VSS against the rules
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peterchen wrote:
But my coworkers insist on checkout/checkin.
I think subversion has a checkout/checkin mode. I've read it in the docs, but I haven't used it because it's lame.
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Andy Brummer wrote:
because it's lame.
SVN, checkout/checkin mode, or reading docs? :D
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Andy Brummer wrote:
because it's lame.
SVN, checkout/checkin mode, or reading docs? :D
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My first real C# project | Linkify!|FoldWithUs! | sighistThe second two. :doh:
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peterchen wrote:
Permission system is not really working
That point scares me a little. The VSS permission system was developed my Microsoft, was it? They also developed the permission systems of Windows, Exchange, [insert MS project of you choice] and so on. What if only the UI developers have failed for VSS ... and the permission leaks are the same in every product? Since I got to know VSS I can't trust MS products anymore. :suss:
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It looks very much fitted on top of an existing system, which rarely can succeed. They probably secured the outside calls, but some inner cross-calls slipped through. The only chance would be fitting it on bottom, but that's usually a problem because you don't have the necessary information at that point. VSS is one of the more neglected softwares by Microsoft, always being semi-abandoned. Some stuff works well, some stuff works usually well, and some stuff you better avoid.
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peterchen wrote:
But my coworkers insist on checkout/checkin.
Ugh, that scales much worse than edit/merge. Drove me absolutely mad the last time I used it after years of SVN and CVS. I stayed in late and ported the repository to subversion after about week 3.
How many people you are talking about? We are 4 here, on a large shared code base with fairly distinct responsibilities, so clashes are very rare. There's maybe a once-a-month call of "please checkin", which is ok, and everybody does remember to check in (usually). It doesn't scale all right, but I see why they prefer it - the actual value is the automatic "someone is changing this file, do you really want to change it, too" reminder, and merge requires a decision about code written by someone else. It also works only with good VS integration - just start typing, and it asks you if you want to check out this file, right-click and say "checkin". Would be a pain always having to switch to explorer. OTOH, merge puts a "Think!" reminder on the 'submit' process, stopping mindless checkins. (But as said, we work fairly well with it).
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peterchen wrote:
But my coworkers insist on checkout/checkin.
Try to make your coworkers better by showing them the wonderful tool known as Tortoise Merge. If that fails: get better coworkers (using preferred methods).
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I've tried to enable "concurrent checkouts" which seemed the best of two worlds: you get a reminder that someone else is already working on the file, but you can still merge (which is also fairly ok with the latest VSS update). They almost went ballistic. Can't blame them, they are engineers by profesison...
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I've tried to enable "concurrent checkouts" which seemed the best of two worlds: you get a reminder that someone else is already working on the file, but you can still merge (which is also fairly ok with the latest VSS update). They almost went ballistic. Can't blame them, they are engineers by profesison...
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My first real C# project | Linkify!|FoldWithUs! | sighistBut if they're engineers, you only have to show how it works and that it does work. :)
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How many people you are talking about? We are 4 here, on a large shared code base with fairly distinct responsibilities, so clashes are very rare. There's maybe a once-a-month call of "please checkin", which is ok, and everybody does remember to check in (usually). It doesn't scale all right, but I see why they prefer it - the actual value is the automatic "someone is changing this file, do you really want to change it, too" reminder, and merge requires a decision about code written by someone else. It also works only with good VS integration - just start typing, and it asks you if you want to check out this file, right-click and say "checkin". Would be a pain always having to switch to explorer. OTOH, merge puts a "Think!" reminder on the 'submit' process, stopping mindless checkins. (But as said, we work fairly well with it).
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My first real C# project | Linkify!|FoldWithUs! | sighistI guess it depends on your codebase and how whether you have developers assigned to discrete areas. Merge doesn't require intervention 99% of the time, once you get used to it you care less about editing the same files. I can see how that would be worrying though.
peterchen wrote:
Would be a pain always having to switch to explorer.
Ankhsvn works well now (except with 2005 web projects) and does a good job of svn integration.
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But if they're engineers, you only have to show how it works and that it does work. :)
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They ought to rename VSS to WSS on the German market. Wertlos Standard-Software. Was denkst du? ;)
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Virales Standard-System is okay, it even fits in English: viral standard system. Anyway, for the German market I'd prefer IQV: Ignorante Quellenverwaltung. To speak "modern Denglish", it must be SSS: Schrottige Sourcen-Schleuder. :laugh:
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