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    Red Stateler
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    The U.S. military believes it has dealt devastating and perhaps irreversible blows
    to al-Qaeda in Iraq in recent months, leading some generals to advocate a declaration
    of victory over the group, which the Bush administration has long described as the most
    lethal U.S. adversary in Iraq.
    ...
    The deployment of more U.S. and Iraqi forces into AQI strongholds in Anbar province and
    the Baghdad area, as well as the recruitment of Sunni tribal fighters to combat AQI
    operatives in those locations, has helped to deprive the militants of a secure base of
    operations, U.S. military officials said. "They are less and less coordinated, more and
    more fragmented," Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, the second-ranking U.S. commander in
    Iraq, said recently. Describing frayed support structures and supply lines, Odierno
    estimated that the group's capabilities have been "degraded" by 60 to 70 percent since
    the beginning of the year.

    And the missle defense shield that liberals claimed just two years ago was technically impossible is operational. Now when will we focus on the "impossible" task of tackling illegal immigration.


    Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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      The U.S. military believes it has dealt devastating and perhaps irreversible blows
      to al-Qaeda in Iraq in recent months, leading some generals to advocate a declaration
      of victory over the group, which the Bush administration has long described as the most
      lethal U.S. adversary in Iraq.
      ...
      The deployment of more U.S. and Iraqi forces into AQI strongholds in Anbar province and
      the Baghdad area, as well as the recruitment of Sunni tribal fighters to combat AQI
      operatives in those locations, has helped to deprive the militants of a secure base of
      operations, U.S. military officials said. "They are less and less coordinated, more and
      more fragmented," Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, the second-ranking U.S. commander in
      Iraq, said recently. Describing frayed support structures and supply lines, Odierno
      estimated that the group's capabilities have been "degraded" by 60 to 70 percent since
      the beginning of the year.

      And the missle defense shield that liberals claimed just two years ago was technically impossible is operational. Now when will we focus on the "impossible" task of tackling illegal immigration.


      Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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      Red Stateler wrote:

      missle defense shield

      Is this the one that is getting Putin in a lather? With a recent surge in Russian Military Aircraft manoeuvres, are we at risk of resurrecting a version of the Cold War?

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        Red Stateler wrote:

        missle defense shield

        Is this the one that is getting Putin in a lather? With a recent surge in Russian Military Aircraft manoeuvres, are we at risk of resurrecting a version of the Cold War?

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        Red Stateler
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        Richard A. Abbott wrote:

        With a recent surge in Russian Military Aircraft manoeuvres, are we at risk of resurrecting a version of the Cold War?

        Who cares? We have a missile defense shield! Neener neener!


        Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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          The U.S. military believes it has dealt devastating and perhaps irreversible blows
          to al-Qaeda in Iraq in recent months, leading some generals to advocate a declaration
          of victory over the group, which the Bush administration has long described as the most
          lethal U.S. adversary in Iraq.
          ...
          The deployment of more U.S. and Iraqi forces into AQI strongholds in Anbar province and
          the Baghdad area, as well as the recruitment of Sunni tribal fighters to combat AQI
          operatives in those locations, has helped to deprive the militants of a secure base of
          operations, U.S. military officials said. "They are less and less coordinated, more and
          more fragmented," Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, the second-ranking U.S. commander in
          Iraq, said recently. Describing frayed support structures and supply lines, Odierno
          estimated that the group's capabilities have been "degraded" by 60 to 70 percent since
          the beginning of the year.

          And the missle defense shield that liberals claimed just two years ago was technically impossible is operational. Now when will we focus on the "impossible" task of tackling illegal immigration.


          Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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          Isn't it primarily a result of the tribal uprising that Al Q have got a kicking? Which I guess is the point of CI warfare in the first place - make the insurgents appear far more dangerous for the general population than the occupiers. A big remaining worry is how to integrate newly loyal regions into the larger political structure, they are acting out of immediate self interest rather than a new found love of the US and the Iraqi government.

