London 'Terror Attacks'
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AndyKEnZ wrote:
The problem is with fundamentalism; be it Christian or Islamic.
Yeah, those Christian fundies. Man, when they bombed that.... oh, hmmm. I mean, when they killed all those...uh, hmmm, Uh, yeah all those Christians who want to institute their will and laws... oh, wait.. Gee, maybe you can remind me of the last act of terrorism by Christians? I can't seem to remember it...
AndyKEnZ wrote:
"Confessions of an Economic Hitman"
:laugh::laugh::laugh: Perkins is a turd. He expects me to believe that he took a 500,000 dollar "bribe" to not publish a book that could have made him a millionaire multiple times over IF IT WERE TRUE? Of course he took the bribe - because all that he writes is a FABRICATION. I know it's false because I'm in the industry and I know better than to believe the slop he's offering. What you (and that Matt Faithfull guy) don't seem to understand is that conspiracy stories are just that - conspiracy STORIES. They're all like designed with an agenda. Take Perkins - he makes a lot of money, but nothing ever comes of his allegations. Why? Because they're not true...where are the investigative committees? The judicial hearings? The international outcry? Not there. All lies... I'm surprised at how gullible you are.
AndyKEnZ wrote:
you might just see why there is anger against your rule.
I didn't know I was in charge! Last I checked (and I'm not even American) I wasn't being ruled by any Americans... I really don't get this communist, Islamic fundamentalist apologetics agenda you're pushing here...if you think it's so great and the West is so evil, why don't you move to Iran/North Korea/Venezuela/China, etc... and write a book extolling the great and wonderful virtues of these societies and cultures so that we all may be enlightened! Do it man! Do it! Make great things happen! Viva la revolucion! -- modified at 10:40 Monday 2nd July, 2007
73Zeppelin wrote:
Yeah, those Christian fundies. Man, when they bombed that.... oh, hmmm.
Well, there was that one dude 15 years ago who bombed an abortion clinic (and was later convicted by a jury of Christians, but that's not important).
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Doug Goulden wrote:
You are a fool, what are you missing out on? When was the last time some one oppressed you? I must have missed the reports in the media where the jackbooted thugs were kicking in people's doors and dragging them out in the night.....
Uh, wtf, man? I think we agree... :~
Sorry about that, Its a Monday, I meant to respond to Corrina John. You are a wise man CJ is a fool....;)
Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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Of all the places on earth to try to scare Glasgow has got to be the dumbest. I noticed there was no shortage of passers by who put a boot in. Probably the only reason they put the men out was so they could continue beating ten bells out of them. I guess we're seeing the down side of suicide bombing. It looks like the stock of competant bombers has run a little low. The serious ones must have gone to Afganistan or Iraq. Strangley this was part of the western strategy: If they want to fight better it's on their land. One thing that really bemused me was the use of gas canisters. There is NO WAY that surrounding them with pertrol would cause them to explode. They're built to withstand that. You would have to strap a good amount of explosive to the side of one to get that effect.
Philosophy: The art of never getting beyond the concept of life.
Gas canisters - the other day UK Channel 5 tv news demonstrated (in a quarry) the effect an exploding gas canister could have. Anyhow, I have lost count the number of times that the Fire Brigade instruct residents to leave their houses when a local garage (or whatever) has a fire whenever gas canisters of whatever kind are on the premises. Even if they don't blow-up, they take an awful amount of time to cool to a safe condition, that is if they don't behave like a guided missile.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
Yeah, those Christian fundies. Man, when they bombed that.... oh, hmmm.
Well, there was that one dude 15 years ago who bombed an abortion clinic (and was later convicted by a jury of Christians, but that's not important).
Yeah, but it wasn't "organized resistance" against the West...not like Islamic fundamentalism. On another note, I'm learning alot about behaviour on this message board - specifically that it's full of Islamic fundamentalist and communist apologetics. Amazing really. Their Westernculture is being directly assaulted (with the specific intent to destroy it) and they want to start apologizing for things we have apparently done "wrong". Baffling. Baffling. Basically I've learned that if I want something from someone (especially from Spain) I should punch them for no reason, then make my demands and then force them to apologize to me for the non-reason I punched them! Do you find that behaviour as fascinating as I do?
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Repost. Regards, Me. :rose:
73Zeppelin wrote:
Repost.
