Job Interviews...
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I would tend to talk about money towards the end, they won't know what you are worth before then anyhow.
Rocky Moore wrote:
I find it funny that developers go to the job market more of a "hope" you get hired than a "I have this skill that I know could help your company's bottom line".
Yeah, I kind of agree. I always maintain tho, I know I am good at what I do, but I don't know who else they interviewed, so I can't ever say that I was the best candidate, or that I should expect to get hired.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
I wonder if anyone would adjust thier rate if they knew the employer was an H1B sponser? Some job ad services post if the employer is an H1B sponser.
MrPlankton
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John posted a few threads down about the math question he was asked at a recent interview. There are already so many different hoops they expect people to jump through in an interview that the games just seem to go on and on.. Now, you flip the issue, what about information you get to ask them? Most people will tell you not to talk about money up front, but why should you waste your time interviewing for a position that will not pay even close to your needs? I personally would find someone asking about pay at the very beginning more repsonsible since they clearly do not want to waste time. But most will say that is a taboo.. I find it funny that developers go to the job market more of a "hope" you get hired than a "I have this skill that I know could help your company's bottom line". Is there something wrong with knowing you are good and your skill and that they are "lucky" to have your working for them. Not saying you should have an ego bigger than you are, but that you are a business person looking to make a business deal with another business, not begging and hoping they bless you with the opportunity to build "their" business. Maybe I am just old and set in my ways, but what do all of you think?
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What about the employer asking you what you are currently on and just better that with 15% is that a good deal ? And if they ask Are you obliged to tell them. I think thats how they like doing it nowadays or Maybe its only in my region SA . Even Agencies negotiate on your behalf using the same formula sometimes X| How do you measure if you getting ripped off Based on experience and qualifications :^)
Java is life -- Myself
I was taught a few techniques from recruiters for negotiating a salary, and they have never failed me. 1) The first person to name a price loses in the negotiation process. 2) There are more things to compensation than just salary. Sure you may be able to get a 15% increase by going to the new company, but say, their range is as high as 30% higher than your current salary, and your skill set and qualifications match you perfectly with what they are looking for. Wouldn't you rather have the 30%? The way to do this, is when they ask you how much you are looking for, you answer their question with a question. Say, "Before I can answer that, I would like a little more information from you. There are more parts to compensation than salary". You ask how much of a fit they feel that you are for the position. You ask about the other things you are interested in, like flexible schedule, work environment etc. Finally you say you assume they have a range of what they are willing to pay this position. You ask what that range is, even if they don't tell you, you can say, well you said I matched all of your criteria and you think I would be a great fit, so I think close to the top number in your range would be fair. I have done this a few times since I learned it, and it gets easier and easier each time. And it has worked for me and most other people that I have suggested it to. The key is justifying your worth. And if the company doesn't want to pay a high salary, maybe you can negotiate other things that don't cost them money, but would be of value to you.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I can even demonstrate that I can do work that I personally don't care for.
With the development world out there so hot right now, why would you want to work on things you do not care about? I think most of us have built software that was flat out boring or we were locked into a legacy technology bubble, but there appear to be many opportunities out there. If you do not like .NET why would you want to develop for it?
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
a fighter pilot
Now there is one I would like to be able to do :)
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Rocky Moore wrote:
With the development world out there so hot right now, why would you want to work on things you do not care about?
To pay for a roof over your head, to provide (or help provide in two income households) for your family. In other words, survival. In smaller markets, you often have to take what you can get because of limited opportunities. Of course, another option in that kind of situation is to relocate. Of course, that is a decision where the factors can vary widely from individual to individual.
Andrew C. Eisenberg Nashville, TN, USA (a.k.a. Music City USA) (Yes Virginia, there are rock and roll stations in Nashville! :laugh:)
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Rocky Moore wrote:
With the development world out there so hot right now, why would you want to work on things you do not care about?
To pay for a roof over your head, to provide (or help provide in two income households) for your family. In other words, survival. In smaller markets, you often have to take what you can get because of limited opportunities. Of course, another option in that kind of situation is to relocate. Of course, that is a decision where the factors can vary widely from individual to individual.
Andrew C. Eisenberg Nashville, TN, USA (a.k.a. Music City USA) (Yes Virginia, there are rock and roll stations in Nashville! :laugh:)
Andrew Eisenberg wrote:
Of course, another option in that kind of situation is to relocate.
The only bad part about the relocation is the funds it takes! I just relocated to SW Florida and I can tell you that had the company I currently work for NOT paid my relo, I wouldn't be here. Relocation is UNBELIEVABLY expensive!!
JamminJimE Microsoft Certified Application Developer
Why are we still calling it Common Sense when it's just not that common?