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            Isn't it primarily a result of the tribal uprising that Al Q have got a kicking? Which I guess is the point of CI warfare in the first place - make the insurgents appear far more dangerous for the general population than the occupiers. A big remaining worry is how to integrate newly loyal regions into the larger political structure, they are acting out of immediate self interest rather than a new found love of the US and the Iraqi government.

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            Ryan Roberts wrote:

            Isn't it primarily a result of the tribal uprising that Al Q have got a kicking?

            The article mentions that during the surge, US military worked with Sunnis in fighting Al Qaeda together:

            The deployment of more U.S. and Iraqi forces into AQI strongholds in Anbar
            province and the Baghdad area, as well as the recruitment of Sunni tribal fighters to
            combat AQI operatives in those locations, has helped to deprive the militants of a
            secure base of operations, U.S. military officials said.


            Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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              Richard A. Abbott wrote:

              With a recent surge in Russian Military Aircraft manoeuvres, are we at risk of resurrecting a version of the Cold War?

              Who cares? We have a missile defense shield! Neener neener!


              Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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              Ah! I thought it wasn't aimed at the Russian threat. May be we are being misled to its real purpose.

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                Ah! I thought it wasn't aimed at the Russian threat. May be we are being misled to its real purpose.

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                Is Russia still a threat? I thought their left-wing policies sent them back to the stone age (which seems to be the goal of left-wing policies).


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                  link[^]

                  The U.S. military believes it has dealt devastating and perhaps irreversible blows
                  to al-Qaeda in Iraq in recent months, leading some generals to advocate a declaration
                  of victory over the group, which the Bush administration has long described as the most
                  lethal U.S. adversary in Iraq.
                  ...
                  The deployment of more U.S. and Iraqi forces into AQI strongholds in Anbar province and
                  the Baghdad area, as well as the recruitment of Sunni tribal fighters to combat AQI
                  operatives in those locations, has helped to deprive the militants of a secure base of
                  operations, U.S. military officials said. "They are less and less coordinated, more and
                  more fragmented," Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, the second-ranking U.S. commander in
                  Iraq, said recently. Describing frayed support structures and supply lines, Odierno
                  estimated that the group's capabilities have been "degraded" by 60 to 70 percent since
                  the beginning of the year.

                  And the missle defense shield that liberals claimed just two years ago was technically impossible is operational. Now when will we focus on the "impossible" task of tackling illegal immigration.


                  Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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                  If victory over AQI is declared all that means is a step closer to war with Iran. AQI, a fiction created by the 'intelligence' services, was nothing more than a convenient excuse and a way of maintaining the false impression of a link between Iraq and Afghanistan, Iraq and 9/11, where none ever existed. Once the straw man enemy is no longer needed it will fade away to be replaced with a newer more frightenening media hyped bogey man to justify US bases next to the world largest oil reserves and profits for Halliburton et al. You'd better hope most Americans are still fooled by this ruse because if not you may find that 'operational' missile shield has unexpected holes after all. I can almost hear Condi now, "No one could have predicted that the terrorists would launch their missiles from the (unacknowledged US base in the) jungles of Honduras..." :sigh:

                  Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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                    Is Russia still a threat? I thought their left-wing policies sent them back to the stone age (which seems to be the goal of left-wing policies).


                    Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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                    They may no longer be the Military Superpower that they once was, but don't underestimate their willingness to make life awkward and difficult (and perhaps dangerous) for us westerners.

