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  • B Brady Kelly

    That about sums up most technical books commonly on the shelves, as well as many blogs, articles, and my last favourite, "How to Videos".  I can't remember the last video offering that disgusted me so, but it was something like, "How to select text in Word".  X|

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    Raj Lal
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    Brady Kelly wrote:

    That about sums up most technical books

    unfortunately I have to agree with you there but once in a while you come across a very nice, thoroughly research and structured book which makes everything else worth.

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    • S Steve Thresher

      I just watched the film, saved myself hours:)

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      nah ! the book was astonishing but the movie is not up to par

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      • M Marc Clifton

        There are very things worth hating in life, and certainly the energy required to hate is not to be expended on a mere book (including religious books). Marc

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        Marc Clifton wrote:

        including religious books

        you mean programers are religious ?

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        • G Gary Wheeler

          My wife was an English major. I remember for one of her graduate courses, the professor required one of his own books for the class. The book was available in a university-printed loose-leaf version for about $10, and a published hardback version for over $60. Needless to say, you can guess which one the S.O.B. required for the class :mad:.

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          Smithers Jones
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          back when i studied, prof of mine recommended one of his books which would cost about 80 eur normally, but offered it for 12 eur for his students in a hardback version.

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          • N Nnamdi Onyeyiri

            Which uni was this?

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            University of Essex[^]

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            • R Raj Lal

              Recently we had a great discussion on why would you read a book !, if you missed that here[^] is the link This also begs another important question: Why would you hate a book ! Here are some of my reasons 1. Lack of cohesive organization and planning is annoying. 2. If the book is repetitive. 3. If the author mentions topics before they have been properly introduced, 5. When the layout of the book is beginners and it claims to be "professional" in the title. 6. If the book covers more than an overview of all the features, but provides very little "best practice" advice beyond the basics. 7. Book which teaches to to write an applications but won't necessarily teaches to do it well. 8. If the book is not properly researched 9. Approach of having multiple authors cover the same topics without enough editing to make it one cohesive piece. 10. If the book writing is complex or the author is prejudice So what's your reason ?

              Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


              Vista Gadget Book: Creating Vista Gadgets using HTML, CSS, & JavaScript. Sample chapter here Selling Your Gadget

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              RaviBee
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              Quartz. wrote:

              what's your reason ?

              Not enough substance - eg: more long-winded full blown code examples instead of short snippets. /ravi

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              • R Raj Lal

                there is a binary algorithm (index) you can use there :)

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                Vikram A Punathambekar
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                Only if you are looking for a specific, (often) technical word. I search using some phrases I remember. No, I never claimed to be normal.

                Cheers, Vikram.


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                • R Raj Lal

                  Phannon wrote:

                  extremely expensive and/or overpriced.

                  I agree , If you want to buy a book directly from barnes and noble or borders book store it comes with an "ouch"

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                  Ed Poore
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                  Quartz. wrote:

                  If you want to buy a book directly from barnes and noble or borders book store it comes with an "ouch"

                  I thought that's what University libraries were for? Ours recently introduced a scheme where we can return books back to the library through other libraries. And vice versa, i.e. we can borrow other uni's books and return them through ours. After exams I plan to check out a copy of Code Complete and begin reading it, if I think it'd be worth getting my own copy then I will. As far as I know Graduates can also use the library so if you stay near London then you've got access to a vast (spans something like 7 floors) collection of books absolutely free. Recently it was announced that IC (Imperial College) also are pretty kind on fines for late books, having only made £6,000 last year compared to another Uni (can't remember which one)'s whopping £168,000 profit from fines.


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                  • R Raj Lal

                    Recently we had a great discussion on why would you read a book !, if you missed that here[^] is the link This also begs another important question: Why would you hate a book ! Here are some of my reasons 1. Lack of cohesive organization and planning is annoying. 2. If the book is repetitive. 3. If the author mentions topics before they have been properly introduced, 5. When the layout of the book is beginners and it claims to be "professional" in the title. 6. If the book covers more than an overview of all the features, but provides very little "best practice" advice beyond the basics. 7. Book which teaches to to write an applications but won't necessarily teaches to do it well. 8. If the book is not properly researched 9. Approach of having multiple authors cover the same topics without enough editing to make it one cohesive piece. 10. If the book writing is complex or the author is prejudice So what's your reason ?

