Do u believe in god?
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Martin `Lucanus cervus` wrote: As there are pubs all around the university I don't know in what condition I'll report in, of course WEll.. I'm kinda known as the IrishCP Alcoholic around here. You can take my throne if you want!!! :-D
"When a friend hurts us, we should write it down in the sand, where the winds of forgiveness get in charge of erasing it away, and when something great happens, we should engrave it in the stone of the memory of the heart, where no wind can erase it" Nish on life [methinks]
Great pic in your bio!!;) "Situation normal - all fu***d up" Illuminatus!
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Suggestion: The bible’s claim of it’s relation to a god is either false, or some or all of its accounts of god are false. Argument in favor of the above suggestion: Take the concept of revenge and forgiveness. These are both related as a result of a common source (reaction to being apparently violated). However it is not hard to see that forgiveness is not a modification of revenge, but an absolute correction (depending on wither you’re a Christian and consequently prefer forgiveness). If this is the case, then the claim that god is absolutely perfect has to be false. From this result one can only come to a conclusion of the above suggestion.
To answer the simple question, no I don't believe in god/God and haven't for most of my life. My oldest friend is Catholic, his wife became an Anglican Priest a few years ago - divorce is looming after 18 years of happy marriage mainly on religous issues , which only reinforces my own belief that all religion is devisive.:( Believe what you want, just don't force it down others throats and maybe we will all get on a bit better in the world!:rose: JohnJ http://www.rainbow-innov.co.uk
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Suggestion: The bible’s claim of it’s relation to a god is either false, or some or all of its accounts of god are false. Argument in favor of the above suggestion: Take the concept of revenge and forgiveness. These are both related as a result of a common source (reaction to being apparently violated). However it is not hard to see that forgiveness is not a modification of revenge, but an absolute correction (depending on wither you’re a Christian and consequently prefer forgiveness). If this is the case, then the claim that god is absolutely perfect has to be false. From this result one can only come to a conclusion of the above suggestion.
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Suggestion: The bible’s claim of it’s relation to a god is either false, or some or all of its accounts of god are false. Argument in favor of the above suggestion: Take the concept of revenge and forgiveness. These are both related as a result of a common source (reaction to being apparently violated). However it is not hard to see that forgiveness is not a modification of revenge, but an absolute correction (depending on wither you’re a Christian and consequently prefer forgiveness). If this is the case, then the claim that god is absolutely perfect has to be false. From this result one can only come to a conclusion of the above suggestion.
Yes I believe... but I don´t think that people needs to believe in a vengefull god or sins to be better persons. Mauricio Ritter - Brazil Sonorking now: 100.13560 Trank :beer: The alcohol is one of the greatest enemys of man, but a man who flee from his enemys is a coward. :beer:
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Colin Davies wrote: Yes, it seems logical to me. God seems logical to you, or Edd's suggestion seems logical, Colin? Simon I need your clothes, your boots, and your copy of VS.NET. Sonork ID 100.10024 Current Addiction : Colin Mcrae Rally 2.0
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Colin Davies wrote: Yes, it seems logical to me. God seems logical to you, or Edd's suggestion seems logical, Colin? Simon I need your clothes, your boots, and your copy of VS.NET. Sonork ID 100.10024 Current Addiction : Colin Mcrae Rally 2.0
Simon Walton wrote: God seems logical Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
More about me :-)
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Suggestion: The bible’s claim of it’s relation to a god is either false, or some or all of its accounts of god are false. Argument in favor of the above suggestion: Take the concept of revenge and forgiveness. These are both related as a result of a common source (reaction to being apparently violated). However it is not hard to see that forgiveness is not a modification of revenge, but an absolute correction (depending on wither you’re a Christian and consequently prefer forgiveness). If this is the case, then the claim that god is absolutely perfect has to be false. From this result one can only come to a conclusion of the above suggestion.
Edd wrote: Do u believe in god? If you mean do I believe in a super-human divine being, then no I do not. However, if you mean do I believe there is someone out there watching over me, then yes I do - I know this for a fact 'cause I tied the VAT man up and nailed the bugger to my ceiling... I don't hear him his asking to see my damned receipts now! ____________________ David Wulff hu·mour Pronunciation Key (hymr) n. & v. Chiefly British Dave's Code Project Screensaver and Wallpaper page.
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The problem is, people who stop believing in god, start believing everything. --------- What has the bible to do with god? As much as "ferrari news" has to do with my car.
The earth is not dying. It is being killed.
The problem is, people who stop believing in god, start believing everything. I don't understand how you came to that conclusion. What I really thought you were going to write was "The problem is, people who stop believing in god, stop believing everything." i.e. Atheists are more skeptical of claims which don't have tangible, solid proof. (Either way, I disagree with both statements.)
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Suggestion: The bible’s claim of it’s relation to a god is either false, or some or all of its accounts of god are false. Argument in favor of the above suggestion: Take the concept of revenge and forgiveness. These are both related as a result of a common source (reaction to being apparently violated). However it is not hard to see that forgiveness is not a modification of revenge, but an absolute correction (depending on wither you’re a Christian and consequently prefer forgiveness). If this is the case, then the claim that god is absolutely perfect has to be false. From this result one can only come to a conclusion of the above suggestion.
