How smart is your management
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Absolutely astoundingly brilliant. Truly, it is an honor to work with individuals like these. Every aspect of their judgement carries with it all the hallmarks of superior intellect, fairness, and efficiency of execution towards a clearly defined goal. If I should stray, their calm and engaging guidance soon enlightens me as to the error of my ways. I am blessed.
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TechnoDev wrote:
are u being sarcastic or truthful
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And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?
TechnoDev wrote:
And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?
Go back to my office, turn on some music and continue on with what I am being paid to do. :rolleyes: A long time ago I decided that you should never take business personally. Never!
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And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?
TechnoDev wrote:
what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you.
Should they? If you believe that they should, and you feel not appreciated to your real value, leave. Follow your interest. The companies are sure following theirs. Find a better company that understands the value of people.
Cheers, Mircea "Pay people peanuts and you get monkeys" - David Ogilvy
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He works for The Code Project:)
Co-Author ASP.NET AJAX in Action
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And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?
TechnoDev wrote:
And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?
I find that most frustrating. There are times when I just want to shoot myself. I don't listen to myself, even when I know I'm right. But I do pretty good at appreciation. I take myself out to lunch, I enjoy a cup of hot chocolate when I want, and I gotta say this about myself, I never complain about my work hours or taking time off! Marc
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And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?
Something a lot of people in the trenches don't understand is that not all decisions are technical. Sometimes management makes what appear to be stupid decisions, but they have financial or contractual reasons to make them. In the trenches, we only see the "stupid" decision, and feel like we aren't be listened to. Do you have all the information? Then again, sometimes management really is stupid and is making stupid decisions. It's often hard to tell which is which ;) Other things to consider: 1) Are there people with more seniority and/or clout telling them other thigns? 2) How are you bringing these things to their attention? Are you boxing them into a corner and forcing them to defend their decisions? 3) Are you *SURE* you're right?
-- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
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Absolutely astoundingly brilliant. Truly, it is an honor to work with individuals like these. Every aspect of their judgement carries with it all the hallmarks of superior intellect, fairness, and efficiency of execution towards a clearly defined goal. If I should stray, their calm and engaging guidance soon enlightens me as to the error of my ways. I am blessed.
Tim Deveaux wrote:
Every aspect of their judgement carries with it all the hallmarks of superior intellect, fairness, and efficiency of execution towards a clearly defined goal.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Let's hope Chris sees this post :rolleyes:
Regards, Nish
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And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?
TechnoDev wrote:
How smart is your management
Don't know about them, but I am smart enough not to discuss my management on a public forum ;)
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And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?
Before I read other cp'ers response. I would say what I generally think of in such situations. I have to be sincere about delivering the point of view I have and leave itt to the "They have strategic goals may not be visible at this time" excuse. Have you ever been in a situation where you are cretin about something 100% and stand for to be reminded later that you forgot or misunderstood thing wrongly. I would not bet my bread and butter on conflict of opinions and how to run a show. This is part of being a team player. Regards Raz
Ghazi Hadi Al Wadi, PMP, ASQ SSGB, DBA
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He works for The Code Project:)
Co-Author ASP.NET AJAX in Action
From a point of view of a former coworker of Tim's ( who also plays better pool than he does!) I think everyone here should envy him. First for working on a place such as 500 - 250 Ferrand Drive and second to work on the cutting edge with those brilliant guys (Band Aid is within 150 feet from every employee :) ) , and finally for being himself. So I AM SURE HE IS NOT SARCASTIC. Tim! Er... are you?:~ Cheers Raz -- modified at 16:58 Saturday 27th October, 2007
Ghazi Hadi Al Wadi, PMP, ASQ SSGB, DBA
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TechnoDev wrote:
And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?
Go back to my office, turn on some music and continue on with what I am being paid to do. :rolleyes: A long time ago I decided that you should never take business personally. Never!
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesJust perfect!
Ghazi Hadi Al Wadi, PMP, ASQ SSGB, DBA
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Absolutely astoundingly brilliant. Truly, it is an honor to work with individuals like these. Every aspect of their judgement carries with it all the hallmarks of superior intellect, fairness, and efficiency of execution towards a clearly defined goal. If I should stray, their calm and engaging guidance soon enlightens me as to the error of my ways. I am blessed.
I bet you even ask what shade of lipstick to wear before you kiss their a**... :laugh:
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TechnoDev wrote:
And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?
