I hate Vista
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So, I am working on my new installer. I touch nothing, I am reading it's help. The program disappears, Vista closes. Actually it closed all programs, told me it was installing three updates, and then started again. I was not online.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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So, I am working on my new installer. I touch nothing, I am reading it's help. The program disappears, Vista closes. Actually it closed all programs, told me it was installing three updates, and then started again. I was not online.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
But that's not a Vista issue! that has to be your setup (hardware, software running, etc) Vista's not all that bad, but maybe it's because i'm just sick of hearing MS rants today. X| (If you want a sample of an MS rant just let me know :cool: )
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _______________________________________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
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But that's not a Vista issue! that has to be your setup (hardware, software running, etc) Vista's not all that bad, but maybe it's because i'm just sick of hearing MS rants today. X| (If you want a sample of an MS rant just let me know :cool: )
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _______________________________________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
I was running a program to author install programs. I was not running any sort of MSI or other actual install.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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So, I am working on my new installer. I touch nothing, I am reading it's help. The program disappears, Vista closes. Actually it closed all programs, told me it was installing three updates, and then started again. I was not online.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Christian Graus wrote:
told me it was installing three updates,
Gotta love "Windows UpYours". Install those updates, reboot that PC, don't let that stupid user ignore the need for this one more moment...
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So, I am working on my new installer. I touch nothing, I am reading it's help. The program disappears, Vista closes. Actually it closed all programs, told me it was installing three updates, and then started again. I was not online.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Hey, you get what you bought — an OS for idiots (the ones who can't be trusted to run a computer properly).
So the creationist says: Everything must have a designer. God designed everything. I say: Why is God the only exception? Why not make the "designs" (like man) exceptions and make God a creation of man?
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So, I am working on my new installer. I touch nothing, I am reading it's help. The program disappears, Vista closes. Actually it closed all programs, told me it was installing three updates, and then started again. I was not online.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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So, I am working on my new installer. I touch nothing, I am reading it's help. The program disappears, Vista closes. Actually it closed all programs, told me it was installing three updates, and then started again. I was not online.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
You are not a True Believer. Microsoft knows. :suss:
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
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So, I am working on my new installer. I touch nothing, I am reading it's help. The program disappears, Vista closes. Actually it closed all programs, told me it was installing three updates, and then started again. I was not online.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Christian Graus wrote:
So, I am working on my new installer. I touch nothing, I am reading it's help. The program disappears, Vista closes. Actually it closed all programs, told me it was installing three updates, and then started again. I was not online.
Check your Windows Update settings and click on Change settings.... If you've got Install updates automatically or Download updates but let me choose whether to install them selected, Vista will grab the updates whenever it sees them while it's online. If Install updates automatically is selected, it'll install them at the specified time, regardless of when it downloaded them. Otherwise, it'll pester you once in awhile. I personally have it set to only notify - not automatically download or install. To verify that this was indeed an automatic update installation, you can go to the Windows Update applet and click on View update history. You should be able to correlate those logs with the time Windows kicked you out.
-- Russell Morris Morbo: "WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!"
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So, I am working on my new installer. I touch nothing, I am reading it's help. The program disappears, Vista closes. Actually it closed all programs, told me it was installing three updates, and then started again. I was not online.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Vista is smart. It detected that you were working on the installer of its replacement, it went into defense mode and stopped what you were doing. :-D
My .NET Business Application Framework My Home Page My Younger Son & His "PET"
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But that's not a Vista issue! that has to be your setup (hardware, software running, etc) Vista's not all that bad, but maybe it's because i'm just sick of hearing MS rants today. X| (If you want a sample of an MS rant just let me know :cool: )
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _______________________________________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
radialronnie wrote:
your setup
On any setup, it does not make good sense to restart the machine without asking the user. I also don't understand how automatic restart after installing updates (obviously alerting the user, but not giving him an option) could be related to hardware or other software.
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Christian Graus wrote:
So, I am working on my new installer. I touch nothing, I am reading it's help. The program disappears, Vista closes. Actually it closed all programs, told me it was installing three updates, and then started again. I was not online.
Check your Windows Update settings and click on Change settings.... If you've got Install updates automatically or Download updates but let me choose whether to install them selected, Vista will grab the updates whenever it sees them while it's online. If Install updates automatically is selected, it'll install them at the specified time, regardless of when it downloaded them. Otherwise, it'll pester you once in awhile. I personally have it set to only notify - not automatically download or install. To verify that this was indeed an automatic update installation, you can go to the Windows Update applet and click on View update history. You should be able to correlate those logs with the time Windows kicked you out.