I think he got your point about the repost thing.
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Seems almost laughable huh?
Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
So laughable some of us don't believe it.;)
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Yeah, but it wasn't "organized resistance" against the West...not like Islamic fundamentalism. On another note, I'm learning alot about behaviour on this message board - specifically that it's full of Islamic fundamentalist and communist apologetics. Amazing really. Their Westernculture is being directly assaulted (with the specific intent to destroy it) and they want to start apologizing for things we have apparently done "wrong". Baffling. Baffling. Basically I've learned that if I want something from someone (especially from Spain) I should punch them for no reason, then make my demands and then force them to apologize to me for the non-reason I punched them! Do you find that behaviour as fascinating as I do?
73Zeppelin wrote:
Do you find that behaviour as fascinating as I do?
I think self-destruction and self-loathing are leftist traits, though not one that I can understand. It seems to manifest itself in many ways: 1. Environmentalism: It's often suggested that humanity should be subjugated to nature...That humanity' influence (and even population) should be limited. 2. Immigration: Immigrant with cultures specifically different from our own should have preference over those with similar cultures, thus eliminating the predominant culture in the long run. 3. War: Rather than stand up for your country, we should allow others to dictate our politics. If you ask me, I suspect that those feelings come from the fact that leftists reject Natural Law and instead believe that their fundamental rights are derived from society or the state. Somehow, I just think that leads them to believe that they need to completely abandon their personal interests to benefit the state. They don't view themselves as men...But instruments of the collective society. But that's just a guess. I really don't get it.
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Gas canisters - the other day UK Channel 5 tv news demonstrated (in a quarry) the effect an exploding gas canister could have. Anyhow, I have lost count the number of times that the Fire Brigade instruct residents to leave their houses when a local garage (or whatever) has a fire whenever gas canisters of whatever kind are on the premises. Even if they don't blow-up, they take an awful amount of time to cool to a safe condition, that is if they don't behave like a guided missile.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Anyhow, I have lost count the number of times that the Fire Brigade instruct residents to leave their houses when a local garage (or whatever) has a fire whenever gas canisters of whatever kind are on the premises.
That's just a precaution. It's actually extremely rare for a fire to detonate an actual foull exposion.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
that is if they don't behave like a guided missile.
Yes, apart from the guided bit, that's far more likely. Not good either but again very hard to get to happen unless you have an enormous amount of fuel to heat the cylinder over a long period of time.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
they take an awful amount of time to cool to a safe condition
Definatley, I once saw a case where some acetylene bottles had to be hosed for eight hours before anyone could move them. That however, only goes to show how much heat they can take
Philosophy: The art of never getting beyond the concept of life.
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Yeah, but it wasn't "organized resistance" against the West...not like Islamic fundamentalism. On another note, I'm learning alot about behaviour on this message board - specifically that it's full of Islamic fundamentalist and communist apologetics. Amazing really. Their Westernculture is being directly assaulted (with the specific intent to destroy it) and they want to start apologizing for things we have apparently done "wrong". Baffling. Baffling. Basically I've learned that if I want something from someone (especially from Spain) I should punch them for no reason, then make my demands and then force them to apologize to me for the non-reason I punched them! Do you find that behaviour as fascinating as I do?
73Zeppelin wrote:
Westernculture is being directly assaulted
Hurrah you noticed but apparently still can't see through the misdirection and keep blaming Muslims and Communists even when you have to falsely accuse people of being Muslims or Communists to do it. Extraordinary! I wonder if lets say Switzerland suddenly pulled out of the World Bank and the UN and declared the US a rouge state and an enemy whether you would claim the Swiss were all commies or that they'd all converted to Islam. :laugh:
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
Do you find that behaviour as fascinating as I do?
I think self-destruction and self-loathing are leftist traits, though not one that I can understand. It seems to manifest itself in many ways: 1. Environmentalism: It's often suggested that humanity should be subjugated to nature...That humanity' influence (and even population) should be limited. 2. Immigration: Immigrant with cultures specifically different from our own should have preference over those with similar cultures, thus eliminating the predominant culture in the long run. 3. War: Rather than stand up for your country, we should allow others to dictate our politics. If you ask me, I suspect that those feelings come from the fact that leftists reject Natural Law and instead believe that their fundamental rights are derived from society or the state. Somehow, I just think that leads them to believe that they need to completely abandon their personal interests to benefit the state. They don't view themselves as men...But instruments of the collective society. But that's just a guess. I really don't get it.
