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  • A Andre xxxxxxx

    originSH wrote:

    You know this is a beta pack right?

    Yes, but the installer itself shouldn't be beta ;)

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    Andre Buenger wrote:

    Yes, but the installer itself shouldn't be beta

    Why? And have you bothered to tell MS about the problems you had with the installation?

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      Andre Buenger wrote:

      Yes, but the installer itself shouldn't be beta

      Why? And have you bothered to tell MS about the problems you had with the installation?

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      Andre xxxxxxx
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      originSH wrote:

      Why?

      Because this shouldn't be the first time they deploy an update for VS? Also I understand that they needed to update the Wizard, MFC DLLs etc, but come on, a 303 MB installer?

      originSH wrote:

      And have you bothered to tell MS about the problems you had with the installation?

      Not yet, but I'm going to post this on the VC blog.

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      • A Andre xxxxxxx

        I've downloaded the VC2008 Feature Pack (link below) yesterday, a whopping 303 MB installer for a MFC update and TR1 :omg: The setup files are then extracted to a folder in the root of the drive where VS2008 is installed. Why is there a directory called "Temp"? Ok, 10 minutes later the setup failed. The reason was quickly found out, drive C is full. Thankfully the installer left its 500 MB in the Windows\Installer directory :doh: So I've cleaned up some space on C and run the setup again: "None of the products that are addressed by this software update are installed on this computer. Click Cancel to exit setup." Thanks Microsoft for selling an unfinished product which is now corrupted. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=D466226B-8DAB-445F-A7B4-448B326C48E7&displaylang=en[^]

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        Marc Clifton
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        Andre Buenger wrote:

        Thanks Microsoft for selling an unfinished product which is now corrupted.

        Installing beta software is like committing statutory rape. Wait until it's of age, at least. Marc

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        • A Andre xxxxxxx

          originSH wrote:

          Why?

          Because this shouldn't be the first time they deploy an update for VS? Also I understand that they needed to update the Wizard, MFC DLLs etc, but come on, a 303 MB installer?

          originSH wrote:

          And have you bothered to tell MS about the problems you had with the installation?

          Not yet, but I'm going to post this on the VC blog.

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          originSH
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          Andre Buenger wrote:

          Because this shouldn't be the first time they deploy an update for VS?

          So if you made a web site, and then made another web site that didn't something different your client should expect the second web site to work perfectly because "this isn't the first time you've made a web site"? Each installer is different, having to do different things, and making sure that the installer works correctly is part of the testing process. This is why there are beta releases, so that problems can be found and fixed. Betas always come with the warning "don't install this on an important machine and don't expect it to work correctly and it might even mean having to completely reinstalling your PC", so complaining about beta not working is pretty redundant.

          Andre Buenger wrote:

          Also I understand that they needed to update the Wizard, MFC DLLs etc, but come on, a 303 MB installer?

          That pack includes all the new controls, along with any resources that go with those controls. It'll also include the designers, the intellisense hint files, the syntax updates, all the new project templates, the code snippets, any new utilities, the new compiler etc It's not as if we're talking about a small amount of additions here where it's just updating a couple of things, it's adding a whole new chunk of functionality. For the majority of people now that download could be done in the time between leaving work one day and comming back in the next.

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            Andre Buenger wrote:

            Thanks Microsoft for selling an unfinished product which is now corrupted.

            Installing beta software is like committing statutory rape. Wait until it's of age, at least. Marc

            Thyme In The Country Interacx My Blog

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            originSH
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            Marc Clifton wrote:

            Installing beta software is like committing statutory rape. Wait until it's of age, at least.

            And if you must do it then don't go complaining when something breaks or you end up in a whole load of trouble? :wtf: This is rapidly degrading to soapbox territory.

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              Andre Buenger wrote:

              Because this shouldn't be the first time they deploy an update for VS?

              So if you made a web site, and then made another web site that didn't something different your client should expect the second web site to work perfectly because "this isn't the first time you've made a web site"? Each installer is different, having to do different things, and making sure that the installer works correctly is part of the testing process. This is why there are beta releases, so that problems can be found and fixed. Betas always come with the warning "don't install this on an important machine and don't expect it to work correctly and it might even mean having to completely reinstalling your PC", so complaining about beta not working is pretty redundant.

