WWII....
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I don't mean to offend anyone,but i think the allies in wwII should have delayed the war for the couple months needed to finish the 'A' bomb?. I think if there was ever any nation that deserved the atomic bomb, Germany was the one. The Japanese got what they deserved,but those Nazi loving germans should have gotten it too. People who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.
Geez, kinda long time to hold a grudge man. :rolleyes: Chris
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I don't mean to offend anyone,but i think the allies in wwII should have delayed the war for the couple months needed to finish the 'A' bomb?. I think if there was ever any nation that deserved the atomic bomb, Germany was the one. The Japanese got what they deserved,but those Nazi loving germans should have gotten it too. People who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.
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There were no innocent germans. You should be ashame of yourself. I'd advice you to watch quite a bit of history channel and you will be convinced. When you think about what the germans were up to, it horrofies me. If these people thougth that if you didn't have green eyes blonde hair you were inferior and shold die, imagine what would have happended once they conquered the world. I am sure they would have started having people in places like africa and asia as meat for dinner.Do u know about medical experiments of unimaginable cruelty? You try and get yourself informed before u refer to germans as innocent. I personally am still suspicious of them.
Edd wrote: There were no innocent germans. What about Oscar Schindler? He seemed OK to me. Perhaps what you meant to say was there were no innocent Germans living in Germany at the time. The non-Nazis fled the country in droves, exactly the same way I would if a totalitarian dictatorship arose in Canada.... Wait a minute. Sorry all. I gotta go and pack my bags. ;) Why not throw away a dime? I throw away ten pennies all the time.
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I think Cristian is very ignorant of these fact. There are films of japanese civilians jumping from cliffs instead of living under occupation. But I doubt the bombs weren't ready when the war in europe was over. I think it was a delebrate effort on the part of the allies not to drop the bomb on germans, cause they were europians(prejudise of the worst kind).I still recent them for that. And still hate germans.
Edd wrote: And still hate germans Still? Maybe you should check your History channel once more. I hope what you meant to say is you still hate Nazis. To call everyone who is German a Nazi even to this day is the lowest form of knee-jerk ignorance. You ought to rethink that one. :( Why not throw away a dime? I throw away ten pennies all the time.
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There were no innocent germans. You should be ashame of yourself. I'd advice you to watch quite a bit of history channel and you will be convinced. When you think about what the germans were up to, it horrofies me. If these people thougth that if you didn't have green eyes blonde hair you were inferior and shold die, imagine what would have happended once they conquered the world. I am sure they would have started having people in places like africa and asia as meat for dinner.Do u know about medical experiments of unimaginable cruelty? You try and get yourself informed before u refer to germans as innocent. I personally am still suspicious of them.
If you are serious then you should seek medical help instantly ! Quit watching the History Channel ( I like it quite a bit myself but they are biased also ) and read some history about the rise and fall of the Nazi movement. The average German citizen had little choice in the matter if they wanted to survive. Remember that the victors usually write the history and that you should not judge the actions of others in view of your own culture alone but should try to see thru the eyes of their culture. Would it shock you to know that many lives were lost during the war for political reasons and that military decisions made to make Britian and France look good cost us dearly. Do you really think that if we had had the bomb in time to use against Germany that we would have used it? The war in Europe was basically won by the middle of 44. The big fear in Japan was not that we would lose but that fanatical resistance would cost so many lives. The bomb was used not as a weapon of war but to convince the Japanese Gov. that there was no other course but surrender. As so it worked - and may we never have to use it again. Richard Monarchies, aristocracies, and religions....there was never a country where the majority of the people were in their secret hearts loyal to any of these institutions. Mark Twain - The Mysterious Stranger
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Martin Marvinski wrote: Remember the Chilean dictator? Aparthid in Africa? And in another message you wrote: Every time Americans kick a country's a** well, they always reform and become good citizens history has shown. And wasn't CIA involved with Pinochet? What were the countries that didn't apply sanctions against south african government? And do you remember who decide that mr. Saddam Hussein was a good democratic leader that could help in the fight against Iran? I'm Italian and I've deep respect to all the Americans that fight and died (with many Italian partisans) to free my country from fascism and nazism, but I think that the credit they gain with those actions can't stop the criticism against their errors. History is not all black (bad) or white (good). Only action movies work in this way, and recognize errors is a good way to avoid to made the same mistakes in the future. -- Looking for a new screen-saver? Try FOYD: http://digilander.iol.it/FOYD
And do you remember who decide that mr. Saddam Hussein was a good democratic leader that could help in the fight against Iran? I don't think anyone viewed Saddam as a "good democratic leader". I think the US supported Hussein because they believed he was the lesser of two evils when Iraq and Iran were fighting. Remember that there was a revolution in Iran in 1979. The new leader held a bunch of Americans hostage, and the new government was very anti-US. (They still call the US the "Great Satan".) Within a few months, Iraq and Iran were fighting. Does it seem surprising that the US helped the Iraqis in light of the regime in Iran?
