MFC Updates for Visual Studio 2008 and Beyond
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There is some information about the upcoming updates to MFC on the TechEd site: TLA404 MFC Updates for Visual Studio 2008 and Beyond This session will demonstrate the new features added to MFC in Visual Studio 2008, including support for Vista Common Dialogs, Vista Common Controls, the Microsoft Office 2007 Look and Feel (including support for an Office Ribbon style interface), Office and Visual Studio style Docking Toolbars and Tabbed Documents. We will also talk about our plans to evolve the MFC library for Visual C++ 10 and beyond. This is an in-depth session designed for experienced C++/MFC programmers. http://www.mseventseurope.com/OnlinePub/Public/sessions.aspx[^] (Search for speaker Ale Contenti)
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There is some information about the upcoming updates to MFC on the TechEd site: TLA404 MFC Updates for Visual Studio 2008 and Beyond This session will demonstrate the new features added to MFC in Visual Studio 2008, including support for Vista Common Dialogs, Vista Common Controls, the Microsoft Office 2007 Look and Feel (including support for an Office Ribbon style interface), Office and Visual Studio style Docking Toolbars and Tabbed Documents. We will also talk about our plans to evolve the MFC library for Visual C++ 10 and beyond. This is an in-depth session designed for experienced C++/MFC programmers. http://www.mseventseurope.com/OnlinePub/Public/sessions.aspx[^] (Search for speaker Ale Contenti)
Wow. Looks like they're actually putting some effort into native code development once again.
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There is some information about the upcoming updates to MFC on the TechEd site: TLA404 MFC Updates for Visual Studio 2008 and Beyond This session will demonstrate the new features added to MFC in Visual Studio 2008, including support for Vista Common Dialogs, Vista Common Controls, the Microsoft Office 2007 Look and Feel (including support for an Office Ribbon style interface), Office and Visual Studio style Docking Toolbars and Tabbed Documents. We will also talk about our plans to evolve the MFC library for Visual C++ 10 and beyond. This is an in-depth session designed for experienced C++/MFC programmers. http://www.mseventseurope.com/OnlinePub/Public/sessions.aspx[^] (Search for speaker Ale Contenti)
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There is some information about the upcoming updates to MFC on the TechEd site: TLA404 MFC Updates for Visual Studio 2008 and Beyond This session will demonstrate the new features added to MFC in Visual Studio 2008, including support for Vista Common Dialogs, Vista Common Controls, the Microsoft Office 2007 Look and Feel (including support for an Office Ribbon style interface), Office and Visual Studio style Docking Toolbars and Tabbed Documents. We will also talk about our plans to evolve the MFC library for Visual C++ 10 and beyond. This is an in-depth session designed for experienced C++/MFC programmers. http://www.mseventseurope.com/OnlinePub/Public/sessions.aspx[^] (Search for speaker Ale Contenti)
TechEd Developers - 05-09 November 2007, Barcelona, Spain[^] As mentioned by Andre, search for Ale Contenti. And yes, MFC is still being supported :) Mark
Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ :java:
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Wow. Looks like they're actually putting some effort into native code development once again.
Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: Summer Vacation 2007 pics The apostle Paul, modernly speaking: Epistles of Paul Judah Himango
Don't believe it. It's all a lie, and we're all going to be disappointed again. Every freakin' release of Visual Studio since VC6 has promised new and wonderful things for native code developers, and with the exception of improved standards compliance, we've gotten exactly dick. I predict Visual Studio 2010 will drop native code development support completely. Yes, that's right. Microsoft will require that you develop everything for .NET.