Edd wrote: The bible’s claim of it’s relation to a god is either false, or some or all of its accounts of god are false. Actually, I'd say either everything it says is true, or it must all be false. Edd wrote: If this is the case, then the claim that god is absolutely perfect has to be false. YOu see, you're using convoluted logic to present your case. My case is simple. The Bible says there is a God who answers in specific ways. As I have tested this, and He DID answer, there is a God. No amount of complex argument can stop me from believing in someone I have met. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002
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Edd wrote: The bible’s claim of it’s relation to a god is either false, or some or all of its accounts of god are false. Actually, I'd say either everything it says is true, or it must all be false. Edd wrote: If this is the case, then the claim that god is absolutely perfect has to be false. YOu see, you're using convoluted logic to present your case. My case is simple. The Bible says there is a God who answers in specific ways. As I have tested this, and He DID answer, there is a God. No amount of complex argument can stop me from believing in someone I have met. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002
Christian Graus wrote: Actually, I'd say either everything it says is true, or it must all be false. I disagree due to the canonization process of the Bible by man. Christian Graus wrote: As I have tested this, and He DID answer, Yes its an easy test. However others can't experience it through you they must try the test themselves. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
More about me :-)
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Suggestion: The bible’s claim of it’s relation to a god is either false, or some or all of its accounts of god are false. Argument in favor of the above suggestion: Take the concept of revenge and forgiveness. These are both related as a result of a common source (reaction to being apparently violated). However it is not hard to see that forgiveness is not a modification of revenge, but an absolute correction (depending on wither you’re a Christian and consequently prefer forgiveness). If this is the case, then the claim that god is absolutely perfect has to be false. From this result one can only come to a conclusion of the above suggestion.
Yes, but not in the existence of any specific god. I accept all religions and follow none. /ravi Help put "civil" back into "civilization" http://www.ravib.com ravib@ravib.com
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Suggestion: The bible’s claim of it’s relation to a god is either false, or some or all of its accounts of god are false. Argument in favor of the above suggestion: Take the concept of revenge and forgiveness. These are both related as a result of a common source (reaction to being apparently violated). However it is not hard to see that forgiveness is not a modification of revenge, but an absolute correction (depending on wither you’re a Christian and consequently prefer forgiveness). If this is the case, then the claim that god is absolutely perfect has to be false. From this result one can only come to a conclusion of the above suggestion.
Edd wrote: Do u believe in god? Absolutely. Edd wrote: Suggestion: The bible’s claim of it’s relation to a god is either false, or some or all of its accounts of god are false. OR, its claims are entirely correct but misapplied and misused by people. Argument in favor of the above suggestion: Although the BIBLE provides valuable lessons on a page-by-page basis, it was not meant to be micro-managed. The lesson of the BIBLE is a complete message, not an idividual concept found on any given page. Each book, chapter and verse is intended to support the complete message as well as provide historical and object-lessons. The subject of revenge and forgiveness are entirely compatible in God's eyes. The BIBLE from the very beginning states that evey sin must be paid for. Revenge (actually justice) is applied because of unpaid sin. Forgiveness is available because God provided a way for our sins to be paid for by another (Jesus Christ). So you see, forgiveness is not a correction on God's part. Both concepts were created together and both are results of sin. Unpaid sin receives revenge (justice), paid sins receive forgiveness. Anyway, I could talk about this for hours but I won't.
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The problem is, people who stop believing in god, start believing everything. I don't understand how you came to that conclusion. What I really thought you were going to write was "The problem is, people who stop believing in god, stop believing everything." i.e. Atheists are more skeptical of claims which don't have tangible, solid proof. (Either way, I disagree with both statements.)
A lot of people that don't follow the mainstream religions still look for something to give them spiritual guidance, some reason to why things happen, some mantra to meditate. This can be far from our core understanding of "religion", but still looks very much like an replacement. And be these three things just "pursue happiness", "money drives the world", and "fame, fame, fame". Atheists will by nature be skeptical of everything that *looks* like a religion, but there's more to believe in the world, than religions.
The earth is not dying. It is being killed.
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Suggestion: The bible’s claim of it’s relation to a god is either false, or some or all of its accounts of god are false. Argument in favor of the above suggestion: Take the concept of revenge and forgiveness. These are both related as a result of a common source (reaction to being apparently violated). However it is not hard to see that forgiveness is not a modification of revenge, but an absolute correction (depending on wither you’re a Christian and consequently prefer forgiveness). If this is the case, then the claim that god is absolutely perfect has to be false. From this result one can only come to a conclusion of the above suggestion.
