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Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

Considering .NET has been trying for years to emulate Java I wouldn't be too worried. Java is a really good language. I just wish they could master there GUI tools.

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Marc Clifton

Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

Considering .NET has been trying for years to emulate Java I wouldn't be too worried.

IIRC, the last improvement to the Java language appeared to be addressing some serious lacking features that were found in C#, so I think it's the other way around at this point. Marc

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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

I always looked at C# as a much improved Java. Indeed, IIRC, MS during one of its spells when it was quite friendly with SUN was trying to promote Java. It built its own JVM and released J++ and so on. Then out of no where a rift appeared and they created .NET and with it C#.

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Pete OHanlon

That wasn't the reason the rift appeared. There were cracks in the relationship long before - I remember developing Java apps with the AWT, which Sun absolutely hated. Ironically, had Sun collaborated with MS on this, they would have ended up with a much better GUI implementation.

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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

I remember developing Java apps with the AWT, which Sun absolutely hated

I hated AWT too. In fact, I hated (still do) everything GUI related to Java. IJS.

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Pete OHanlon

I must admit that I far prefer .NET to Java, so my opinion is slightly biased but I hate the way you can tell a java app because it looks so non standard.

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Marc Clifton

Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

and released J++

And then later dropped it, realizing that C#, .NET, and the then gleam in the eye of WPF would eventually, incarnated as Silverlight, wipe Java off the face of the earth, once and for all (thank goodness). ;P Marc

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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

Marc Clifton wrote:

wipe Java off the face of the earth, once and for all

Hear hear :beer: here's to hoping! Seriously though, barring the horrible convoluted GUI (in all its forms) Java is actually quite a good and capable language/framework.

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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

I must admit that I far prefer .NET to Java, so my opinion is slightly biased but I hate the way you can tell a java app because it looks so non standard.

Very well articulated. You've captured my thoughts and feelings with precision.

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Mike Dimmick

Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

Indeed, IIRC, MS during one of its spells when it was quite friendly with SUN was trying to promote Java. It built its own JVM and released J++ and so on. Then out of no where a rift appeared and they created .NET and with it C#.

Sun hated, hated, hated the fact that Microsoft had built a brilliant JVM and made it very useful for writing Windows applications by adding a few key features: - COM support, for both using and creating COM components; - delegates and J/Direct (P/Invoke equivalent - P/Invoke is actually called N/Direct internally) so you could simply declare any native platform imports rather than have to create a horrible C++ wrapper for JNI; - wrappers for standard Windows GUI controls, massively outperforming SWT and Swing In addition, J++ 6.0 wizards offered very little support for SWT and Swing while offering a lot of support for the Windows GUI wrappers. So Sun concocted a case and sued Microsoft, and were able to stop Microsoft developing J++ any further and their VM from supporting anything after JDK 1.1.6 (IIRC). Simultaneously Microsoft were working on 'the successor to COM' which at that stage was meant to be just a bigger runtime (and some of which was released as COM+ in Windows 2000 - there are still a lot of 'COM' references in .NET) but was eventually decided that a machine-independent intermediate language, garbage-collected environment, and JIT compiler were really necessary. Handily, Microsoft now had all these people who were experienced in building a virtual machine...

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Paul Conrad

Huh? Now I am never going to use MySQL again :laugh:

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Paul Conrad

Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

I always looked at C# as a much improved Java

Same here. When I did my Bachelor's and Master's in CSCI, we always had Java force fed to us. Then one day, I discovered C#, and haven't really looked back :rolleyes: I still do plenty of C++ though.

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Paul Conrad

Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

I hated AWT too.

You aren't the only one :laugh:

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