Software Zen:
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There is some information about the upcoming updates to MFC on the TechEd site: TLA404 MFC Updates for Visual Studio 2008 and Beyond This session will demonstrate the new features added to MFC in Visual Studio 2008, including support for Vista Common Dialogs, Vista Common Controls, the Microsoft Office 2007 Look and Feel (including support for an Office Ribbon style interface), Office and Visual Studio style Docking Toolbars and Tabbed Documents. We will also talk about our plans to evolve the MFC library for Visual C++ 10 and beyond. This is an in-depth session designed for experienced C++/MFC programmers. http://www.mseventseurope.com/OnlinePub/Public/sessions.aspx[^] (Search for speaker Ale Contenti)
Just when I have decided to move from MFC based application to WPF. Oh Well! None of these features are exciting enough for me as CodeJock has support for al these features for a long time.
Co-Author ASP.NET AJAX in Action
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Don't believe it. It's all a lie, and we're all going to be disappointed again. Every freakin' release of Visual Studio since VC6 has promised new and wonderful things for native code developers, and with the exception of improved standards compliance, we've gotten exactly dick. I predict Visual Studio 2010 will drop native code development support completely. Yes, that's right. Microsoft will require that you develop everything for .NET.
Software Zen:
delete this;LOL MFC is native development? MFC is a framework. There's no reason for one to use it if one doesn't want to. I've heard years of whining about better native support and I still can't figure out what that is. I didn't think it was MFC. I thought C++ was C++. What else is there but keeping up (or trying to) with standards? I, like thousands of at least a couple others, am stuck with a huge code base using MFC....I'll take whatever they add to MFC. For the first time ever, they are adding something I wanted before I rolled my own. Of course, it remains to be seen if it will work :) Cheers, Mark
Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ :java:
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Don't believe it. It's all a lie, and we're all going to be disappointed again. Every freakin' release of Visual Studio since VC6 has promised new and wonderful things for native code developers, and with the exception of improved standards compliance, we've gotten exactly dick. I predict Visual Studio 2010 will drop native code development support completely. Yes, that's right. Microsoft will require that you develop everything for .NET.
Software Zen:
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There is some information about the upcoming updates to MFC on the TechEd site: TLA404 MFC Updates for Visual Studio 2008 and Beyond This session will demonstrate the new features added to MFC in Visual Studio 2008, including support for Vista Common Dialogs, Vista Common Controls, the Microsoft Office 2007 Look and Feel (including support for an Office Ribbon style interface), Office and Visual Studio style Docking Toolbars and Tabbed Documents. We will also talk about our plans to evolve the MFC library for Visual C++ 10 and beyond. This is an in-depth session designed for experienced C++/MFC programmers. http://www.mseventseurope.com/OnlinePub/Public/sessions.aspx[^] (Search for speaker Ale Contenti)
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The link is not working. Best regards, Paul.
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Paul Selormey wrote:
The link is not working.
That's because the link wasn't implemented in native code.
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LOL MFC is native development? MFC is a framework. There's no reason for one to use it if one doesn't want to. I've heard years of whining about better native support and I still can't figure out what that is. I didn't think it was MFC. I thought C++ was C++. What else is there but keeping up (or trying to) with standards? I, like thousands of at least a couple others, am stuck with a huge code base using MFC....I'll take whatever they add to MFC. For the first time ever, they are adding something I wanted before I rolled my own. Of course, it remains to be seen if it will work :) Cheers, Mark
Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ :java:
I didn't mention MFC at all. I'm talking about C++ and native code development support in the IDE. Microsoft has a blatant policy of treating C++/native developers as second-class citizens when it comes to IDE productivity enhancements. IntelliSense works poorly, when at all, refactoring support is minimal, the damned source editor has bugs when editing C++ code that don't happen when you're editing C# or VB. I believe this is a deliberate effort to discourage native/C++ development in favor of C#/VB/.NET. Advance information on each new version of Visual Studio promises improved support for native/C++ development. Every version when released lacks those improvements. I'm tired of the false advertising.
Software Zen:
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And for the die harders won't just wont except that MFC is a terminal patient - get over it and move on.
Chuck Norris counted to infinity - twice.
