Another irrefutable argument for creation
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jason_lakewhitney wrote:
- Lung cancer- can be caused by no outside influence such as smoking but by the curse on Man brought about by Adam. -this section would be for people that have not accepted Christ
Sorry to intrude on your fun here. I usually just read thru the Soapbox & move on, but could you explain this? So if I'm not christian, a non smoker & generally nice guy, and I happen to get lung cancer, it's because some guy who may or may not be real decided to eat some fruit thousands of years ago?
Let me answer your question like this: If you are not a Christian, a non smoker, and generally a nice guy, you can still get cancer. Sounds wrong doesn't it. Man was made prefect and was not meant to be sick. God gave Man a freewill with a Blessing and only one rule was laid out for him, not to eat of the fruit. At that time Man was higher than the Devil and his mob, but after Man disobeyed God he fell under the Devil, by that Man cursed himself. That is to say, God gave the instruction and what the effect of not following the instruction would be. So look at the umbrella, as long as Man followed the instruction Man was under God's umbrella. When Man stepped out from underneath that umbrella, Man was fair game to result.
lintybits wrote:
who may or may not be real
I understand what you are saying here. IMO, from the experiences in my life and the fact that I have tried to disprove the Bible in my life. I have found it true and that it works as it says it does. Think of this though: What was Mona Lisa thinking while she was sitting there? How do you know that there is not life on another planet? Have you ever lost a loved one like a parent or grandparent? -Prove that you loved them. There are somethings that you have to take on faith.
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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Let me answer your question like this: If you are not a Christian, a non smoker, and generally a nice guy, you can still get cancer. Sounds wrong doesn't it. Man was made prefect and was not meant to be sick. God gave Man a freewill with a Blessing and only one rule was laid out for him, not to eat of the fruit. At that time Man was higher than the Devil and his mob, but after Man disobeyed God he fell under the Devil, by that Man cursed himself. That is to say, God gave the instruction and what the effect of not following the instruction would be. So look at the umbrella, as long as Man followed the instruction Man was under God's umbrella. When Man stepped out from underneath that umbrella, Man was fair game to result.
lintybits wrote:
who may or may not be real
I understand what you are saying here. IMO, from the experiences in my life and the fact that I have tried to disprove the Bible in my life. I have found it true and that it works as it says it does. Think of this though: What was Mona Lisa thinking while she was sitting there? How do you know that there is not life on another planet? Have you ever lost a loved one like a parent or grandparent? -Prove that you loved them. There are somethings that you have to take on faith.
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
You have faith that there is not life on another planet? Based on the drake equation the probability of there being more than one planet with intelligent life in the milky way is almost 1, not to mention all the other billions of galaxies...
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
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Did you get your laptop open?
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lintybits wrote:
some guy
Not just "some guy" but God's original human creation. Your great-great-[ad infinitum]-grand father.
lintybits wrote:
who may or may not be real
Oh he's real - otherwise you wouldn't be here. :doh:
lintybits wrote:
decided to
No, he was tricked into it by a demonic snake and a naked broad.
lintybits wrote:
some fruit
Not just "some fruit" but a sacred apple forbidden by the big guy himself. Geeeesh! Why is this so hard for people to accept!? :rolleyes:
Mike Mullikin wrote:
he was tricked
Eve was deceived, Adam was n
Mike Mullikin wrote:
sacred apple
ot. Where does it say that it was an apple?
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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You have faith that there is not life on another planet? Based on the drake equation the probability of there being more than one planet with intelligent life in the milky way is almost 1, not to mention all the other billions of galaxies...
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
Being completely unfamiliar with the "Drake Equation[^]", I looked into it on Wikipedia. It took me all of 3 seconds looking at the equation to know that it's a pile of BS. It's a string of unknown and unverifiable (through current means) numbers multiplied together to get a number (not a probability) of planets with intelligent life. Michael Chriton's quote at the bottom of the page seems about right to me: "Speaking precisely, the Drake equation is literally meaningless, and has nothing to do with science. I take the hard view that science involves the creation of testable hypotheses. The Drake equation cannot be tested and therefore SETI is not science. SETI is unquestionably a religion."
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
he was tricked
Eve was deceived, Adam was n
Mike Mullikin wrote:
sacred apple
ot. Where does it say that it was an apple?
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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You have faith that there is not life on another planet? Based on the drake equation the probability of there being more than one planet with intelligent life in the milky way is almost 1, not to mention all the other billions of galaxies...
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
string name = "" wrote:
You have faith that there is not life on another planet?
I did not state a comment in either direction.
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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jason_lakewhitney wrote:
Where does it say that it was an apple?
Where does it say it wasn't? Isn't there a famous biblical painting that shows it as an apple?
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Where does it say it wasn't?
Where does it say it was?
