Future of C++ and Visual C++ within MS
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Well, could be true of C++ rather than the VC++ dev environment experience. I gather a lot of MS devs don't use Visual Studio for C++ development.
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
I gather a lot of MS devs don't use Visual Studio for C++ development.
A lot don't, but the vast majority do. At one point during the VS 2005 roll out someone from Microsoft admitted this very thing. It begs the question, then, of why C/C++ support sucks so bad in VS 2005. (Okay, okay, I know the answer--idiots in marketing.) I am quite sure the number of .NET developers has soared in the past two years. I'm equally confident that Visual Studio, in general, is still mostly used for C/C++ development. Based on first hand experience, though, Microsoft dropped the ball so badly with VS 2005 and C++, that it's up in the air whether C++ developer make up the majority of that specific version. (For all it's ills, I still push it. The compiler is fantastic and the whistles and bells, however, buggy, make it worthwhile. The CRT, however, desparately needs a code bloat reduction--something that's been true for years.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
I gather a lot of MS devs don't use Visual Studio for C++ development.
A lot don't, but the vast majority do. At one point during the VS 2005 roll out someone from Microsoft admitted this very thing. It begs the question, then, of why C/C++ support sucks so bad in VS 2005. (Okay, okay, I know the answer--idiots in marketing.) I am quite sure the number of .NET developers has soared in the past two years. I'm equally confident that Visual Studio, in general, is still mostly used for C/C++ development. Based on first hand experience, though, Microsoft dropped the ball so badly with VS 2005 and C++, that it's up in the air whether C++ developer make up the majority of that specific version. (For all it's ills, I still push it. The compiler is fantastic and the whistles and bells, however, buggy, make it worthwhile. The CRT, however, desparately needs a code bloat reduction--something that's been true for years.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Joe Woodbury wrote:
The CRT, however, desparately needs a code bloat reduction--something that's been true for years.)
hmmmm decades.... :-D
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
I gather a lot of MS devs don't use Visual Studio for C++ development.
A lot don't, but the vast majority do. At one point during the VS 2005 roll out someone from Microsoft admitted this very thing. It begs the question, then, of why C/C++ support sucks so bad in VS 2005. (Okay, okay, I know the answer--idiots in marketing.) I am quite sure the number of .NET developers has soared in the past two years. I'm equally confident that Visual Studio, in general, is still mostly used for C/C++ development. Based on first hand experience, though, Microsoft dropped the ball so badly with VS 2005 and C++, that it's up in the air whether C++ developer make up the majority of that specific version. (For all it's ills, I still push it. The compiler is fantastic and the whistles and bells, however, buggy, make it worthwhile. The CRT, however, desparately needs a code bloat reduction--something that's been true for years.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Joe Woodbury wrote:
It begs the question, then, of why C/C++ support sucks so bad in VS 2005.
Indeed. So why aren't Microsoft themselves pissed off about it? They must surely find it as painful as everyone else does. (Well, I'm not talking about me because I've only ever done C# and VB in the .NET-era IDEs. Apart from sluggish performance the IDE is otherwise super for them.)
Kevin
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.NET Micro Framework[^] requires 256KB of RAM and 512KB of Flash/ROM. There's no separate kernel on this - .NET Micro Framework is the operating system. I think they cheat though - the code is not JITted but compiled to native code at ROM build time.
Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder
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.NET Micro Framework[^] requires 256KB of RAM and 512KB of Flash/ROM. There's no separate kernel on this - .NET Micro Framework is the operating system. I think they cheat though - the code is not JITted but compiled to native code at ROM build time.
Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder
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C++ is "not yet extinct" at Microsoft. Quite the contrary: "Central to the success of these customers, as well as Microsoft's own internal development, is Visual C++." Hard to believe ... :suss: http://blogs.msdn.com/sripod/archive/2007/06/26/future-of-c-and-visual-c-within-ms-and-elsewhere.aspx[^]
Nice to know I'm not learning a doomed language. Well, at least not doomed YET.
Ravel H. Joyce - Well I say that sticking a balloon to your head IS a scientific experiment!
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Nice to know I'm not learning a doomed language. Well, at least not doomed YET.
Ravel H. Joyce - Well I say that sticking a balloon to your head IS a scientific experiment!
Of course, even if it were doomed it would only be in the MS world that this is the case.
Kevin