Flying Yahoo ship, Scoble and Google Java
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With what was probably the highlight of his carrier, ex-MS evangelist (blewh) and a slightly disgruntled Redmond commentator: Robert Scoble appeared on BBC Newsnight yesterday and made one of the most interesting, and as per usual, ultra-non-technical haircut displays and statement: 'This is what it is all about', pointing his mobile phone at a camera. In context of that Yahoo take over discussion, I must agree he said something meaningful. He pointed out that Google is not going to hesitate with competition and is already far ahead for the takeover to matter. Discussion seemed to confirm that it will be a destructive merger in many respects. Naturally the Guardian's Technology guy pointed a far more worrying aspect, that MS is going to have to *borrow* money to aquire Yahoo. This is demonstrating that MS is not succeeding on devices or with services and is entering a debt market in hope to be compensated for it at a later date. Leaving plenty of space open to Google and Sun to get cozy. So with Bill leaving, Ballmer going on a shopping spree, Scoble possibly getting it right for once, Google is adopting Java and OpenGL and pushing for services people actually (unlike anything Live*) use to expand on its advertising and services market. This helps erode MS's influence and for the first time I am leaning towards Redmond, if only they could pull of some thin and cool tech to fight off Linux, OSS, Adobe, Symbian, Palm, Sun, Java, LAMP, Google Search, Google Maps, Google *.. Arguably they deserved it, with unstable and bloated OS-es on desktop and mobile, pushing WS, pushing .NET in fear of Java while always cutting short on delivery, and plenty on RAM and CPU and latency and providing us with overenginering and big costs. Yet they have all the might to fight, what was it they showed yesterday, 7000 Google vs 38000 MS employees. So if you are a devotee, care about your job and industry choice, you'd probably think I'll just get Windows Mobile devices, use nothing but .NET and help their UI and service efforts become better, stable and more efficient, and say I'll use Live services exclusively. Unlikely isn't it? I cannot believe I'd like to say I'd would, but it is a partial class suicide at the current trend. Hence Scoble must be right, unless, by some miracle, MS pulls off a Google showstopper.
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With what was probably the highlight of his carrier, ex-MS evangelist (blewh) and a slightly disgruntled Redmond commentator: Robert Scoble appeared on BBC Newsnight yesterday and made one of the most interesting, and as per usual, ultra-non-technical haircut displays and statement: 'This is what it is all about', pointing his mobile phone at a camera. In context of that Yahoo take over discussion, I must agree he said something meaningful. He pointed out that Google is not going to hesitate with competition and is already far ahead for the takeover to matter. Discussion seemed to confirm that it will be a destructive merger in many respects. Naturally the Guardian's Technology guy pointed a far more worrying aspect, that MS is going to have to *borrow* money to aquire Yahoo. This is demonstrating that MS is not succeeding on devices or with services and is entering a debt market in hope to be compensated for it at a later date. Leaving plenty of space open to Google and Sun to get cozy. So with Bill leaving, Ballmer going on a shopping spree, Scoble possibly getting it right for once, Google is adopting Java and OpenGL and pushing for services people actually (unlike anything Live*) use to expand on its advertising and services market. This helps erode MS's influence and for the first time I am leaning towards Redmond, if only they could pull of some thin and cool tech to fight off Linux, OSS, Adobe, Symbian, Palm, Sun, Java, LAMP, Google Search, Google Maps, Google *.. Arguably they deserved it, with unstable and bloated OS-es on desktop and mobile, pushing WS, pushing .NET in fear of Java while always cutting short on delivery, and plenty on RAM and CPU and latency and providing us with overenginering and big costs. Yet they have all the might to fight, what was it they showed yesterday, 7000 Google vs 38000 MS employees. So if you are a devotee, care about your job and industry choice, you'd probably think I'll just get Windows Mobile devices, use nothing but .NET and help their UI and service efforts become better, stable and more efficient, and say I'll use Live services exclusively. Unlikely isn't it? I cannot believe I'd like to say I'd would, but it is a partial class suicide at the current trend. Hence Scoble must be right, unless, by some miracle, MS pulls off a Google showstopper.
