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http://www.eweek.com/article2/0%2C1895%2C2210900%2C00.asp[^] Not so smug now eh?
Apathy Rules - I suppose...
Yeah, wow, I am gutted. I mean... holy crap, what a security hole. 1. You have to visit a porn site 2. Agree to download the DMG 3. Open the DMG 4. Double click the install.pkg 5. Enter your system password 6. Finish the installation How the hell can Apple let that happen? They really shouldn't be letting us mere mortals install stuff on our Macs. They should lock it down like the iPhone! :rolleyes: Trojans like this confuse me. How is it an operating system problem that a user installs malicious software? Signing software doesn't work too well either so that isn't a solution. And I feel the same way for Windows. Trojans shouldn't be counted in the same way self-spreading viruses do. When you find a Mac virus that can infect my computer just by visiting a website and not clicking Yes to anything, tell me.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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Yeah, wow, I am gutted. I mean... holy crap, what a security hole. 1. You have to visit a porn site 2. Agree to download the DMG 3. Open the DMG 4. Double click the install.pkg 5. Enter your system password 6. Finish the installation How the hell can Apple let that happen? They really shouldn't be letting us mere mortals install stuff on our Macs. They should lock it down like the iPhone! :rolleyes: Trojans like this confuse me. How is it an operating system problem that a user installs malicious software? Signing software doesn't work too well either so that isn't a solution. And I feel the same way for Windows. Trojans shouldn't be counted in the same way self-spreading viruses do. When you find a Mac virus that can infect my computer just by visiting a website and not clicking Yes to anything, tell me.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
You forget that the greater percentage (trying hard not to exaggerate to get my point across here!) of computer users (PC & Mac) outside the industry are basically ignorant of what they're doing. When they do manage to complete the steps needed to install this trojan it will certainly be Apples fault because they didn't do anything wrong :sigh: Also remember that this need not neccesarily originate on a porn site even if it does in this case, and will not say 'I'm a virus click on me' but will be disguised in such a way to appeal to these kind of people eg 'click here to receive free hotdogs for life' and 'run install.pkg to begin receiving hotdogs' :)
Apathy Rules - I suppose...
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Yeah, wow, I am gutted. I mean... holy crap, what a security hole. 1. You have to visit a porn site 2. Agree to download the DMG 3. Open the DMG 4. Double click the install.pkg 5. Enter your system password 6. Finish the installation How the hell can Apple let that happen? They really shouldn't be letting us mere mortals install stuff on our Macs. They should lock it down like the iPhone! :rolleyes: Trojans like this confuse me. How is it an operating system problem that a user installs malicious software? Signing software doesn't work too well either so that isn't a solution. And I feel the same way for Windows. Trojans shouldn't be counted in the same way self-spreading viruses do. When you find a Mac virus that can infect my computer just by visiting a website and not clicking Yes to anything, tell me.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
Yeah, it's a user stupidity error, rather than an OS problem. I've witnessed plenty of cases where people complain that their PC is really slow, crashes lots, etc. When you check, you find they've managed to install every single available bit of spyware out there, yet insist that they've never installed anything, and it just started doing that. :laugh::sigh::((
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You forget that the greater percentage (trying hard not to exaggerate to get my point across here!) of computer users (PC & Mac) outside the industry are basically ignorant of what they're doing. When they do manage to complete the steps needed to install this trojan it will certainly be Apples fault because they didn't do anything wrong :sigh: Also remember that this need not neccesarily originate on a porn site even if it does in this case, and will not say 'I'm a virus click on me' but will be disguised in such a way to appeal to these kind of people eg 'click here to receive free hotdogs for life' and 'run install.pkg to begin receiving hotdogs' :)
Apathy Rules - I suppose...
