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  • T Todd Smith

    All Programmers are not Created Equal[^]

    (that is, 10x difference)

    If that's the case then why aren't they getting paid 10x as much :confused: Have you ever had to work with one of those developers who had negative productivity? Most everything they wrote had to be redone and while they wrote it they required the assistance of other people thus taking up their time as well.

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    Josh Smith
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    Interesting blog post. I'm curious if you posted it to see who is pompous enough to make a congratulatory self-reference. ;)

    :josh: My WPF Blog[^] Without a strive for perfection I would be terribly bored.

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    • T Todd Smith

      All Programmers are not Created Equal[^]

      (that is, 10x difference)

      If that's the case then why aren't they getting paid 10x as much :confused: Have you ever had to work with one of those developers who had negative productivity? Most everything they wrote had to be redone and while they wrote it they required the assistance of other people thus taking up their time as well.

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      Gary R Wheeler
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      Todd Smith wrote:

      one of those developers who had negative productivity

      Yes, I did. The guy actually created negative progress wherever he worked. His programming was so bad (crowd: "how bad was it?"), you didn't want to read it. You certainly didn't want to talk to him about it, because he could endlessly justify the ineptly Byzantine way he did things. Here's an example:

      #define void int

      That was to fix "a bug in the compiler" :wtf:.


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      • G Gary R Wheeler

        Todd Smith wrote:

        one of those developers who had negative productivity

        Yes, I did. The guy actually created negative progress wherever he worked. His programming was so bad (crowd: "how bad was it?"), you didn't want to read it. You certainly didn't want to talk to him about it, because he could endlessly justify the ineptly Byzantine way he did things. Here's an example:

        #define void int

        That was to fix "a bug in the compiler" :wtf:.


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        Josh Smith
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        Gary R. Wheeler wrote:

        His programming was so bad (crowd: "how bad was it?")

        :laugh:

        Gary R. Wheeler wrote:

        That was to fix "a bug in the compiler"

        Did your company shortly thereafter fix the bug of him being employed?

        :josh: My WPF Blog[^] Without a strive for perfection I would be terribly bored.

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        • J Josh Smith

          Interesting blog post. I'm curious if you posted it to see who is pompous enough to make a congratulatory self-reference. ;)

          :josh: My WPF Blog[^] Without a strive for perfection I would be terribly bored.

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          Gary R Wheeler
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          I know I'm a better programmer than a lot of the people I've worked with, at least at certain things. I'm not quite bastard enough to throw it in their faces, though. Except when it comes to GUI code. These guys suck, which they freely admit.


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          • J Josh Smith

            Gary R. Wheeler wrote:

            His programming was so bad (crowd: "how bad was it?")

            :laugh:

            Gary R. Wheeler wrote:

            That was to fix "a bug in the compiler"

            Did your company shortly thereafter fix the bug of him being employed?

            :josh: My WPF Blog[^] Without a strive for perfection I would be terribly bored.

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            Gary R Wheeler
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            It took them a couple of years after I met him (and a couple more projects that nearly floundered because of him) before he was convinced to seek his fortune elsewhere.


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            • G Gary R Wheeler

              I know I'm a better programmer than a lot of the people I've worked with, at least at certain things. I'm not quite bastard enough to throw it in their faces, though. Except when it comes to GUI code. These guys suck, which they freely admit.


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              Josh Smith
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              Gary R. Wheeler wrote:

              I'm not quite bastard enough to throw it in their faces, though.

              Exactly. I have no problems with people knowing that they are better at X than someone else. What makes me sick is when people sing the "Splendors of Me." Ugh. Even if it's true that the person is the best in the West, my opinion of them always drops a notch.

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              • G Gary R Wheeler

                It took them a couple of years after I met him (and a couple more projects that nearly floundered because of him) before he was convinced to seek his fortune elsewhere.


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                Josh Smith
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                Gary R. Wheeler wrote:

                before he was convinced to seek his fortune elsewhere

                Perhaps he joined Microsoft to help them fix the void/int bug! :-D

                :josh: My WPF Blog[^] Without a strive for perfection I would be terribly bored.

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                • G Gary R Wheeler

                  Todd Smith wrote:

                  one of those developers who had negative productivity

                  Yes, I did. The guy actually created negative progress wherever he worked. His programming was so bad (crowd: "how bad was it?"), you didn't want to read it. You certainly didn't want to talk to him about it, because he could endlessly justify the ineptly Byzantine way he did things. Here's an example:

                  #define void int

                  That was to fix "a bug in the compiler" :wtf:.