I am not convinced that self-destruction and/or self-loathing is the exclusive domain of the left. But in terms of population, this planet can only support so many. You can indeed attempt to eliminate hunger throughout this world but if the population continues, with the effect that cities will ever grow, the countrysides just will not be able to furnish us with our daily dietary needs and hunger followed inevitably by death can only be the result. After all, if there are good quantity of antelopes, cheeters will flourish, but if the rains fail, the antelope will not breed, consequently, the cheeters will die from hunger etc. So shouldn't the same kind-of analogy be applied to us humans? In terms of immigration, I like the (misquoted) premise of "when in Rome..."
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73Zeppelin wrote:
Do you find that behaviour as fascinating as I do?
I think self-destruction and self-loathing are leftist traits, though not one that I can understand. It seems to manifest itself in many ways: 1. Environmentalism: It's often suggested that humanity should be subjugated to nature...That humanity' influence (and even population) should be limited. 2. Immigration: Immigrant with cultures specifically different from our own should have preference over those with similar cultures, thus eliminating the predominant culture in the long run. 3. War: Rather than stand up for your country, we should allow others to dictate our politics. If you ask me, I suspect that those feelings come from the fact that leftists reject Natural Law and instead believe that their fundamental rights are derived from society or the state. Somehow, I just think that leads them to believe that they need to completely abandon their personal interests to benefit the state. They don't view themselves as men...But instruments of the collective society. But that's just a guess. I really don't get it.
Red Stateler wrote:
leftist traits
Next time you find yourself enjoying your weekend, find out why weekends came about.
Red Stateler wrote:
3. War: Rather than stand up for your country, we should allow others to dictate our politics.
But you start the wars! Have a listen to "Cops of the World" Paul Ochse (I think) from the early 60s, he puts it rather well and he's one of yours to boot.
Red Stateler wrote:
They don't view themselves as men...But instruments of the collective society. But that's just a guess. I really don't get it.
Instruments no, definitely members of a collective society; but as you've said you really don't get it.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
Westernculture is being directly assaulted
Hurrah you noticed but apparently still can't see through the misdirection and keep blaming Muslims and Communists even when you have to falsely accuse people of being Muslims or Communists to do it. Extraordinary! I wonder if lets say Switzerland suddenly pulled out of the World Bank and the UN and declared the US a rouge state and an enemy whether you would claim the Swiss were all commies or that they'd all converted to Islam. :laugh:
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
I wonder if lets say Switzerland suddenly pulled out of the World Bank and the UN and declared the US a rouge state and an enemy whether you would claim the Swiss were all commies or that they'd all converted to Islam.
Not being commies or Islamic, they wouldn't do that. But if the UN declared the US a rouge state, I'm sure we'd all better start putting rouge on our cheeks before they issued paperwork condemning us. If they considered us a "rogue" state, we'd just sell their headquarters in NYC for a bunch of money and stop funding them. Then we'd put all their ambassadors in prison for ignoring their parking tickets. Then we'd turn our European mind control satellites from the "control" setting to the "cook" setting and watch the fun.
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Red Stateler wrote:
leftist traits
Next time you find yourself enjoying your weekend, find out why weekends came about.
Red Stateler wrote:
3. War: Rather than stand up for your country, we should allow others to dictate our politics.
But you start the wars! Have a listen to "Cops of the World" Paul Ochse (I think) from the early 60s, he puts it rather well and he's one of yours to boot.
Red Stateler wrote:
They don't view themselves as men...But instruments of the collective society. But that's just a guess. I really don't get it.
Instruments no, definitely members of a collective society; but as you've said you really don't get it.
AndyKEnZ wrote:
Next time you find yourself enjoying your weekend, find out why weekends came about.
In America they exist because private companies allow them to. America isn't so pathetic that we need the government to regulate such trivialities.
AndyKEnZ wrote:
But you start the wars! Have a listen to "Cops of the World" Paul Ochse (I think) from the early 60s, he puts it rather well and he's one of yours to boot.