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                      If victory over AQI is declared all that means is a step closer to war with Iran. AQI, a fiction created by the 'intelligence' services, was nothing more than a convenient excuse and a way of maintaining the false impression of a link between Iraq and Afghanistan, Iraq and 9/11, where none ever existed. Once the straw man enemy is no longer needed it will fade away to be replaced with a newer more frightenening media hyped bogey man to justify US bases next to the world largest oil reserves and profits for Halliburton et al. You'd better hope most Americans are still fooled by this ruse because if not you may find that 'operational' missile shield has unexpected holes after all. I can almost hear Condi now, "No one could have predicted that the terrorists would launch their missiles from the (unacknowledged US base in the) jungles of Honduras..." :sigh:

                      Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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                      Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                      AQI, a fiction created by the 'intelligence' services, was nothing more than a convenient excuse and a way of maintaining the false impression of a link between Iraq and Afghanistan, Iraq and 9/11, where none ever existed. Once the straw man enemy is no longer needed it will fade away to be replaced with a newer more frightenening media hyped bogey man to justify US bases next to the world largest oil reserves and profits for Halliburton et al. You'd better hope most Americans are still fooled by this ruse because if not you may find that 'operational' missile shield has unexpected holes after all.

                      I'm performing an informal survey. Could you tell me which brand of "aluminum" foil you use?


                      Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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                        If victory over AQI is declared all that means is a step closer to war with Iran. AQI, a fiction created by the 'intelligence' services, was nothing more than a convenient excuse and a way of maintaining the false impression of a link between Iraq and Afghanistan, Iraq and 9/11, where none ever existed. Once the straw man enemy is no longer needed it will fade away to be replaced with a newer more frightenening media hyped bogey man to justify US bases next to the world largest oil reserves and profits for Halliburton et al. You'd better hope most Americans are still fooled by this ruse because if not you may find that 'operational' missile shield has unexpected holes after all. I can almost hear Condi now, "No one could have predicted that the terrorists would launch their missiles from the (unacknowledged US base in the) jungles of Honduras..." :sigh:

                        Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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                        Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                        "No one could have predicted that the terrorists would launch their missiles from the (unacknowledged US base in the) jungles of Honduras..."

                        Not another conspiracy theory :( OT Did you see you mate on yesterdays BBCtv's Politics Show - you would have thought he would have said something new - but no - same old stuff.

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                          If victory over AQI is declared all that means is a step closer to war with Iran. AQI, a fiction created by the 'intelligence' services, was nothing more than a convenient excuse and a way of maintaining the false impression of a link between Iraq and Afghanistan, Iraq and 9/11, where none ever existed. Once the straw man enemy is no longer needed it will fade away to be replaced with a newer more frightenening media hyped bogey man to justify US bases next to the world largest oil reserves and profits for Halliburton et al. You'd better hope most Americans are still fooled by this ruse because if not you may find that 'operational' missile shield has unexpected holes after all. I can almost hear Condi now, "No one could have predicted that the terrorists would launch their missiles from the (unacknowledged US base in the) jungles of Honduras..." :sigh:

                          Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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                          73Zeppelin
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                          I too am performing an informal survey. Could you tell me which brand of anti-psychotics you are (or rather, have stopped) using?


                          "sh*thead ... f*** off and die" "Keep my words on your sig. I stand by them. (Which, incidently, doesn't make me a sociopath - it's personal.)" - Fred_Smith (on respect for living things)
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                            link[^]

                            The U.S. military believes it has dealt devastating and perhaps irreversible blows
                            to al-Qaeda in Iraq in recent months, leading some generals to advocate a declaration
                            of victory over the group, which the Bush administration has long described as the most
                            lethal U.S. adversary in Iraq.
                            ...
                            The deployment of more U.S. and Iraqi forces into AQI strongholds in Anbar province and
                            the Baghdad area, as well as the recruitment of Sunni tribal fighters to combat AQI
                            operatives in those locations, has helped to deprive the militants of a secure base of
                            operations, U.S. military officials said. "They are less and less coordinated, more and
                            more fragmented," Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, the second-ranking U.S. commander in
                            Iraq, said recently. Describing frayed support structures and supply lines, Odierno
                            estimated that the group's capabilities have been "degraded" by 60 to 70 percent since
                            the beginning of the year.

                            And the missle defense shield that liberals claimed just two years ago was technically impossible is operational. Now when will we focus on the "impossible" task of tackling illegal immigration.