                  Software Zen: delete this;

                  Fold With Us![^]

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                  My favorite for C++ was:

                  #define private public

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                  • T Todd Smith

                    My favorite for C++ was:

                    #define private public

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                    Todd Smith wrote:

                    #define private public

                    That's just plain Evil. :suss:

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                    • T Todd Smith

                      My favorite for C++ was:

                      #define private public

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                      Nemanja Trifunovic
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                      Todd Smith wrote:

                      #define private public

                      I saw it in one of Herb Sutter's stories :) Have you actually seen it in real life?


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                      • G Gary R Wheeler

                        It took them a couple of years after I met him (and a couple more projects that nearly floundered because of him) before he was convinced to seek his fortune elsewhere.


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                        Gary R. Wheeler wrote:

                        he was convinced to seek his fortune elsewhere

                        Does that mean he was promoted to management? :~

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                        • J Josh Smith

                          Gary R. Wheeler wrote:

                          before he was convinced to seek his fortune elsewhere

                          Perhaps he joined Microsoft to help them fix the void/int bug! :-D

                          :josh: My WPF Blog[^] Without a strive for perfection I would be terribly bored.

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                          Gary R Wheeler
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                          Nope. (snicker, snicker) He was hired by one of our competitors.


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                            My favorite for C++ was:

                            #define private public

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                            Oh great. Now I get to clean vomit off my wall.


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                            • G Gary R Wheeler

                              Nope. (snicker, snicker) He was hired by one of our competitors.


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                              Josh Smith
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                              Gary R. Wheeler wrote:

                              He was hired by one of our competitors.

                              I assume you mean "ex-competitors." :)

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                              • T Todd Smith

                                All Programmers are not Created Equal[^]

                                (that is, 10x difference)

                                If that's the case then why aren't they getting paid 10x as much :confused: Have you ever had to work with one of those developers who had negative productivity? Most everything they wrote had to be redone and while they wrote it they required the assistance of other people thus taking up their time as well.

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                                "If you were marooned on a island with the natives that are cannibals, and you had to program your way off the island, who would you want to be there to help you?" No one, because we would just argue about the best way to code ourselves off the island. :doh: Love programming, hate programmers. :)

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                                • T Todd Smith

                                  My favorite for C++ was:

                                  #define private public

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                                  When we made the switch from pascal to C++, my boss wanted me to do this:

                                  #define begin {
                                  #define end }

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                                  • T Todd Smith

                                    All Programmers are not Created Equal[^]

                                    (that is, 10x difference)

                                    If that's the case then why aren't they getting paid 10x as much :confused: Have you ever had to work with one of those developers who had negative productivity? Most everything they wrote had to be redone and while they wrote it they required the assistance of other people thus taking up their time as well.

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                                    Marc Clifton
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                                    Todd Smith wrote:

                                    Have you ever had to work with one of those developers who had negative productivity? Most everything they wrote had to be redone and while they wrote it they required the assistance of other people thus taking up their time as well.

                                    That's a two way street. I've worked with idiot developers where I've had to redo everything. Conversely, I've ended up in situations where my work has been redone because it was too complicated for the inhouse developers to understand and maintain. Different symptoms, same disease--bad management, no budget for design and documentation, etc. Marc

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                                    • G Gary R Wheeler

                                      I know I'm a better programmer than a lot of the people I've worked with, at least at certain things. I'm not quite bastard enough to throw it in their faces, though. Except when it comes to GUI code. These guys suck, which they freely admit.


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                                      Gary R. Wheeler wrote:

                                      I know I'm a better programmer than a lot of the people I've worked with

                                      O rly?[^]


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                                      • T Todd Smith

                                        All Programmers are not Created Equal[^]

                                        (that is, 10x difference)

                                        If that's the case then why aren't they getting paid 10x as much :confused: Have you ever had to work with one of those developers who had negative productivity? Most everything they wrote had to be redone and while they wrote it they required the assistance of other people thus taking up their time as well.

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                                        Lost User
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                                        Todd Smith wrote:

                                        developers who had negative productivity

                                        hahahahahahaha Yes :mad:

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                                        • T Todd Smith

                                          All Programmers are not Created Equal[^]

                                          (that is, 10x difference)

                                          If that's the case then why aren't they getting paid 10x as much :confused: Have you ever had to work with one of those developers who had negative productivity? Most everything they wrote had to be redone and while they wrote it they required the assistance of other people thus taking up their time as well.

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                                          A good programmer, on a good day, is ten times more productive than an average one. It's the managers job to make sure the programmer gas as many good days as possible.


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