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I've seen them. At least you guys did it to yourselves - the Brits used Aussie troops to perform similar tests, on OUR soil. But it's not the same as dropping it on a city, to see how many you can kill and the long term effects on those who live. If the US wasn't performing science as diabolical as anything the Nazis did, why were the two bombs they used not the same type ? Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
OK I've listened to your uninformed bleating long enough. They used two types of bombs because thats all they had. They produced enough plutoinium and U-235 to make 3 bombs. They tested the first U-235 bomb at the Trinity site. They had two left see 3-1=2. No plot here. They dropped one and Japan still did not see the light so they dropped the other ( not even being real sure that it would work). If Japan had not capitulated at that point it would have been a while before we had another. And many AMERICAN lives would have been lost on an invasion of Japan that the use of the bomb made unneccessary. I guess we were not really thinking about the Japanese senseabilities when we made that decision. It was, however, the correct one. Richard Monarchies, aristocracies, and religions....there was never a country where the majority of the people were in their secret hearts loyal to any of these institutions. Mark Twain - The Mysterious Stranger
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I don't mean to offend anyone,but i think the allies in wwII should have delayed the war for the couple months needed to finish the 'A' bomb?. I think if there was ever any nation that deserved the atomic bomb, Germany was the one. The Japanese got what they deserved,but those Nazi loving germans should have gotten it too. People who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.
The Germans paid pretty heavily without hitting them with an atomic weapon. Not only were there cities destroyed, but what was left in Eastern Germany was taken by the Russians and many Germans were made to do forced labor in Russia after the war. I think Germany paid a much heavier price in the war than Japan. True, Japan was hit by two atomic weapons, but overall, their cities weren't destroyed like Germany's were. As bad as the German Nazis were, I don't think it would've been better to use atomic weapons on Germans in general. The Nazis lost power and Germany reformed. I don't see the point in killing any more people than necessary to accomplish that.
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I think Cristian is very ignorant of these fact. There are films of japanese civilians jumping from cliffs instead of living under occupation. But I doubt the bombs weren't ready when the war in europe was over. I think it was a delebrate effort on the part of the allies not to drop the bomb on germans, cause they were europians(prejudise of the worst kind).I still recent them for that. And still hate germans.
But I doubt the bombs weren't ready when the war in europe was over. I think it was a delebrate effort on the part of the allies not to drop the bomb on germans, cause they were europians(prejudise of the worst kind).I still recent them for that. And still hate germans. Or maybe they weren't ready. May 7, 1945 - Germany surrenders unconditionally. July 16, 1945 - U.S. explodes first atomic bomb, the Trinity test, at Alamogordo.
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OK I've listened to your uninformed bleating long enough. They used two types of bombs because thats all they had. They produced enough plutoinium and U-235 to make 3 bombs. They tested the first U-235 bomb at the Trinity site. They had two left see 3-1=2. No plot here. They dropped one and Japan still did not see the light so they dropped the other ( not even being real sure that it would work). If Japan had not capitulated at that point it would have been a while before we had another. And many AMERICAN lives would have been lost on an invasion of Japan that the use of the bomb made unneccessary. I guess we were not really thinking about the Japanese senseabilities when we made that decision. It was, however, the correct one. Richard Monarchies, aristocracies, and religions....there was never a country where the majority of the people were in their secret hearts loyal to any of these institutions. Mark Twain - The Mysterious Stranger
Richard Stringer wrote: OK I've listened to your uninformed bleating long enough. Blah, blah, blah. Richard Stringer wrote: I guess we were not really thinking about the Japanese senseabilities when we made that decision. It was, however, the correct one. I continue to maintain that the targets chosen had no military value and that there is no excuse for killing people who have nothing to do with the military as an act of war. That some sort of bombing was a better alternative to an invasion is clear, but what the hell was Japan going to do ? Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002