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                            Rob Graham
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                            Red Stateler wrote:

                            And the missle defense shield that liberals claimed just two years ago was technically impossible is operational.

                            And just in time too, since it's a good bet that President Hillary isn't going to spend another dime on it. OBTW, didn't we declare victory in Iraq several YEARS ago? Why are we doing it (prematurely) again?

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                              The U.S. military believes it has dealt devastating and perhaps irreversible blows
                              to al-Qaeda in Iraq in recent months, leading some generals to advocate a declaration
                              of victory over the group, which the Bush administration has long described as the most
                              lethal U.S. adversary in Iraq.
                              ...
                              The deployment of more U.S. and Iraqi forces into AQI strongholds in Anbar province and
                              the Baghdad area, as well as the recruitment of Sunni tribal fighters to combat AQI
                              operatives in those locations, has helped to deprive the militants of a secure base of
                              operations, U.S. military officials said. "They are less and less coordinated, more and
                              more fragmented," Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, the second-ranking U.S. commander in
                              Iraq, said recently. Describing frayed support structures and supply lines, Odierno
                              estimated that the group's capabilities have been "degraded" by 60 to 70 percent since
                              the beginning of the year.

                              And the missle defense shield that liberals claimed just two years ago was technically impossible is operational. Now when will we focus on the "impossible" task of tackling illegal immigration.


                              Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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                              Of course you know that any good news, potential or real, will immediately become merely a small part of a much larger conspiracy for world domination by Bush, Cheney and hordes of evil neo-cons. It is much more important to focus on the embittered harping of NYT hacks or retired generals. Shame on you!!

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                                Ah! I thought it wasn't aimed at the Russian threat. May be we are being misled to its real purpose.

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                                Dan Neely
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                                It's not at present. We're only building 100 interceptors and basing them all along the left coast which should allow us to suppress a strike from China or North Korea. Russia would still be able to saturate our defenses, or they could shoot over the Atlantic and bypass them instead. Eventually progress with laser based systems might allow us to ride out a full scale Russian attack, but we're not there with current hardware.

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                                  Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                                  "No one could have predicted that the terrorists would launch their missiles from the (unacknowledged US base in the) jungles of Honduras..."

                                  Not another conspiracy theory :( OT Did you see you mate on yesterdays BBCtv's Politics Show - you would have thought he would have said something new - but no - same old stuff.

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                                  Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                                  conspiracy theory

                                  Where? What conspiracy? If you want to know about illegal, unacknowledged ( as in not approved by congress or appearing on anyones legal accounts ) US bases in Honduras ask John Negreponte, UN ambassador last time I checked. He ran them for years. Not a theory merely a historical fact. The 'quote' in case you hadn't noticed was a play on Condi's statement about 9/11 that "No one could have predicted that terrorists would use planes as weapons." An extraordinary statement considering that the Pentagon did predict exactly that well before 9/11 and strangely enough so did I. The very first time George II was reported publicaly proclaiming that he could protect America from missles launched by rogue states, way back in 2000 I think, my immediate respone was, "You idiot, there are hundreds of missiles in the sky all over America already, they're called aeroplanes. How are you going to protect America from them." I wish I had been wrong then and I hope I'm wrong now but I wouldn't bet on it. OT I assume you mean Nigel. I didn't see it but if he said what he always says then I'm not surprised. He'll go on saying it for as long as it's true. What's your point?

                                  Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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                                    It's not at present. We're only building 100 interceptors and basing them all along the left coast which should allow us to suppress a strike from China or North Korea. Russia would still be able to saturate our defenses, or they could shoot over the Atlantic and bypass them instead. Eventually progress with laser based systems might allow us to ride out a full scale Russian attack, but we're not there with current hardware.

                                    -- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.

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                                    dan neely wrote:

                                    suppress a strike from China or North Korea

                                    Taking the missiles the long route home. An interesting concept.