                    Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


                    Vista Gadget Book: Creating Vista Gadgets using HTML, CSS, & JavaScript. Sample chapter here Selling Your Gadget

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                    1. The book makes frequent references to some other book that you do not have and it is not specifically mentioned in the description as a requirement to read this book. 2. Errors in the book or examples that do not compile.

                    John

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                    • R Raj Lal

                      Recently we had a great discussion on why would you read a book !, if you missed that here[^] is the link This also begs another important question: Why would you hate a book ! Here are some of my reasons 1. Lack of cohesive organization and planning is annoying. 2. If the book is repetitive. 3. If the author mentions topics before they have been properly introduced, 5. When the layout of the book is beginners and it claims to be "professional" in the title. 6. If the book covers more than an overview of all the features, but provides very little "best practice" advice beyond the basics. 7. Book which teaches to to write an applications but won't necessarily teaches to do it well. 8. If the book is not properly researched 9. Approach of having multiple authors cover the same topics without enough editing to make it one cohesive piece. 10. If the book writing is complex or the author is prejudice So what's your reason ?

                      Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


                      Vista Gadget Book: Creating Vista Gadgets using HTML, CSS, & JavaScript. Sample chapter here Selling Your Gadget

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                      13. A marketing book under a technical disguise :mad:

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                      • R Raj Lal

                        Recently we had a great discussion on why would you read a book !, if you missed that here[^] is the link This also begs another important question: Why would you hate a book ! Here are some of my reasons 1. Lack of cohesive organization and planning is annoying. 2. If the book is repetitive. 3. If the author mentions topics before they have been properly introduced, 5. When the layout of the book is beginners and it claims to be "professional" in the title. 6. If the book covers more than an overview of all the features, but provides very little "best practice" advice beyond the basics. 7. Book which teaches to to write an applications but won't necessarily teaches to do it well. 8. If the book is not properly researched 9. Approach of having multiple authors cover the same topics without enough editing to make it one cohesive piece. 10. If the book writing is complex or the author is prejudice So what's your reason ?

                        Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


                        Vista Gadget Book: Creating Vista Gadgets using HTML, CSS, & JavaScript. Sample chapter here Selling Your Gadget

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                        Does no one read fiction any more? To me the word "book" brings to mind fiction first, all other forms a distant second. I rarely, almost never, buy any non fiction books any more. If it's data I need I can find it all online.


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                        • G Gary Kirkham

                          Christian Graus wrote:

                          Who would bother reading fiction ?

                          Not me, at least not lately. I have never really read IT books at least in the sense that you typically read a work of fiction...cove to cover. I use the code examples in the book to teach me and only read the text to show me what I didn't understand about the code. If a book is weak on code sample, I don't buy it.

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                          Some would argue that.... oh wait, this isn't the soapbox, never mind... ;)


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                          • R Raj Lal

                            Recently we had a great discussion on why would you read a book !, if you missed that here[^] is the link This also begs another important question: Why would you hate a book ! Here are some of my reasons 1. Lack of cohesive organization and planning is annoying. 2. If the book is repetitive. 3. If the author mentions topics before they have been properly introduced, 5. When the layout of the book is beginners and it claims to be "professional" in the title. 6. If the book covers more than an overview of all the features, but provides very little "best practice" advice beyond the basics. 7. Book which teaches to to write an applications but won't necessarily teaches to do it well. 8. If the book is not properly researched 9. Approach of having multiple authors cover the same topics without enough editing to make it one cohesive piece. 10. If the book writing is complex or the author is prejudice So what's your reason ?

                            Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


                            Vista Gadget Book: Creating Vista Gadgets using HTML, CSS, & JavaScript. Sample chapter here Selling Your Gadget

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                            26. The book references the Northwind or AdventureWorks databases but assumes you installed them with SQL Server instead of giving you a copy on CD or a link to download them.