Hmmmmm...If I recall, Islamic fundamentalists did on 9/11. But your apologetic self-destructionism won't allow you to admit that. Somehow it has to be our fault. You'll twist and turn every fact and lie to yourself as much possible to come to that conclusion.
AndyKEnZ wrote:
Instruments no, definitely members of a collective society; but as you've said you really don't get it.
I said I don't understand the reasons...As in the psychology behind them. Collectivism certainly does view individuals as instruments of the state. There's no denying that. I'm just not sure if your self-destructive attitude is derived from that fact.
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AndyKEnZ wrote:
The problem is with fundamentalism; be it Christian or Islamic.
Yeah, those Christian fundies. Man, when they bombed that.... oh, hmmm. I mean, when they killed all those...uh, hmmm, Uh, yeah all those Christians who want to institute their will and laws... oh, wait.. Gee, maybe you can remind me of the last act of terrorism by Christians? I can't seem to remember it...
AndyKEnZ wrote:
"Confessions of an Economic Hitman"
:laugh::laugh::laugh: Perkins is a turd. He expects me to believe that he took a 500,000 dollar "bribe" to not publish a book that could have made him a millionaire multiple times over IF IT WERE TRUE? Of course he took the bribe - because all that he writes is a FABRICATION. I know it's false because I'm in the industry and I know better than to believe the slop he's offering. What you (and that Matt Faithfull guy) don't seem to understand is that conspiracy stories are just that - conspiracy STORIES. They're all like designed with an agenda. Take Perkins - he makes a lot of money, but nothing ever comes of his allegations. Why? Because they're not true...where are the investigative committees? The judicial hearings? The international outcry? Not there. All lies... I'm surprised at how gullible you are.
AndyKEnZ wrote:
you might just see why there is anger against your rule.
I didn't know I was in charge! Last I checked (and I'm not even American) I wasn't being ruled by any Americans... I really don't get this communist, Islamic fundamentalist apologetics agenda you're pushing here...if you think it's so great and the West is so evil, why don't you move to Iran/North Korea/Venezuela/China, etc... and write a book extolling the great and wonderful virtues of these societies and cultures so that we all may be enlightened! Do it man! Do it! Make great things happen! Viva la revolucion! -- modified at 10:40 Monday 2nd July, 2007
73Zeppelin wrote:
Perkins is a turd.
So he never was an economic hitman then? Sounds like he knows a fair bit about the game. I doubt whether he's made 500k from his book, but he has got his message across which was probably more important to him personally.
73Zeppelin wrote:
Take Perkins - he makes a lot of money, but nothing ever comes of his allegations. Why?
i doubt whther he's made a lot of money with this book and also because in the world of corporate press he and his book do not exist, I'm surprised you've heard of him at all and would appreciate any constructive factual criticism of his book.
73Zeppelin wrote:
is that conspiracy stories are just that - conspiracy STORIES.
Shall we start a DUMB thread? Deep Underground Military Bases? Or is that conspiracy theory too? Come on dood the toppling of Allende in Chile by the CIA was labelled a conspiracy theory in the day, now you can read all about on the CIA website!
73Zeppelin wrote:
I really don't get this communist, Islamic fundamentalist apologetics agenda you're pushing here...if you think it's so great and the West is so evil, why don't you move to Iran/North Korea/Venezuela/China, etc... and write a book extolling the great and wonderful virtues of these societies and cultures so that we all may be enlightened!
Maybe you're reading too fast and missing things. Try reading and moving your mouth at the same time, you'll look stupid but perhaps it'll stop you attributing opinions that I have not expressed.
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
I wonder if lets say Switzerland suddenly pulled out of the World Bank and the UN and declared the US a rouge state and an enemy whether you would claim the Swiss were all commies or that they'd all converted to Islam.
Not being commies or Islamic, they wouldn't do that. But if the UN declared the US a rouge state, I'm sure we'd all better start putting rouge on our cheeks before they issued paperwork condemning us. If they considered us a "rogue" state, we'd just sell their headquarters in NYC for a bunch of money and stop funding them. Then we'd put all their ambassadors in prison for ignoring their parking tickets. Then we'd turn our European mind control satellites from the "control" setting to the "cook" setting and watch the fun.