                                    dan neely wrote:

                                    Russia would still be able to saturate our defenses

                                    Waste of time and money putting them in harms way.

                                    dan neely wrote:

                                    laser based systems

                                    Wasn't that a Ronald Reagan idea?

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                                      dan neely wrote:

                                      suppress a strike from China or North Korea

                                      Taking the missiles the long route home. An interesting concept.

                                      dan neely wrote:

                                      Russia would still be able to saturate our defenses

                                      Waste of time and money putting them in harms way.

                                      dan neely wrote:

                                      laser based systems

                                      Wasn't that a Ronald Reagan idea?

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                                      Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                                      Wasn't that a Ronald Reagan idea?

                                      Did you ever see the demo of the 'rail' gun firing a 1 inch cube of steel through 2 six inch thick bits of cast iron, sandwiching 100 New York telephone directories. It still makes me laugh when I remember the demonstrator ( classic 'scientist' about 5 feet tall with bottle glasses and a white coat ) picking up the smoking blackend remains of the 'bullet' from the pile of sandbags where it finally came a to a holt, with a pair of tongs almost as tall as he is and saying "All we have to do now is to design a guidance system that fits in there, ..pause.. and survives. Brilliant.:laugh:

                                      Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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                                        Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                                        conspiracy theory

                                        Where? What conspiracy? If you want to know about illegal, unacknowledged ( as in not approved by congress or appearing on anyones legal accounts ) US bases in Honduras ask John Negreponte, UN ambassador last time I checked. He ran them for years. Not a theory merely a historical fact. The 'quote' in case you hadn't noticed was a play on Condi's statement about 9/11 that "No one could have predicted that terrorists would use planes as weapons." An extraordinary statement considering that the Pentagon did predict exactly that well before 9/11 and strangely enough so did I. The very first time George II was reported publicaly proclaiming that he could protect America from missles launched by rogue states, way back in 2000 I think, my immediate respone was, "You idiot, there are hundreds of missiles in the sky all over America already, they're called aeroplanes. How are you going to protect America from them." I wish I had been wrong then and I hope I'm wrong now but I wouldn't bet on it. OT I assume you mean Nigel. I didn't see it but if he said what he always says then I'm not surprised. He'll go on saying it for as long as it's true. What's your point?

                                        Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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                                        Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                                        If you want to know about illegal, unacknowledged ( as in not approved by congress or appearing on anyones legal accounts ) US bases in Honduras ask John Negreponte, UN ambassador last time I checked. He ran them for years. Not a theory merely a historical fact.

                                        1980's wasn't it? Can't remember anything in more recent Honduras history though. But isn't Negreponte now involved in some Africa policy?

                                        Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                                        play on Condi's statement

                                        OK, your play on words is a little devious.

                                        Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                                        What's your point?

                                        No point, just an observation.

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                                          The U.S. military believes it has dealt devastating and perhaps irreversible blows
                                          to al-Qaeda in Iraq in recent months, leading some generals to advocate a declaration
                                          of victory over the group, which the Bush administration has long described as the most
                                          lethal U.S. adversary in Iraq.
                                          ...
                                          The deployment of more U.S. and Iraqi forces into AQI strongholds in Anbar province and
                                          the Baghdad area, as well as the recruitment of Sunni tribal fighters to combat AQI
                                          operatives in those locations, has helped to deprive the militants of a secure base of
                                          operations, U.S. military officials said. "They are less and less coordinated, more and
                                          more fragmented," Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, the second-ranking U.S. commander in
                                          Iraq, said recently. Describing frayed support structures and supply lines, Odierno
                                          estimated that the group's capabilities have been "degraded" by 60 to 70 percent since
                                          the beginning of the year.

                                          And the missle defense shield that liberals claimed just two years ago was technically impossible is operational. Now when will we focus on the "impossible" task of tackling illegal immigration.


                                          Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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                                          The report was issued by the military. Not exactly an impartial report. I am skeptical.

                                          Hey! I finally found a picture of myself!

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