I believe that whatever it is that is responsible for everything that exists is God. Since we know something exists, includeing conscious intellect, then we know that God exists. However, I claim no knowledge of the nature of God as a being. I consider myself to be a Christian in the sense that Christianity is a good source of moral guidance and being a flawed and limited mortal being, I frequently find myself in need of such guidance. "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"
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Suggestion: The bible’s claim of it’s relation to a god is either false, or some or all of its accounts of god are false. Argument in favor of the above suggestion: Take the concept of revenge and forgiveness. These are both related as a result of a common source (reaction to being apparently violated). However it is not hard to see that forgiveness is not a modification of revenge, but an absolute correction (depending on wither you’re a Christian and consequently prefer forgiveness). If this is the case, then the claim that god is absolutely perfect has to be false. From this result one can only come to a conclusion of the above suggestion.
No, I do not. However, I respect the views of those that do. I also find Spiritualism an interesting concept. Out of interest, how do believers of one religion view the beliefs of another(religion)? How, for example, does Christianity view Buddhism, and vice-versa. This is not a loaded question. Free
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Christian Graus wrote: Actually, I'd say either everything it says is true, or it must all be false. I disagree due to the canonization process of the Bible by man. Christian Graus wrote: As I have tested this, and He DID answer, Yes its an easy test. However others can't experience it through you they must try the test themselves. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
More about me :-)
Colin Davies wrote: I disagree due to the canonization process of the Bible by man. Naturally, I'm not refering the the King James, but the original, inspired texts. Colin Davies wrote: However others can't experience it through you they must try the test themselves. Absolutely. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002
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Yes, but not in the existence of any specific god. I accept all religions and follow none. /ravi Help put "civil" back into "civilization" http://www.ravib.com ravib@ravib.com
Then you don't believe in God. The Christian God is mutually exclusive to any other God, and I'm sure other beliefs have similar tenets. If Jesus is who He said He was, then Mohammed is a nut, and Buddha is just a fat guy. Did I just offend half of CP ? Probably. But the point is that what different religions claim of God cannot co-exist. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002
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Then you don't believe in God. The Christian God is mutually exclusive to any other God, and I'm sure other beliefs have similar tenets. If Jesus is who He said He was, then Mohammed is a nut, and Buddha is just a fat guy. Did I just offend half of CP ? Probably. But the point is that what different religions claim of God cannot co-exist. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002
Christian Graus wrote: Then you don't believe in God. That's your opinion. Christian Graus wrote: and I'm sure other beliefs have similar tenets. Sorry, you're wrong. Christian Graus wrote: But the point is that what different religions claim of God cannot co-exist. Sorry, wrong again. I think your response is based on the Christian faith. I'm not suggesting you should think otherwise, but only pointing out that I accept all religions but follow none. I don't believe that Jesus (Christianity), Allah (Muslim) or Lord Krishna (Hinduism), or any other figure is the supreme being, I just believe there is a supreme being. Why? Because it affords me comfort. Do I require others to share my beliefs? Not at all. /ravi Help put "civil" back into "civilization" http://www.ravib.com ravib@ravib.com
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Christian Graus wrote: Then you don't believe in God. That's your opinion. Christian Graus wrote: and I'm sure other beliefs have similar tenets. Sorry, you're wrong. Christian Graus wrote: But the point is that what different religions claim of God cannot co-exist. Sorry, wrong again. I think your response is based on the Christian faith. I'm not suggesting you should think otherwise, but only pointing out that I accept all religions but follow none. I don't believe that Jesus (Christianity), Allah (Muslim) or Lord Krishna (Hinduism), or any other figure is the supreme being, I just believe there is a supreme being. Why? Because it affords me comfort. Do I require others to share my beliefs? Not at all. /ravi Help put "civil" back into "civilization" http://www.ravib.com ravib@ravib.com
Ravi Bhavnani wrote: That's your opinion. Obviously I have no right to say what you 'believe', that is something that is in your head. What I mean is that you don't really believe in God, because your abstract belief in the concept of God is not tied to the concept that He has said anything, or that He does anything. I'm sure you have a belief of sorts, but it's not tied to the possibility of there actually being a concrete God, just the idea of one. Ravi Bhavnani wrote: Sorry, you're wrong. So Islam claims that Budda is right ? Hinduism claims that Jesus is the way to go ? Ravi Bhavnani wrote: I think your response is based on the Christian faith Pretty much :-) Ravi Bhavnani wrote: I don't believe that Jesus (Christianity), Allah (Muslim) or Lord Krishna (Hinduism), or any other figure is the supreme being, I just believe there is a supreme being. Why? Because it affords me comfort. OK - so we agree. You gain comfort from an abstract belief that does not require anything from you, because it does not involve a God who has represented Himself to us in any way. That is your right, of course. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002
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Suggestion: The bible’s claim of it’s relation to a god is either false, or some or all of its accounts of god are false. Argument in favor of the above suggestion: Take the concept of revenge and forgiveness. These are both related as a result of a common source (reaction to being apparently violated). However it is not hard to see that forgiveness is not a modification of revenge, but an absolute correction (depending on wither you’re a Christian and consequently prefer forgiveness). If this is the case, then the claim that god is absolutely perfect has to be false. From this result one can only come to a conclusion of the above suggestion.
