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    Jerry Hammond
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    Must have strong knowledge of the following: -Microsoft Windows Operating Systems from 98 to Vista -Microsoft Office Suites especially Outlook -Windows security model, including NTFS file system, User Rights, Services, and Active Directory objects -Configure and manage corporate MS server systems (Exchange, Active Directory, DNS/DHCP, print servers, system imaging, etc.) -Anti-Virus / Anti-spam / Anti-Spy ware services -Symantec Ghost is a must They have got to be kidding!

    "We are all repositories for genetically-encoded information that we're all spreading back and forth amongst each other, all the time. We're just lousy with information." - Neal Stephenson

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      Must have strong knowledge of the following: -Microsoft Windows Operating Systems from 98 to Vista -Microsoft Office Suites especially Outlook -Windows security model, including NTFS file system, User Rights, Services, and Active Directory objects -Configure and manage corporate MS server systems (Exchange, Active Directory, DNS/DHCP, print servers, system imaging, etc.) -Anti-Virus / Anti-spam / Anti-Spy ware services -Symantec Ghost is a must They have got to be kidding!

      "We are all repositories for genetically-encoded information that we're all spreading back and forth amongst each other, all the time. We're just lousy with information." - Neal Stephenson

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      Nish Nishant
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      Jerry Hammond wrote:

      They have got to be kidding!

      Depends on where the job's located. That comes to about 45K USD which would be a princely salary in Trivandrum, India where a 3 bed condo in the middle of the city would cost about 60K USD.

      Regards, Nish


      Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
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        Must have strong knowledge of the following: -Microsoft Windows Operating Systems from 98 to Vista -Microsoft Office Suites especially Outlook -Windows security model, including NTFS file system, User Rights, Services, and Active Directory objects -Configure and manage corporate MS server systems (Exchange, Active Directory, DNS/DHCP, print servers, system imaging, etc.) -Anti-Virus / Anti-spam / Anti-Spy ware services -Symantec Ghost is a must They have got to be kidding!

        "We are all repositories for genetically-encoded information that we're all spreading back and forth amongst each other, all the time. We're just lousy with information." - Neal Stephenson

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        Paul Conrad
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        All that for $20/hr, I don't think so.

        "The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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          Jerry Hammond wrote:

          They have got to be kidding!

          Depends on where the job's located. That comes to about 45K USD which would be a princely salary in Trivandrum, India where a 3 bed condo in the middle of the city would cost about 60K USD.

          Regards, Nish


          Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
          My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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          Now Nish, I said 'bucks', American slang representing a "U.S." dollar. Edit: To be sure, and knowing some will think me myopic, I'm really not concerned nor aware of the pay rates in India.

          "We are all repositories for genetically-encoded information that we're all spreading back and forth amongst each other, all the time. We're just lousy with information." - Neal Stephenson

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            Now Nish, I said 'bucks', American slang representing a "U.S." dollar. Edit: To be sure, and knowing some will think me myopic, I'm really not concerned nor aware of the pay rates in India.

            "We are all repositories for genetically-encoded information that we're all spreading back and forth amongst each other, all the time. We're just lousy with information." - Neal Stephenson

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            Nish Nishant
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            Jerry Hammond wrote:

            Now Nish, I said 'bucks', American slang representing a "U.S." dollar.

            Yeah, my calculations were in bucks too. USD 20/hr * 8 hours a day * 23 days a month * 12 months an year = US$ 44, 160. All the figures in my previous post were in USD.

            Regards, Nish


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              All that for $20/hr, I don't think so.

              "The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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              Nish Nishant
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              Paul Conrad wrote:

              All that for $20/hr, I don't think so.

              As I replied to Jerry, it depends on where the job's located. If it is a remote contract job and the candidate lives in Trivandrum, India - that'd be an extremely good sum of money.

              Regards, Nish


              Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
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                Jerry Hammond wrote:

                Now Nish, I said 'bucks', American slang representing a "U.S." dollar.

                Yeah, my calculations were in bucks too. USD 20/hr * 8 hours a day * 23 days a month * 12 months an year = US$ 44, 160. All the figures in my previous post were in USD.

                Regards, Nish


                Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
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                Duh... Had I meant the pay scale in India I would have said Rupee.

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                  Paul Conrad wrote:

                  All that for $20/hr, I don't think so.

                  As I replied to Jerry, it depends on where the job's located. If it is a remote contract job and the candidate lives in Trivandrum, India - that'd be an extremely good sum of money.

                  Regards, Nish


                  Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                  My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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                  Nish, Some H1-B pee on your Sunday morning pancakes?

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                    Paul Conrad wrote:

                    All that for $20/hr, I don't think so.

                    As I replied to Jerry, it depends on where the job's located. If it is a remote contract job and the candidate lives in Trivandrum, India - that'd be an extremely good sum of money.

                    Regards, Nish


                    Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                    My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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                    Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                    If it is a remote contract job and the candidate lives in Trivandrum, India

                    Ditto SE Asia. :-D

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                      Duh... Had I meant the pay scale in India I would have said Rupee.