                            Imagine that you are hired to build a bridge over a river. The river gets slightly wider every day; sometimes it shrinks but nobody can predict when. Your contract says you can't use concrete or steel - the client only provides timber and cut stone (but won't tell you what kind). Gravity changes from hour to hour, as does the viscosity of air. Your only tools are a hacksaw, a chainsaw, a rubber mallet, and a length of rope. Welcome to my world. -Me explaining my job to an engineer

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                            • M Member 96

                              Some would argue that.... oh wait, this isn't the soapbox, never mind... ;)


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                              It's the greatest work of Non-Fiction ever written...wait, this still isn't the soapbox. :-D

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                                Does no one read fiction any more? To me the word "book" brings to mind fiction first, all other forms a distant second. I rarely, almost never, buy any non fiction books any more. If it's data I need I can find it all online.


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                                John C wrote:

                                To me the word "book" brings to mind fiction first

                                I see you've been reading too many programming books... ;P

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                                • R Raj Lal

                                  Recently we had a great discussion on why would you read a book !, if you missed that here[^] is the link This also begs another important question: Why would you hate a book ! Here are some of my reasons 1. Lack of cohesive organization and planning is annoying. 2. If the book is repetitive. 3. If the author mentions topics before they have been properly introduced, 5. When the layout of the book is beginners and it claims to be "professional" in the title. 6. If the book covers more than an overview of all the features, but provides very little "best practice" advice beyond the basics. 7. Book which teaches to to write an applications but won't necessarily teaches to do it well. 8. If the book is not properly researched 9. Approach of having multiple authors cover the same topics without enough editing to make it one cohesive piece. 10. If the book writing is complex or the author is prejudice So what's your reason ?

                                  Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


                                  Vista Gadget Book: Creating Vista Gadgets using HTML, CSS, & JavaScript. Sample chapter here Selling Your Gadget

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                                  Given that it's more in the hands of your publisher than your own I doubt this will help much, but here goes. A great many of us dislike books that are "sold by the pound." Many publishers think that in order to justify the price, a tech book has to have a high page count. In fact, most techies I talk to want the clearest and quickest path to figuring out technology XYZ, and we often don't read a tech book cover to cover. We zero in on the chapter we need to hit a deadline, and we don't want to wade through 50 pages that are mostly screen shots of a Visual Studio wizard that the publisher wanted to bump the page count. Since much of this is a marketing decision you may have to arm wrestle your publisher to actually keep the page count down, but if you can say more with less, you'll be a rock star in the eyes of your peers.

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                                  • L leppie

                                    12. No pictures/diagrams/visual objects.

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                                    • C Christian Graus

                                      Who would bother reading fiction ? I was surprised to see that most people assume he means IT books tho.

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                                      Christian Graus wrote:

                                      Who would bother reading fiction ?

                                      Me. Hard Sci-Fi or fantasy escapism. Sometimes there is only so much on computer subjects you can handle and then you have to get very far away from the subject. Hard Sci-Fi is technical, but it can make you feel like there is hope that technology can get somewhere, or do something, it is still escapism, just directed escapism. Fantasy is about as far away from technology as you can get, unless you read the Rick Cook books, or Christopher Stasheff. Escapism is useful once in a while.

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                                      • B Brady Kelly

                                        That doesn't rule out all books; until work got in the way, I was quite engrossed in Petzold's Punisher[^]. Once you get over not having visual objects, which can be easy, considering most people read fiction without them, and Petzold's prose is good, it keeps you reading; enlightening and entertaining at times, analytical at others, and more didactic elsewhere.  It is an epic saga: he starts out assuming the reader knows nothing of how Windows applications work, with a brief but complete explanation about the message loop and windows, before gradually moving forward into how WPF basics operate.  It is slow reading, because I can't help not just scan it; he has me reading every sentence.

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                                        I've been going through the book as well. One of my favorite WPF -- heck one of my favorite programming books. :-\ Flynn

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                                        • F Flynn Arrowstarr Regular Schmoe

                                          I've been going through the book as well. One of my favorite WPF -- heck one of my favorite programming books. :-\ Flynn

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                                          Do you also find his prose engaging as I do, and not just the technical content?  I'm going to resume my reading tonight, then start again and do some exercises to recap, then continue.

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