One day the advertising bubble will collapse, and then giants will fall. Marc
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With what was probably the highlight of his carrier, ex-MS evangelist (blewh) and a slightly disgruntled Redmond commentator: Robert Scoble appeared on BBC Newsnight yesterday and made one of the most interesting, and as per usual, ultra-non-technical haircut displays and statement: 'This is what it is all about', pointing his mobile phone at a camera. In context of that Yahoo take over discussion, I must agree he said something meaningful. He pointed out that Google is not going to hesitate with competition and is already far ahead for the takeover to matter. Discussion seemed to confirm that it will be a destructive merger in many respects. Naturally the Guardian's Technology guy pointed a far more worrying aspect, that MS is going to have to *borrow* money to aquire Yahoo. This is demonstrating that MS is not succeeding on devices or with services and is entering a debt market in hope to be compensated for it at a later date. Leaving plenty of space open to Google and Sun to get cozy. So with Bill leaving, Ballmer going on a shopping spree, Scoble possibly getting it right for once, Google is adopting Java and OpenGL and pushing for services people actually (unlike anything Live*) use to expand on its advertising and services market. This helps erode MS's influence and for the first time I am leaning towards Redmond, if only they could pull of some thin and cool tech to fight off Linux, OSS, Adobe, Symbian, Palm, Sun, Java, LAMP, Google Search, Google Maps, Google *.. Arguably they deserved it, with unstable and bloated OS-es on desktop and mobile, pushing WS, pushing .NET in fear of Java while always cutting short on delivery, and plenty on RAM and CPU and latency and providing us with overenginering and big costs. Yet they have all the might to fight, what was it they showed yesterday, 7000 Google vs 38000 MS employees. So if you are a devotee, care about your job and industry choice, you'd probably think I'll just get Windows Mobile devices, use nothing but .NET and help their UI and service efforts become better, stable and more efficient, and say I'll use Live services exclusively. Unlikely isn't it? I cannot believe I'd like to say I'd would, but it is a partial class suicide at the current trend. Hence Scoble must be right, unless, by some miracle, MS pulls off a Google showstopper.
It is with deep regret that I must admit that I actually read your whole post. X| Fortunately, it was all written in some strange variant of marketing-speak, so I understood little, and will likely recover quickly...:rolleyes:
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It is with deep regret that I must admit that I actually read your whole post. X| Fortunately, it was all written in some strange variant of marketing-speak, so I understood little, and will likely recover quickly...:rolleyes:
Hey Marc, they said that on TV when Google first listed, Nasdaq crash again :-) It went from 80$ to 600$ in no time, but I hope in a way you're right. I am trying to keep in mind that mobile/device market hasn't seen much of it at all (you know early Java networked-device technology ideas of 1999 ) Must admit I am becoming interested in marketing-speak Rob :), plenty of it on MSDN blogs so it became a habit. Somehow, I don't think this bodes well for some parts of the industry at all. I tried to make a joke on Iron bits, but it appears to me they'll start approaching Java in additive fashion a la CLR. And if Sun endorses dynamic runtime (which heck Google will probably be very interested in coming from Python and JS integration earlier), it is not really the ads that should be worrying the MS centrics but Google moving into hybrid of mobile/desktop+networked software pushing Java devs (oh no) into new headosphere. TrollTech and Nokia are another sign as I believe Skype and some other services are already doing this (Google Earth was QT too?) Just the horror of JDK being installed on every box.. brrr, here comes 250MB pently as standard for a few dialogs.
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It is with deep regret that I must admit that I actually read your whole post. X| Fortunately, it was all written in some strange variant of marketing-speak, so I understood little, and will likely recover quickly...:rolleyes:
I just skimmed it and my head is still spinning. I'm going to take a Valium and see that settles things down a bit... On the other hand, maybe I'll just go and buy Microsoft :)
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One day the advertising bubble will collapse, and then giants will fall. Marc
If it happens in my life-time I'll eat your hat. A lot of the ad growth on the web is not new advertising but advertising shifting from print, TV, radio and outdoor to the web. There is still a lot of advertising that is going to shift. And Google is still young. The advertising model is relatively new. Many more companies are going to hop on and ride it for many, many more years. What will change is how advertising works. It will get a lot more personal and targeted.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
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If it happens in my life-time I'll eat your hat. A lot of the ad growth on the web is not new advertising but advertising shifting from print, TV, radio and outdoor to the web. There is still a lot of advertising that is going to shift. And Google is still young. The advertising model is relatively new. Many more companies are going to hop on and ride it for many, many more years. What will change is how advertising works. It will get a lot more personal and targeted.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
Paul Watson wrote:
It will get a lot more personal and targeted.