-- Russell Morris Morbo: "WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!"
Russell Morris wrote:
If Install updates automatically is selected, it'll install them at the specified time, regardless of when it downloaded them.
Not prompting before a reboot is bad. I think CG was infuriated by Vista closing all applications on its own without a prompt. Some applications use a timed prompt -- counts down 30s before doing something. This is definitely a usability issue. MS presets "Automatic Updates" to download and install automatically making it default behaviour.
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So, I am working on my new installer. I touch nothing, I am reading it's help. The program disappears, Vista closes. Actually it closed all programs, told me it was installing three updates, and then started again. I was not online.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Nah, it's only that this code was embedded:
TCHAR* user = ::GetCurrentUser();
if (_tcscmp(user, _T("Christian Grauss")) == 0)
WorkPerfectlyFine();
else if (_tcscmp(user, _T("Christian Graus")) == 0)
AnnoyTheUserWithRandomFeatures();Oh well, too much beer already. Good night y'all!
Stupidity is an International Association - Enrique Jardiel Poncela Die deutsche Sprache sollte sanft und ehrfurchtsvoll zu den toten Sprachen abgelegt werden, denn nur die Toten haben die Zeit, diese Sprache zu lernen. - Mark Twain
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does anyone look at Vista vs XP like ME vs 98?
Shhhhh..... http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com/[^]
Yeah, that's a good analogy.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Russell Morris wrote:
If Install updates automatically is selected, it'll install them at the specified time, regardless of when it downloaded them.
Not prompting before a reboot is bad. I think CG was infuriated by Vista closing all applications on its own without a prompt. Some applications use a timed prompt -- counts down 30s before doing something. This is definitely a usability issue. MS presets "Automatic Updates" to download and install automatically making it default behaviour.
My Vista hasn't once rebooted after an update without asking me if I wanted to, or wait up to 4 hours, at which time I could wait again, after I have changed the settings to my preference. But then again - it also only installs updates when I want it to, because I changed the settings. Vista has been the most stable and well running OS from MS I've ever had.
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My Vista hasn't once rebooted after an update without asking me if I wanted to, or wait up to 4 hours, at which time I could wait again, after I have changed the settings to my preference. But then again - it also only installs updates when I want it to, because I changed the settings. Vista has been the most stable and well running OS from MS I've ever had.
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Alsvha wrote:
My Vista hasn't once rebooted after an update without asking me if I wanted to
Well, it happened once :). The fact that it did not happen to you does not mean that it will not happen to you or anyone else in future. From all the evidence, this behavior may be triggered only in very rare conditions. I think such bugs happen to everyone.
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radialronnie wrote:
your setup
On any setup, it does not make good sense to restart the machine without asking the user. I also don't understand how automatic restart after installing updates (obviously alerting the user, but not giving him an option) could be related to hardware or other software.
The restart should always wait for the prompt from the user unless and otherwise it is really really needed like the operating system setup itself.
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson -
But that's not a Vista issue! that has to be your setup (hardware, software running, etc) Vista's not all that bad, but maybe it's because i'm just sick of hearing MS rants today. X| (If you want a sample of an MS rant just let me know :cool: )
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _______________________________________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
I've never had any problems with Vista, either.
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The restart should always wait for the prompt from the user unless and otherwise it is really really needed like the operating system setup itself.
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage
Tech Gossips
A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis LevinsonVista does exactly that, after updates you'll see a yellowish box appear above the SysTray informing that updates have been installed and a reboot is required, you can either reboot or postpone the restart message for upto 4 hours.
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Russell Morris wrote:
If Install updates automatically is selected, it'll install them at the specified time, regardless of when it downloaded them.
Not prompting before a reboot is bad. I think CG was infuriated by Vista closing all applications on its own without a prompt. Some applications use a timed prompt -- counts down 30s before doing something. This is definitely a usability issue. MS presets "Automatic Updates" to download and install automatically making it default behaviour.
Thomas George wrote:
Not prompting before a reboot is bad.
I agree. I think it is outrageous. This is not a new issue, however. It could also happen with XP. Some people in MS will say that a reboot is needed to make the update effective and it is important for security that the update is made. Thus they think that a compulsory reboot is justified. This "we know better than you so we will force you to do it our way" attitude is really annoying. Not everyone in MS suffers from it, but some do.
John Carson
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does anyone look at Vista vs XP like ME vs 98?
Shhhhh..... http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com/[^]
Yep. They balance on the scales the same way too.
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