You try and implement a performance-critical process control application in .NET. Let me know if you ever figure out how to get the CLR's garbage collector from stealing the CPU at random intervals for up to a half-second at a time.
Software Zen:
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I didn't mention MFC at all. I'm talking about C++ and native code development support in the IDE. Microsoft has a blatant policy of treating C++/native developers as second-class citizens when it comes to IDE productivity enhancements. IntelliSense works poorly, when at all, refactoring support is minimal, the damned source editor has bugs when editing C++ code that don't happen when you're editing C# or VB. I believe this is a deliberate effort to discourage native/C++ development in favor of C#/VB/.NET. Advance information on each new version of Visual Studio promises improved support for native/C++ development. Every version when released lacks those improvements. I'm tired of the false advertising.
Software Zen:
delete this;Gary R. Wheeler wrote:
I didn't mention MFC at all.
Thanks for the clarification Gary. This thread was entirely about MFC, hence my confusion. I'm not arguing at all - I've just always been confused about WTH "native development" is since it always comes up in MFC discussions and I never got the connection or what people wanted. It comes up over and over again in chats with MS and it always seems out of context to me. I'm wondering when they'll drop Win32 completely and everything will have to be through .NET :) I'll keep your points and pass them on to MS every chance I get. I don't expect anything, but as long as I'm stuck using their products and they give me an opportunity to speak up, I'm going to take advantage of it. Screw these script-kiddie languages....the same thing happened when Java was the new buzzword in the 90s. Cheers :) Mark
Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ :java:
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:zzz: heard it all before. just a couple of new classes to support the new functionality in vista - so what. MFC is dead, move along now.
Chuck Norris counted to infinity - twice.
Just the kind of narrow minded response I'd expect from a guy with the last name ".net" ;P Seriously, though, it's just a f-in set of classes geez. It can't be "dead" or alive - it's just there. It's mature, it is what it is....people are used to it. What do you really expect MS to add to it beyond a few support classes now and then. C++ developers should be writing their own code, not waiting for MS to do it for them. :beer: Mark
Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ :java:
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Just the kind of narrow minded response I'd expect from a guy with the last name ".net" ;P Seriously, though, it's just a f-in set of classes geez. It can't be "dead" or alive - it's just there. It's mature, it is what it is....people are used to it. What do you really expect MS to add to it beyond a few support classes now and then. C++ developers should be writing their own code, not waiting for MS to do it for them. :beer: Mark
Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ :java:
Mark Salsbery wrote:
Seriously, though, it's just a f-in set of classes geez. It can't be "dead" or alive - it's just there. It's mature, it is what it is....people are used to it. What do you really expect MS to add to it beyond a few support classes now and then. C++ developers should be writing their own code, not waiting for MS to do it for them.
Quite familar with MFC been using it since '92 stopped in 2002. It's a stale framework, needs complete rewritting from the ground up, it's not gonna happen so in my eye's it's dead.
Chuck Norris counted to infinity - twice.
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You try and implement a performance-critical process control application in .NET. Let me know if you ever figure out how to get the CLR's garbage collector from stealing the CPU at random intervals for up to a half-second at a time.
Software Zen:
delete this;Gary R. Wheeler wrote:
You try and implement a performance-critical process control application in .NET. Let me know if you ever figure out how to get the CLR's garbage collector from stealing the CPU at random intervals for up to a half-second at a time.
Easy, a well designed threaded .net application would work fine, as for garbage collection, depending what the application is doing, again threading would if you crashing data as you could hand off the data to another thread. Let's face it back in 2002 I thought is was near impossible to do these types of apps, now I realize .net has taken over where C++ was the main tool for developing high end and desktop applications.
Chuck Norris counted to infinity - twice.
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TechEd Developers - 05-09 November 2007, Barcelona, Spain[^] As mentioned by Andre, search for Ale Contenti. And yes, MFC is still being supported :) Mark
Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ :java:
