voice programming?
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Anyone know of any thing in this area? My project leader and I were discussing the pain in my hands, which although I am managing it, it is very distracting and disrupts concentration. Although it is not repetative stress or any of the usual computer injuries, and the doctors are starting to hunt for the less common possibilities, life must go on. My project leader was wondering if there was anything that could bypass the hands and still allow programming, voice was the obvious discussion. Although my usual joke not withstanding, ("hey Fred, lets go to lunch. Computer: going to launch... lift off!") I guess I am seriously in the market. If there is anything that can move the pressure off my hands and still allow me to program, he'll buy it. Cost is an issue, but he'll wheel and deel if necessary, so it is not as big of an issue as it might seem. Anyone with ideas?
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
yeah i think for now im going to say pound ... using ... system ... period ... security ... cryptography ... enter ... enter ... public ... class ... my ... backspace ... project ... enter LMAO!
Software Developer / IT Instructor Jayzon Ragasa Baguio City, Philippines
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Anyone know of any thing in this area? My project leader and I were discussing the pain in my hands, which although I am managing it, it is very distracting and disrupts concentration. Although it is not repetative stress or any of the usual computer injuries, and the doctors are starting to hunt for the less common possibilities, life must go on. My project leader was wondering if there was anything that could bypass the hands and still allow programming, voice was the obvious discussion. Although my usual joke not withstanding, ("hey Fred, lets go to lunch. Computer: going to launch... lift off!") I guess I am seriously in the market. If there is anything that can move the pressure off my hands and still allow me to program, he'll buy it. Cost is an issue, but he'll wheel and deel if necessary, so it is not as big of an issue as it might seem. Anyone with ideas?
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Here's what I would try if I would in your position. I'd start with Say-Now's interface to Microsoft SAPI (say-now.com) for voice commands and dictation [$14]. It does take a little while (20 minutes for me) to train Windows to recognize your voice. Next, I'd check out RunRevolution Studio (runrev.com) with the Transcript programming language for desktop programming [$399]. Of all the languages I'm (somewhat) familiar with, Transcript is appears to be most similar to English and seems amenable to speech-based input. I'd also look at The Foot/Slipper Mouse (bilila.com) [$199].
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Get a whipping boy. Then you can tell them what to type. Easy.
My current favourite word is: PIE! I have changed my name to my regular internet alias. But don't let the 'Genius' part fool you, you don't know what 'SK' stands for. -
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El Corazon wrote:
Anyone know of any thing in this area?
I can only imagine your torture. :(( I've worked with programming voice, but not as you desire. I've taken the raw libraries, composed my own recognizable word-sets, and done some rather intricate stuff. I have not tried to input programmer context, however. You can get an SDK for Dragon Speaking and for Fonix, and these work ok, but too many errors for my liking (in an industrial environment with background noise, not good at all). The best I came across used the IBM voice engine, however I could not get at the low-level functions or SDK. It worked the best, however, even though it was not fine tuned. Here's an idea. Have your boss hire me as your minion, and I'll develop the voice-input capability alongside typing your code. We can sell it to a few others and become independently wealthy. Lower our work-days to something reasonable, and eliminate the second job. I assume we'll want C++, not COBOL? :laugh:
Gary
ghle wrote:
Here's an idea. Have your boss hire me as your minion, and I'll develop the voice-input capability alongside typing your code. We can sell it to a few others and become independently wealthy. Lower our work-days to something reasonable, and eliminate the second job.
We're already hiring minions.[^] The rest, well, work doesn't have any interest in additional profit. Not of my work is sold for profit.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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bmoore3447 wrote:
that does not explain the burning and swelling as well as other symptoms.
have they tested for Lupis and Rhumetoid arthritis? My last doc refused to even examine other possibilities than nerve, it wasn't that so it will go away.... I switched doctors at least to rule out Arthritis because my grandfather had a case without burning and swelling. She tested that and half a dozen other things without question. I never even considered Lupis or endemic strep. I am not too worried about those, I think that would be a long-shot, but at least she is tryng, and that is all I ask. The other doctor stopped trying after the first obvious choice. "Hey, wasn't carpal tunnel or neuropathy, so take two asperin and call me next week." I don't ask much, I just want them to keep looking. My sister-in-law has arthritis with the standard swelling and burning. My grandfather's escaped the docs for a long time before he couldn't handle the pain any longer. It actually didn't start swelling until they started trying to treat the arthritis. It was just pain and more pain.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Yeah i was tested for both came back negative. My RH factor was normal .. that indicates RA but which is the closest thing I could find to match my symptoms. In the end they came back its just nerve damage, with my meds its undercontrol cept when i get sick .. i am going to wait a little while longer. Then I will go back again and see if anything else popped up.
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I'm not a user myself, but I have helped others with Dragon, and some years ago IBM Clear Type. We currently use Dragon and for normal stuff it is excellent - needs minimal training and works pretty well out of the box. Given that it copes with punctuation for normal dictation, you may be able to extend this to cope with some programming constructs. The professional edition supports scripting and macros - but I have never used this.Link[^] The only other issue, that should be no problem for someone with a technical background, is that it works best if you are very pedantic - you must correct its mistakes as it is always learning. (At the end of every session you are asked if you want to save the user files - somedays - e.g. if you have a cold, you choose not to to make sure that it didn't learn anything today)
Peter "Until the invention of the computer, the machine gun was the device that enabled humans to make the most mistakes in the smallest amount of time."
cp9876 wrote:
I'm not a user myself, but I have helped others with Dragon, and some years ago IBM Clear Type. We currently use Dragon and for normal stuff it is excellent - needs minimal training and works pretty well out of the box. Given that it copes with punctuation for normal dictation, you may be able to extend this to cope with some programming constructs. The professional edition supports scripting and macros
@All Well, I'm writing that to you all as someone with some experience in this field. I have some strong physical disabilities (90%+), and so I'm forced to use V.R. for writing my code, and also writing anything. I'm also using Dragon Naturally Speaking professional edition. Great solution! My personal opinion is similar to that by TomMayne. It can be done but not right out of the box. You will need to make some preparations. The first thing is that you have to adapt yourself to that kind of programming. However, with the little help of intellisence in VS2005 it is simpler. The important things are the special macros or scripts that you can make and use in Dragon. Especially they may be bound to only one special program (i.e. VS2005) so you have many options how to integrate them f. e. for use with VS2005. It will take some time to get all things adapted to each other but afterwards it may work well. Additionally, don't forget to use Code Snippets in VS2005! I'm sure you all noticed that English isn’t my native language. So there is just one little drawback with Dragon! I need very often to switch between native and English language, and that is an awkward process. You have to save all changes that Dragon have made to his language database and wait a bit, then load the other language and wait a bit again. However I believe this isn't so important to all of us. @thrakazog Well a bit OT but... About 'ctrl-alt-delete' and other key combinations... there is a software solution inside windows as well as some HW solutions on special keyboards. So for example you have to press the keys one after another. It works great when u need to get into bios at boot time. It works with just one finger, a pen, or whatever! ;) -- NPow
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Anyone know of any thing in this area? My project leader and I were discussing the pain in my hands, which although I am managing it, it is very distracting and disrupts concentration. Although it is not repetative stress or any of the usual computer injuries, and the doctors are starting to hunt for the less common possibilities, life must go on. My project leader was wondering if there was anything that could bypass the hands and still allow programming, voice was the obvious discussion. Although my usual joke not withstanding, ("hey Fred, lets go to lunch. Computer: going to launch... lift off!") I guess I am seriously in the market. If there is anything that can move the pressure off my hands and still allow me to program, he'll buy it. Cost is an issue, but he'll wheel and deel if necessary, so it is not as big of an issue as it might seem. Anyone with ideas?
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Yes, forget the fancy software, hire an intern to do the typing for you. Kinda like extreme or agile or whatever silly name it has now but instead of two separate programmers think of it as one brain (you) and a body (intern).
More people died from worry than ever bled to death. - RAH
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cp9876 wrote:
I'm not a user myself, but I have helped others with Dragon, and some years ago IBM Clear Type. We currently use Dragon and for normal stuff it is excellent - needs minimal training and works pretty well out of the box. Given that it copes with punctuation for normal dictation, you may be able to extend this to cope with some programming constructs. The professional edition supports scripting and macros
@All Well, I'm writing that to you all as someone with some experience in this field. I have some strong physical disabilities (90%+), and so I'm forced to use V.R. for writing my code, and also writing anything. I'm also using Dragon Naturally Speaking professional edition. Great solution! My personal opinion is similar to that by TomMayne. It can be done but not right out of the box. You will need to make some preparations. The first thing is that you have to adapt yourself to that kind of programming. However, with the little help of intellisence in VS2005 it is simpler. The important things are the special macros or scripts that you can make and use in Dragon. Especially they may be bound to only one special program (i.e. VS2005) so you have many options how to integrate them f. e. for use with VS2005. It will take some time to get all things adapted to each other but afterwards it may work well. Additionally, don't forget to use Code Snippets in VS2005! I'm sure you all noticed that English isn’t my native language. So there is just one little drawback with Dragon! I need very often to switch between native and English language, and that is an awkward process. You have to save all changes that Dragon have made to his language database and wait a bit, then load the other language and wait a bit again. However I believe this isn't so important to all of us. @thrakazog Well a bit OT but... About 'ctrl-alt-delete' and other key combinations... there is a software solution inside windows as well as some HW solutions on special keyboards. So for example you have to press the keys one after another. It works great when u need to get into bios at boot time. It works with just one finger, a pen, or whatever! ;) -- NPow
NPow wrote:
I'm sure you all noticed that English isn’t my native language.
actually, like >95% of people I see apologizing for this, your English is better than what >95% of native speakers are typing into their keyboards. :rose:
-- Help Stamp Out and Abolish Redundancy The preceding is courtesy of the Department of Unnecessarily Redundant Repetition Department.
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Scott Hanselman has blogged about it a little bit. See here[^] and here[^]. Whether he actually does coding with it, though, I don't know. Best to ask him for the details.
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Here, here to Scott Hanselman, this was the very first thing that I thought of... However, one of the Dot Net Rocks hosts (Carl Franklin) has also mentioned issues with his hands (he even mentions trying one of those "keyboards on a ball" as a I recall). I don't normally advise spamming the top bloggers, but it may be worth e-mailing one of them. I would also hit the standard "alternative therapies": massage therapy, yoga / tai-chi, acupuncture, etc. (maybe even a few together, tai-chi + massage therapy?). The body is deeply interconnected, things like overly tense hamstrings can cause lower back pain, bad balance in your back can cause hand pain, etc. You may be doing "the exercises", but you're probably not making any headway on the problem b/c you started too late. In gaming terms, it's like your body has like a 1000 points of damage on it and you're only healing 1 point / day :) This would be fine if you were close to zero, but you're just way past that point so you need some other form of intervention. No amount of drugs can magically fix things like back alignment and range of movement, so I would personally suggest a registered massage therapist (based on my own experiences). I would also try Tai-Chi, it's very good for fixing up problems with the hips and the back (though it is a long process). Gates VP
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NPow wrote:
I'm sure you all noticed that English isn’t my native language.
actually, like >95% of people I see apologizing for this, your English is better than what >95% of native speakers are typing into their keyboards. :rose:
-- Help Stamp Out and Abolish Redundancy The preceding is courtesy of the Department of Unnecessarily Redundant Repetition Department.
dan neely wrote:
actually, like >95% of people I see apologizing for this, your English is better than what >95% of native speakers are typing into their keyboards.
Well... I'm a bit surprised... really. :-O Thank you for this nice and big compliment! However, this isn't all my personal earning. There are so many different tools here doing some great work for me. So I have learned using things like Word to check spelling, and the most important, to check grammar! ;) Well, to stay on-topic... V.R. is doing also a great work about a correct spelling! :-D -- NPow
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Anyone know of any thing in this area? My project leader and I were discussing the pain in my hands, which although I am managing it, it is very distracting and disrupts concentration. Although it is not repetative stress or any of the usual computer injuries, and the doctors are starting to hunt for the less common possibilities, life must go on. My project leader was wondering if there was anything that could bypass the hands and still allow programming, voice was the obvious discussion. Although my usual joke not withstanding, ("hey Fred, lets go to lunch. Computer: going to launch... lift off!") I guess I am seriously in the market. If there is anything that can move the pressure off my hands and still allow me to program, he'll buy it. Cost is an issue, but he'll wheel and deel if necessary, so it is not as big of an issue as it might seem. Anyone with ideas?
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Sounds like someone needs to throw something together for you.
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Get a whipping boy. Then you can tell them what to type. Easy.
My current favourite word is: PIE! I have changed my name to my regular internet alias. But don't let the 'Genius' part fool you, you don't know what 'SK' stands for. -
The UndefeatedNow thats a novel idea, it may be a bit slow at first, but it would be a great way to train someone new, and at the same time save your hands
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Anyone know of any thing in this area? My project leader and I were discussing the pain in my hands, which although I am managing it, it is very distracting and disrupts concentration. Although it is not repetative stress or any of the usual computer injuries, and the doctors are starting to hunt for the less common possibilities, life must go on. My project leader was wondering if there was anything that could bypass the hands and still allow programming, voice was the obvious discussion. Although my usual joke not withstanding, ("hey Fred, lets go to lunch. Computer: going to launch... lift off!") I guess I am seriously in the market. If there is anything that can move the pressure off my hands and still allow me to program, he'll buy it. Cost is an issue, but he'll wheel and deel if necessary, so it is not as big of an issue as it might seem. Anyone with ideas?
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
I have no input on the exact question you asked, but I wonder if you can at least reduce how much you use your hands by using DragonSpeak or whatever for email and writing these postings. Presumably a large chunk of your typing is non-programming, so you may at least reduce your pain. Good luck. DB
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nardev82 wrote:
Ohh man...i wonder what happened to VR. It used to be so hyped up...
VR is alive and well, I do telepresence work and 3D all the time. I was just browsing all my haptics research for another project, virtual haptics is what you are talking about. A entirely computer construct that takes real-world motion to control a virtual object. The virtual objects being programming constructs. Haptic is just a fancy name for a computer-human interface. ;)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
that is sooooo coooool. What about the helmet? Is there anything like that? Where you put it on and it looks as though you are in the 3d environment. I don't care about the graphics. Just the principle of it. Is it bad for your eyes? Or do you trick your eyes into virtual distances (so you don't stare at the same distance all the time). Anyway i'll look around the web for virtual haptics. Take care of your fingers! :)
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that is sooooo coooool. What about the helmet? Is there anything like that? Where you put it on and it looks as though you are in the 3d environment. I don't care about the graphics. Just the principle of it. Is it bad for your eyes? Or do you trick your eyes into virtual distances (so you don't stare at the same distance all the time). Anyway i'll look around the web for virtual haptics. Take care of your fingers! :)
nardev82 wrote:
What about the helmet? Is there anything like that?
has been for years, many manufacturers. http://www.i-glassesstore.com/[^]
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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nardev82 wrote:
What about the helmet? Is there anything like that?
has been for years, many manufacturers. http://www.i-glassesstore.com/[^]
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Holly f... s....!!! Where was i the last 10 years?!?! Why is nobody mentioning this? Why isn't this included with the PS3? There is something fishy about this...is there a developer platform...i want to make virtual reality worlds...what are the health side effects? This stuff is amazing...ok...no need to answer this post. These are all just comments coming from my excitement...
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Holly f... s....!!! Where was i the last 10 years?!?! Why is nobody mentioning this? Why isn't this included with the PS3? There is something fishy about this...is there a developer platform...i want to make virtual reality worlds...what are the health side effects? This stuff is amazing...ok...no need to answer this post. These are all just comments coming from my excitement...
nardev82 wrote:
Why is nobody mentioning this?
because unless it is smooth slow motion, the user is far more likely to get motion sick. Even if only 10% of your audience gets motion sick, that is bad-press. Thus head-mounted displays are still rare, but getting more common regardless of the motion sickness.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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nardev82 wrote:
What about the helmet? Is there anything like that?
has been for years, many manufacturers. http://www.i-glassesstore.com/[^]
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)