I highly doubt it. I'm not gonna eat your hat if it happens, but perhaps i'll be moved to destroy it in some other way. :-> Don't get me wrong - i've no doubt that the trend towards making ads contextual will continue (and, hopefully, improve). But contextual != personal. You don't really go to a bar to find your soul-mate...
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Paul Watson wrote:
It will get a lot more personal and targeted.
I highly doubt it. I'm not gonna eat your hat if it happens, but perhaps i'll be moved to destroy it in some other way. :-> Don't get me wrong - i've no doubt that the trend towards making ads contextual will continue (and, hopefully, improve). But contextual != personal. You don't really go to a bar to find your soul-mate...
Shog9 wrote:
You don't really go to a bar to find your soul-mate...
No but It will know you like drinking Becks while watching Rugby and that your TV is set to switch to a Rugby game on Sunday and that your fridge is out of Becks and that today is Saturday and your car is driving near a liquor store that has a special on Becks. It will then remind you to stock up. It will also remember it is your soul mate's birthday on Sunday and that you haven't bought her anything yet but it knows what she likes and that right next to the liquor store is a shop selling what she likes and that you should probably get it for her... Contextual, personal, same difference. Advertising, love it or hate it (latter for me), has a lot of future.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
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Shog9 wrote:
You don't really go to a bar to find your soul-mate...
No but It will know you like drinking Becks while watching Rugby and that your TV is set to switch to a Rugby game on Sunday and that your fridge is out of Becks and that today is Saturday and your car is driving near a liquor store that has a special on Becks. It will then remind you to stock up. It will also remember it is your soul mate's birthday on Sunday and that you haven't bought her anything yet but it knows what she likes and that right next to the liquor store is a shop selling what she likes and that you should probably get it for her... Contextual, personal, same difference. Advertising, love it or hate it (latter for me), has a lot of future.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
Paul Watson wrote:
No but It will know you like drinking Becks while watching Rugby and that your TV is set to switch to a Rugby game on Sunday and that your fridge is out of Becks and that today is Saturday and your car is driving near a liquor store that has a special on Becks. It will then remind you to stock up.
Really? All that, huh. It wouldn't just record that you regularly buy Becks and spam you with ads for anyone nearby selling it? 'Cause, i'm pretty sure that's what'll happen. Unless you expect merchants to suddenly decide that pushing their wares at people who might be better served buying from someone else is Bad and Won't Be Done.
Paul Watson wrote:
It will also remember it is your soul mate's birthday on Sunday and that you haven't bought her anything yet but it knows what she likes and that right next to the liquor store is a shop selling what she likes and that you should probably get it for her...
That won't happen. Not in any way reliably. You're going past simple pattern matching and suggesting that compiling a large-enough dataset will essentially create AI. We've tried it. It doesn't work.
Paul Watson wrote:
Contextual, personal, same difference
Nope, sorry, wrong. Personal is knowing that Em likes blown glass ocean scenes, from a particular glass blower who, unfortunately, charges more than what i can afford, but there's a craftsman of comparable skill working out of a tiny suburb, who makes his bread-and-butter producing attractive smoking devices and who just might be convinced, if approached with exactly the right sort of persuasion, to create an affordable ocean knicknack. Contextual is knowing that i've purchased glass ornaments in the past and blasting me with "deals" on mass-produced glass from the local Dept. Store whenever i drive past. Personal implies... well, a person.
Paul Watson wrote:
Advertising, love it or hate it (latter for me), has a lot of future.
Heh, i've no doubt of that. Nagging works.