              Andre Buenger wrote:

              Also I understand that they needed to update the Wizard, MFC DLLs etc, but come on, a 303 MB installer?

              That pack includes all the new controls, along with any resources that go with those controls. It'll also include the designers, the intellisense hint files, the syntax updates, all the new project templates, the code snippets, any new utilities, the new compiler etc It's not as if we're talking about a small amount of additions here where it's just updating a couple of things, it's adding a whole new chunk of functionality. For the majority of people now that download could be done in the time between leaving work one day and comming back in the next.

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              Andre xxxxxxx
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              originSH wrote:

              That pack includes all the new controls, along with any resources that go with those controls.

              Sure, but the other MFC component vendors manage to ship a 20 MB installer, including everything plus the documentation (and a lot more controls).

              originSH wrote:

              It'll also include the designers

              There is no designer for the new controls.

              originSH wrote:

              the syntax updates

              Syntax updates? To the C++ language? For a MFC update?

              originSH wrote:

              the new compiler

              There is no new compiler. Or at least there shouldn't.

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                Marc Clifton wrote:

                Installing beta software is like committing statutory rape. Wait until it's of age, at least.

                And if you must do it then don't go complaining when something breaks or you end up in a whole load of trouble? :wtf: This is rapidly degrading to soapbox territory.

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                Andre xxxxxxx
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                originSH wrote:

                And if you must do it then don't go complaining when something breaks or you end up in a whole load of trouble?

                Beta means that I accept glitches in the new MFC controls, not a faulty installer (others having problems too) the size of VC6 altogether.

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                • M Marc Clifton

                  Andre Buenger wrote:

                  Thanks Microsoft for selling an unfinished product which is now corrupted.

                  Installing beta software is like committing statutory rape. Wait until it's of age, at least. Marc

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                  Pete OHanlon
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                  "Mongo love Sheriff Beta. Sheriff Beta only man to beat Mongo."

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                    "Mongo love Sheriff Beta. Sheriff Beta only man to beat Mongo."

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                    martin_hughes
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                    Who are you, the Waco Kid? ;)

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                    • A Andre xxxxxxx

                      I've downloaded the VC2008 Feature Pack (link below) yesterday, a whopping 303 MB installer for a MFC update and TR1 :omg: The setup files are then extracted to a folder in the root of the drive where VS2008 is installed. Why is there a directory called "Temp"? Ok, 10 minutes later the setup failed. The reason was quickly found out, drive C is full. Thankfully the installer left its 500 MB in the Windows\Installer directory :doh: So I've cleaned up some space on C and run the setup again: "None of the products that are addressed by this software update are installed on this computer. Click Cancel to exit setup." Thanks Microsoft for selling an unfinished product which is now corrupted. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=D466226B-8DAB-445F-A7B4-448B326C48E7&displaylang=en[^]

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                      Alisdair W
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                      Nothing's corrupted, the only issue is the installer was only for Pro and Team System, but they screwed something up and it doesn't correctly identify Team System. So I'm uninstalling Team System and am downloading Pro from MSDN to check out this update...

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                      • M martin_hughes

                        Who are you, the Waco Kid? ;)

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                        Pete OHanlon
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                        martin_hughes wrote:

                        Who are you, the Waco Kid?

                        Wacko Kid?

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                        • A Andre xxxxxxx

                          originSH wrote:

                          That pack includes all the new controls, along with any resources that go with those controls.

                          Sure, but the other MFC component vendors manage to ship a 20 MB installer, including everything plus the documentation (and a lot more controls).

                          originSH wrote:

                          It'll also include the designers

                          There is no designer for the new controls.

                          originSH wrote:

                          the syntax updates

                          Syntax updates? To the C++ language? For a MFC update?

                          originSH wrote:

                          the new compiler

                          There is no new compiler. Or at least there shouldn't.

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                          Alisdair W
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                          Andre Buenger wrote:

                          Syntax updates? To the C++ language? For a MFC update?

                          It's a beta for MFC and the TR1 update to C++:

                          In addition, this release includes an implementation of TR1. Portions of TR1 are scheduled for adoption in the upcoming C++0x standard as the first major addition to the ISO 2003 standard C++ library. Our implementation includes a number of important features such as: · Smart pointers · Regular expression parsing · New containers (tuple, array, unordered set, etc) · Sophisticated random number generators · Polymorphic function wrappers · Type traits · And more!