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Isn't there a famous biblical painting that shows it as an apple?
What painting?
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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At Pentacost the demons were bound. The spirit of truth was poured out amongst all flesh. We only suffer our own actions and the side effects of a poisoned world.
This statement was never false.
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
At Pentacost the demons were bound. The spirit of truth was poured out amongst all flesh.
Yes and no. After accepting Christ into your life and being filled with the spirit of truth, you then have the authority to bound demons.
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
We only suffer our own actions and the side effects of a poisoned world.
That is pretty much what I had stated.
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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Being completely unfamiliar with the "Drake Equation[^]", I looked into it on Wikipedia. It took me all of 3 seconds looking at the equation to know that it's a pile of BS. It's a string of unknown and unverifiable (through current means) numbers multiplied together to get a number (not a probability) of planets with intelligent life. Michael Chriton's quote at the bottom of the page seems about right to me: "Speaking precisely, the Drake equation is literally meaningless, and has nothing to do with science. I take the hard view that science involves the creation of testable hypotheses. The Drake equation cannot be tested and therefore SETI is not science. SETI is unquestionably a religion."
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string name = "" wrote:
You have faith that there is not life on another planet?
I did not state a comment in either direction.
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
I have often wondered how would you react, being a christian, if microbial life was discovered on Mars or Europa, or if a planet was discovered around another star that had life? Wouldn't that discount the Genesis creation story?
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
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Chris-Kaiser wrote:
At Pentacost the demons were bound. The spirit of truth was poured out amongst all flesh.
Yes and no. After accepting Christ into your life and being filled with the spirit of truth, you then have the authority to bound demons.
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
We only suffer our own actions and the side effects of a poisoned world.
That is pretty much what I had stated.
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
Where is it written in the bible that if you are not saved then demons can blight you? What you are saying with regard to demons, if you are not saved, is nowhere to be found in the bible. This is all hyperbole.
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You have all the answers don't you.
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
No, but I have a good nose for BS.
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I have often wondered how would you react, being a christian, if microbial life was discovered on Mars or Europa, or if a planet was discovered around another star that had life? Wouldn't that discount the Genesis creation story?
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
The Garden of Eden has to be somewhere, doesn't it?
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I have often wondered how would you react, being a christian, if microbial life was discovered on Mars or Europa, or if a planet was discovered around another star that had life? Wouldn't that discount the Genesis creation story?
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
string name = "" wrote:
I have often wondered how would you react
Why are you wondering about me?
string name = "" wrote:
Wouldn't that discount the Genesis creation story?
How would it discount the Genesis story?
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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Where is it written in the bible that if you are not saved then demons can blight you? What you are saying with regard to demons, if you are not saved, is nowhere to be found in the bible. This is all hyperbole.
Before I answer please clarify:
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
blight
Do you mean attack?
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
What you are saying with regard to demons, if you are not saved, is nowhere to be found in the bible.
What is the question?
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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This is about the most ignorant argument for creationism that I have seen yet. http://www.demonbuster.com/id.html From the site: Evolution theory (with no scientific proof) - in recent times, man has been arguing about where HUMANS/LIFE came from. But no one is asking - WHO put the world here? WHERE did mountains come from? WHERE did the oceans come from? WHERE did the sun and moon and other planets come from? WHO put all this stuff there? Seems like these questions override where humans/life came from, and gives the real answer - a Higher Power - Intelligent Design - God!
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
As long as we're posting random inflammatory quotes from religious nuts. "Idiots, the lame, the blind, the dumb, are men in whom the devils have established themselves: and all the physicians who heal these infirmities, as though they proceeded from natural causes, are ignorant blockheads…." - Martin Luther The more things change...
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
Where does it say it wasn't?
Where does it say it was?
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Isn't there a famous biblical painting that shows it as an apple?
What painting?
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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Before I answer please clarify:
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
blight
Do you mean attack?
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
What you are saying with regard to demons, if you are not saved, is nowhere to be found in the bible.
What is the question?
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
Well, if I must. But a cursory lookup of Blight should have been enough. A blight is akin to cancer. You had specifically mentioned cancer. That you could get cancer from demon actions against you. I call bullshit. This is a fallacious interpretation of scripture. And that's all it can be is an interpretation. I am asking you directly what verses of scripture that you draw your conclusions from. The mind of man is unassailable by demons both through the spirit of truth that poured out on Pentacost and by the fact that Jesus quenched the rebellion through his incarnation. He bound them. He conquered. So, quote me some scripture. This is something that always bugs me, alot of fellow Christians, including many pastors, read more into scripture than what's there.
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string name = "" wrote:
I have often wondered how would you react
Why are you wondering about me?
string name = "" wrote:
Wouldn't that discount the Genesis creation story?
How would it discount the Genesis story?
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going