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So in the past few days, there have been 3 attempted 'terror strikes' in the UK. Two failed carbombs and one distinctly ineffectual flaming car driven at Glasgow airport. Note that the UK Government refers to these as 'foiled attacks' rather than 'failed attacks'. The vowel change is apparently significant, even though security services intervention had nothing to do with the fact that the devices didn't explode. The two carbombs were abject failures, namely down to their inability to fulfill their raison d'etre as a bomb, that being to explode. One of the cars wasn't even anywhere near its intended target - it was parked illegally, so had been towed to an impound. The car on fire left just one person injured - the driver of the vehicle who, on attempting to fuel the blaze with a can of petrol, managed to set his own trousers on fire. The whole thing wouldn't have looked out of place with Benny Hill music playing in the background. In the 80s, the IRA were carrying out a reign of terror marked by carbombs set off with devastating regularity. In the 00s, it seems we are under seige from a battalion of completely retarded incompetents. How many complete failures to make working explosive devices have we had now? If the IRA could do it every single time, how hard can it be, exactly? Without wishing any offence to those who have had friends or family injured or killed in terrorist attacks, is the reaction of government really proportional to the risk to the public that is demonstrated by these failures to kill? Terrorism? I'm not terrified, I'm frankly embarrassed.
Craster wrote:
In the 80s, the IRA were carrying out a reign of terror marked by carbombs set off with devastating regularity. In the 00s, it seems we are under siege from a battalion of completely retarded incompetents.
Todays MI5 agents need to learn a lot. Too much knowhow has been lost in the last 20 years. And now young, inexperienced secret servicers are sent out to provide reasons to the neoliberals/neocons reigning caste to take away our civil rights. They are only able to set their trousers on fire. No one would ever believe there is something like a Al-Quaida attack going on. Fanatics have their pride, as you won't get 17 virgins just for dying from burning trousers. Thank you for listening to my conspiration theory.
Failure is not an option - it's built right in.
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Craster wrote:
In the 80s, the IRA were carrying out a reign of terror marked by carbombs set off with devastating regularity. In the 00s, it seems we are under siege from a battalion of completely retarded incompetents.
Todays MI5 agents need to learn a lot. Too much knowhow has been lost in the last 20 years. And now young, inexperienced secret servicers are sent out to provide reasons to the neoliberals/neocons reigning caste to take away our civil rights. They are only able to set their trousers on fire. No one would ever believe there is something like a Al-Quaida attack going on. Fanatics have their pride, as you won't get 17 virgins just for dying from burning trousers. Thank you for listening to my conspiration theory.
Failure is not an option - it's built right in.
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So in the past few days, there have been 3 attempted 'terror strikes' in the UK. Two failed carbombs and one distinctly ineffectual flaming car driven at Glasgow airport. Note that the UK Government refers to these as 'foiled attacks' rather than 'failed attacks'. The vowel change is apparently significant, even though security services intervention had nothing to do with the fact that the devices didn't explode. The two carbombs were abject failures, namely down to their inability to fulfill their raison d'etre as a bomb, that being to explode. One of the cars wasn't even anywhere near its intended target - it was parked illegally, so had been towed to an impound. The car on fire left just one person injured - the driver of the vehicle who, on attempting to fuel the blaze with a can of petrol, managed to set his own trousers on fire. The whole thing wouldn't have looked out of place with Benny Hill music playing in the background. In the 80s, the IRA were carrying out a reign of terror marked by carbombs set off with devastating regularity. In the 00s, it seems we are under seige from a battalion of completely retarded incompetents. How many complete failures to make working explosive devices have we had now? If the IRA could do it every single time, how hard can it be, exactly? Without wishing any offence to those who have had friends or family injured or killed in terrorist attacks, is the reaction of government really proportional to the risk to the public that is demonstrated by these failures to kill? Terrorism? I'm not terrified, I'm frankly embarrassed.
It could be also a proof that anti-terrorist police actions are efficient enough to block bombing needing some organization.
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
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That's the silliest thing I've ever heard :laugh:
Philosophy: The art of never getting beyond the concept of life.
Seeing to what extend the fanatics (Muslim and Christian) succeeded to turn our liberal western democracies into oppressive dictatorships, I really believe the leaders (like our local minister for domestic affair Mr. Schäuble) pray for more attacks. I the UK, as I have heard, you already can't have a pub license without a camera scanning all customers using face recognition. That is exactly Orwells '1984'.
Failure is not an option - it's built right in.