                          http://blogs.msdn.com/vcblog/archive/2008/01/07/mfc-beta-now-available.aspx[^]

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                            martin_hughes wrote:

                            Who are you, the Waco Kid?

                            Wacko Kid?

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                            You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons.[^] :)

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                              You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons.[^] :)

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                              • A Alisdair W

                                Nothing's corrupted, the only issue is the installer was only for Pro and Team System, but they screwed something up and it doesn't correctly identify Team System. So I'm uninstalling Team System and am downloading Pro from MSDN to check out this update...

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                                Andre xxxxxxx
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                                Alisdair W wrote:

                                Nothing's corrupted

                                Have you read my post? The setup detected VS2008 correctly the first time, then failed and now refuse to detect it again. That's what I call corrupted because obviously some keys etc. have been removed.

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                                • A Alisdair W

                                  Andre Buenger wrote:

                                  Syntax updates? To the C++ language? For a MFC update?

                                  It's a beta for MFC and the TR1 update to C++:

                                  In addition, this release includes an implementation of TR1. Portions of TR1 are scheduled for adoption in the upcoming C++0x standard as the first major addition to the ISO 2003 standard C++ library. Our implementation includes a number of important features such as: · Smart pointers · Regular expression parsing · New containers (tuple, array, unordered set, etc) · Sophisticated random number generators · Polymorphic function wrappers · Type traits · And more!

                                  http://blogs.msdn.com/vcblog/archive/2008/01/07/mfc-beta-now-available.aspx[^]

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                                  Andre xxxxxxx
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                                  Alisdair W wrote:

                                  It's a beta for MFC and the TR1 update to C++:

                                  TR1 is like the MFC just a lib, no C++0x language additions. Therefore also no new syntax or compiler.

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                                  • A Andre xxxxxxx

                                    Alisdair W wrote:

                                    Nothing's corrupted

                                    Have you read my post? The setup detected VS2008 correctly the first time, then failed and now refuse to detect it again. That's what I call corrupted because obviously some keys etc. have been removed.

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                                    Alisdair W
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                                    Oops sorry, missed that. Now I accidentally marked your post 1 as well. Think I'm going to give up for the day :)

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                                    • A Andre xxxxxxx

                                      originSH wrote:

                                      You know this is a beta pack right?

                                      Yes, but the installer itself shouldn't be beta ;)

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                                      El Corazon
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                                      Andre Buenger wrote:

                                      Yes, but the installer itself shouldn't be beta

                                      Yes, but the harddrive itself shouldn't be that close to being full. Let's see, you should keep about 10% free, you got 500MB of temp more than you expected (not unusual in compressed installers... uncompress to full size in temp and install), therefore you must have had a 5Gig disk on the machine if you were doing everything you were supposed to look out for also. :) sure there is a little on the MS side, but a little of the current problem is equally, if not greater shared with yourself. Sorry, but true.

                                      _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                                        Andre Buenger wrote:

                                        Yes, but the installer itself shouldn't be beta

                                        Yes, but the harddrive itself shouldn't be that close to being full. Let's see, you should keep about 10% free, you got 500MB of temp more than you expected (not unusual in compressed installers... uncompress to full size in temp and install), therefore you must have had a 5Gig disk on the machine if you were doing everything you were supposed to look out for also. :) sure there is a little on the MS side, but a little of the current problem is equally, if not greater shared with yourself. Sorry, but true.

                                        _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                                        Andre xxxxxxx
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                                        You are right, I should have checked C before starting the setup. But let's summarize the required disk space: 303 MB for the installer 309 MB for the extracted setup files 200 MB somewhere on C 1.22 GB in Windows\Installer ------------------------------------ More than 2 GB 'temporary' disk space + the actual disk space in the installation folder For 2 native C++ libraries this is a mess, me thinks.

                                        modified on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 12:41:17 PM

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                                        • A Andre xxxxxxx

                                          originSH wrote:

                                          You know this is a beta pack right?

                                          Yes, but the installer itself shouldn't be beta ;)

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                                          Mark Salsbery
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                                          The installer is very much BETA. There is still issues to be worked out with it. Part of the reason for the BETA release was to test the installer. Did I mention it's BETA? FWIW, it took me three attempts to install it. If I had RTFM, I would have mounted the VS2008 install before attempting the feature pack install :rolleyes: Mark

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