I find that most frustrating. There are times when I just want to shoot myself. I don't listen to myself, even when I know I'm right. But I do pretty good at appreciation. I take myself out to lunch, I enjoy a cup of hot chocolate when I want, and I gotta say this about myself, I never complain about my work hours or taking time off! Marc
The sexual harassment cases are a bitch though, aren't they?
Software Zen:
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From a point of view of a former coworker of Tim's ( who also plays better pool than he does!) I think everyone here should envy him. First for working on a place such as 500 - 250 Ferrand Drive and second to work on the cutting edge with those brilliant guys (Band Aid is within 150 feet from every employee :) ) , and finally for being himself. So I AM SURE HE IS NOT SARCASTIC. Tim! Er... are you?:~ Cheers Raz -- modified at 16:58 Saturday 27th October, 2007
Ghazi Hadi Al Wadi, PMP, ASQ SSGB, DBA
"Band Aid is within 150 feet from every employee" Is this how you deal with cutting edge?
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And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?
I've had this recently, so I did the only thing I could - I left. For a number of years, I was listened to and felt valued, but then some changes in the placed meant that I felt that I wasn't being listened to or valued by the company. However, this was also roughly at the same time that the two of the only other three experienced people left as well... they lost a combined experience of about 15 years in a couple of months. It doesn't matter who you are, this has to hurt any company. But this is the sort of thing that management can cause, either deliberately or not. They may do it deliberately to cause a faster shift to create the culture they want by making the "older school" people leave (which does come at the cost of experience), so that they can refill the positions with the kind of people they want. Either way though, I believe that the people in management aren't often rated on this sort of thing, particularly if their financial targets are being met and/or exceeded. However, I now have a great boss who actually wants to listen to what I have to say, and he definitely listens. Granted, the suggestion may noy be implemented, but I've always understood why it wasn't as well, but it doesn't make me feel unappreciated with them. Often though, we will discuss the best way to proceed, and will take on board what I have to say, and modify the process that he had in mind to incorporate one or more of my ideas, or simply change to one of my suggestions. Ultimately in my case, leaving was the best decision I made. But I can appreciate that you're not always in a position to be able to do this.
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TechnoDev wrote:
And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?
I find that most frustrating. There are times when I just want to shoot myself. I don't listen to myself, even when I know I'm right. But I do pretty good at appreciation. I take myself out to lunch, I enjoy a cup of hot chocolate when I want, and I gotta say this about myself, I never complain about my work hours or taking time off! Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
I enjoy a cup of hot chocolate when I want
Mmmmmm...hot chocolate. Can you believe that my work has been out of hot chocolate in the drink bar for a week? :mad: Doesn't that constitute grounds for some kind of unfair work environment law suit or something?
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"Band Aid is within 150 feet from every employee" Is this how you deal with cutting edge?
Ninja (the Nerd)
Confused? You will be...Ninja-the-Nerd wrote:
"Band Aid is within 150 feet from every employee" Is this how you deal with cutting edge?
Gotta be prepared :cool::cool:
Ghazi Hadi Al Wadi, PMP, ASQ SSGB, DBA
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TechnoDev wrote:
How smart is your management
Don't know about them, but I am smart enough not to discuss my management on a public forum ;)
That's because you use your real name as a user name. I don't think TechnoDev has that stigma.
This statement was never false.
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And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?
I've been thinking about this for a couple of days. What are we? We build software. More like a mixture of engineer and carpenter depending on your situation. Most important is the customer. The end user and what their needs are. In my experience I find that the issues I have with management are my lack of understanding the customer. I think of it all from the perspective of someone who lives with the code, the system, and all of the nuances involved there. So I make suggestions and take actions that in the end aren't always in the best interest of the customer even though I think they are in the best interest of the software. If its a personality issue, then you should sit down and express yourself. But keep it about the business. Don't let it be personal. Most likely management is making their decisions on many factors, of which, only a few truly involve your work. So, try not to take is so personal, and speak your mind. Otherwise, really, your only course is to just move on. But think of this: How many times have you thought this at a company? If only once, then maybe the issues are unique, but if you found this at your last company, and find this at a future one, then maybe, just maybe the issue lies with you. I don't think we benefit from focusing on ourselves so much as focusing on what is best for the customer in the end. I know I have a hard time with it. I want to do the best work from an engineering perspective, but in the end its the customer that matters the most and the reason we do what we do, regardless of whether that customer is internal or external.
This statement was never false.