Yes but your original point of "not so smug now" is bollocks. No offense :)
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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Yes but your original point of "not so smug now" is bollocks. No offense :)
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
Your saying that Apple have never said "haha PC's are crap because they have security problems and we don't!"? obviously not in those exact words ... but they have been pushing that sentiment for a long time ... and now they *do* have security problems. If they hadn't been smug all along then people wouldn't be sniggering in their faces ... but heh .. they were :P
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Your saying that Apple have never said "haha PC's are crap because they have security problems and we don't!"? obviously not in those exact words ... but they have been pushing that sentiment for a long time ... and now they *do* have security problems. If they hadn't been smug all along then people wouldn't be sniggering in their faces ... but heh .. they were :P
I'm not smug about it. Only the marketing folks and the people who fell for the marketing hype were smug. I don't like the Apple superiority complex, I'd prefer Jobs and co. didn't tow that line. Saying that; I am still more secure on Mac OS X. Fact. If Windows becomes more secure one day then I will say so.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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Yes but your original point of "not so smug now" is bollocks. No offense :)
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
Maybe you think its bollocks but you're obviously one of the smarter computer users (being a CP regular) and I still think the less smart users I referred to will find the possibility worrying. Still I don't really care, I'm not high enough on the social scale to know any Mac users anyway :)
Apathy Rules - I suppose...
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Your saying that Apple have never said "haha PC's are crap because they have security problems and we don't!"? obviously not in those exact words ... but they have been pushing that sentiment for a long time ... and now they *do* have security problems. If they hadn't been smug all along then people wouldn't be sniggering in their faces ... but heh .. they were :P
originSH wrote:
and now they *do* have security problems.
being able to run a program the user approves is a security problem ? seems like that's lowering the bar quite a bit. it's like complaining that my car has a safety problem because it will drive into a tree at 100mph if i tell it to.
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originSH wrote:
and now they *do* have security problems.
being able to run a program the user approves is a security problem ? seems like that's lowering the bar quite a bit. it's like complaining that my car has a safety problem because it will drive into a tree at 100mph if i tell it to.
Most virus attacks are down to the users stupidty/ignorance, that doesn't stop everyone saying that Microsoft are bad for allowing it. They don't realise or don't care that running a PC without virus protection because in most cases all it does is slow down the computer. Its pretty obvious that running a car into a tree will result in pretty serious problems other than the fact that the car will slow down a bit! (still doesn't stop some numbnuts from trying though)
Apathy Rules - I suppose...
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Yeah, wow, I am gutted. I mean... holy crap, what a security hole. 1. You have to visit a porn site 2. Agree to download the DMG 3. Open the DMG 4. Double click the install.pkg 5. Enter your system password 6. Finish the installation How the hell can Apple let that happen? They really shouldn't be letting us mere mortals install stuff on our Macs. They should lock it down like the iPhone! :rolleyes: Trojans like this confuse me. How is it an operating system problem that a user installs malicious software? Signing software doesn't work too well either so that isn't a solution. And I feel the same way for Windows. Trojans shouldn't be counted in the same way self-spreading viruses do. When you find a Mac virus that can infect my computer just by visiting a website and not clicking Yes to anything, tell me.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
It seems like a perfectly reasonable scenario to me. Visit a porn site, get screwed. Am I missing something here?
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Coming soon: Got a career question? Ask the Attack Chihuahua! www.PracticalUSA.com
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It seems like a perfectly reasonable scenario to me. Visit a porn site, get screwed. Am I missing something here?
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Coming soon: Got a career question? Ask the Attack Chihuahua! www.PracticalUSA.com
You have obviously never visited a porn site. You visit but you never get screwed. *sigh After awhile I went back to the gambling sites. I got regularly screwed there.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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You have obviously never visited a porn site. You visit but you never get screwed. *sigh After awhile I went back to the gambling sites. I got regularly screwed there.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
:laugh:
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Coming soon: Got a career question? Ask the Attack Chihuahua! www.PracticalUSA.com
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Most virus attacks are down to the users stupidty/ignorance, that doesn't stop everyone saying that Microsoft are bad for allowing it. They don't realise or don't care that running a PC without virus protection because in most cases all it does is slow down the computer. Its pretty obvious that running a car into a tree will result in pretty serious problems other than the fact that the car will slow down a bit! (still doesn't stop some numbnuts from trying though)
Apathy Rules - I suppose...
Eh, no, Microsoft *are* bad at security. People got infected simply by connecting to the internet or opening an email in Outlook etc. Bugs in code and design that were exploited and took too long to patch.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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Eh, no, Microsoft *are* bad at security. People got infected simply by connecting to the internet or opening an email in Outlook etc. Bugs in code and design that were exploited and took too long to patch.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.