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                      Nish Nishant
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                      Jerry Hammond wrote:

                      Had I meant the pay scale in India I would have said Rupee.

                      Well, I should have made this clear in my first post - but a lot of Indian salaries are now mentioned in USD :-) Anyway, I got your point - you were talking about a job for a US location. But I was pointing out a corollary that the job could be easily given to a contract developer located in Trivandrum (my home town in India).

                      Regards, Nish


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                        Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                        If it is a remote contract job and the candidate lives in Trivandrum, India

                        Ditto SE Asia. :-D

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                        Nish Nishant
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                        JimmyRopes wrote:

                        Ditto SE Asia.

                        Yeah, but I am biased towards Trivandrum :-)

                        Regards, Nish


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                          Nish, Some H1-B pee on your Sunday morning pancakes?

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                          Nish Nishant
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                          Jerry Hammond wrote:

                          Some H1-B pee on your Sunday morning pancakes?

                          I don't see why you need to be all sore about this, Jerry.

                          Regards, Nish


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                            Paul Conrad wrote:

                            All that for $20/hr, I don't think so.

                            As I replied to Jerry, it depends on where the job's located. If it is a remote contract job and the candidate lives in Trivandrum, India - that'd be an extremely good sum of money.

                            Regards, Nish


                            Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                            My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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                            Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                            As I replied to Jerry, it depends on where the job's located. If it is a remote contract job and the candidate lives in Trivandrum, India - that'd be an extremely good sum of money.

                            It isn't and you should not promte it as such. Pardon the two-reply to your post.

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                              Paul Conrad wrote:

                              All that for $20/hr, I don't think so.

                              As I replied to Jerry, it depends on where the job's located. If it is a remote contract job and the candidate lives in Trivandrum, India - that'd be an extremely good sum of money.

                              Regards, Nish


                              Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                              My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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                              It can be, just as in the location perspective that you put it. However, here in southern California it would only be good for someone who is in their junior/senior year in college, but not for a degreed (or multi-degreed) professional with 10+ years of experience.

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                                Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                                As I replied to Jerry, it depends on where the job's located. If it is a remote contract job and the candidate lives in Trivandrum, India - that'd be an extremely good sum of money.

                                It isn't and you should not promte it as such. Pardon the two-reply to your post.

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                                Nish Nishant
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                                Jerry Hammond wrote:

                                It isn't and you should not promte it as such.

                                I wouldn't have - but it wasn't 100% obvious from your first post that the job was for a US-specific location. "Buck" is now universally used and is not really restricted to the US$. In addition, international salaries are also quite frequently expressed in US$.

                                Regards, Nish


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                                  Jerry Hammond wrote:

                                  Some H1-B pee on your Sunday morning pancakes?

                                  I don't see why you need to be all sore about this, Jerry.

                                  Regards, Nish


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                                  Ok... Not sore, per se, but I think it a shame that someone tries to justify a low ball salary and their reasoning is someone else is stupid/pathetic/desperate enough to accept it.

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                                    Ok... Not sore, per se, but I think it a shame that someone tries to justify a low ball salary and their reasoning is someone else is stupid/pathetic/desperate enough to accept it.

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                                    Nish Nishant
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                                    Jerry Hammond wrote:

                                    Not sore, per se, but I think it a shame that someone tries to justify a low ball salary and their reasoning is someone else is stupid/pathetic/desperate enough to accept it.

                                    How is it stupid/pathetic/desperate to accept a salary that's 4 times the industry average in your home-town?

                                    Regards, Nish


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                                      It can be, just as in the location perspective that you put it. However, here in southern California it would only be good for someone who is in their junior/senior year in college, but not for a degreed (or multi-degreed) professional with 10+ years of experience.

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                                      Nish Nishant
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                                      Paul Conrad wrote:

                                      It can be, just as in the location perspective that you put it. However, here in southern California it would only be good for someone who is in their junior/senior year in college, but not for a degreed (or multi-degreed) professional with 10+ years of experience.

                                      Yep, I totally agree that it would be an awful salary for anyone living in the States (not just California).

                                      Regards, Nish


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                                        Ok... Not sore, per se, but I think it a shame that someone tries to justify a low ball salary and their reasoning is someone else is stupid/pathetic/desperate enough to accept it.

                                        "We are all repositories for genetically-encoded information that we're all spreading back and forth amongst each other, all the time. We're just lousy with information." - Neal Stephenson

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                                        Nish Nishant
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                                        Jerry Hammond wrote:

                                        Ok...

                                        By the way, damn you Jerry. You've put me off pan-cakes for a few weeks at least now with all that piss mentioning! :rolleyes:

                                        Regards, Nish


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                                          Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                                          As I replied to Jerry, it depends on where the job's located. If it is a remote contract job and the candidate lives in Trivandrum, India - that'd be an extremely good sum of money.

                                          It isn't and you should not promte it as such. Pardon the two-reply to your post.

                                          "We are all repositories for genetically-encoded information that we're all spreading back and forth amongst each other, all the time. We're just lousy with information." - Neal Stephenson

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                                          Jerry Hammond wrote:

                                          you should not promte it

                                          Where is this particular job located? That could air out this discussion a bit...

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