jobs.codeproject.com [modified]
-
Depends on the ethics of the job board.
Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest HemingwayI so completely fail to understand where the beef is here. :wtf: This is not a charity, it's a business. Yes people contribute their code here (I have) for free, for the greater benefit, but the site is free to me or you. Running a site this size costs a LOT money and ONLY advertising supports this -whether for jobs or components or whatever. With 5 million tech users they would be mad not to add jobs. It's not like you have floating flash popups that you have to close on every page like many sites I can think of. I've always found that CP's approach to ads is a good one - enough to ensure they get revenue, not so much that it's annoying or intrusive. One reason why I tick the box to allow them to send me CodeProject offers - it supports the site. If you don't like the job board, don't go there.
'Howard
-
What an unbelievably naive perspective you have. Do you think the cost of running something like CP is "just the cost of running several CP servers?" Ok, so we've got the hosting costs. Then the bandwidth costs - 5 million users generate a lot of accesses per day, 24x7 - that alone would be substantial - this is a globally used site. Then there is the development and maintenance costs - check the "about" page - there are 17 staff listed. Let's be really conservative and assume they are earning say, $40k pa, that costs $680,000 for salaries alone - the real figure is probably in excess of $1m. Yes CP does have advertising to help pay the way, but how many click-throughs or impressions would it need to generate $680,000 dollars? And you're complaining about $300 for adverts that you don't even have to pay for??? That could conceivably benefit you if you get a job as a result???? Some people just have no clue whatsoever.:mad:
'Howard
Ditto that was my thought on this point sigh...
-
Hey All, I wonder, how "ethically" correct it is to create a web-site like, jobs.codeproject.com, within (please correct me if I am wrong) the codeproject.com site. The community at CP, is mostly doing what they do for free, and I don't think it is a good idea, to "use" this fact, in order to run a business like jobs.codeproject.com. In a way, it turns CP to a web-site which is masked under the name of a free software developer's community, while at the same time, its owners get highly paid by employers for running the job.codeproject.com service. In the very least case, I think these web-sites should be hosted on two different domains. Else, one will end up with a web-site offering jobs, and no more developers :). Please don't get furious :). Just putting my opinion, I am sure many have thought about this beforehand, and also I think, the reality might be a bit different then I described. So, simple clarifications (without swearings) and discussions would be welcome. PS. Another implication can be that, when one sees a "great" article by some programmer at CP, one does not know it anymore, whether it was done on a purely enthusiastic basis, or with the purpose to attract job seekers. Of course, this is always the case, since someone can link to his article on CP, but with this new approach it makes it even more obvious and noticable. PS2. I think that if the web-site goes on running, it should limit itself in terms of received vacancies, and not become very massive. Else, CP will turn into an employment agency, instead of a software developer community, after a while. Cheers.
how about we just leave it at ...it is ethically correct I think it is a perfectly good idea to have a job section to the website, this is a site for developer resources and thats just another resource, I SERIOUSLY doubt that the job section could ever overshadow the comunity, even if SOMEHOW it does, the job section cant function properly without the community As to CP reaping the finanicial benefits. 300 bucks is a longs ways off, agencies will often take a percentage of your first year's pay. As to the image of CP, having the $300 charge could even improve that image depending on who looks at it, having a price means that its only for serious job notices, I've seen some free ad sites with job sections and they have the most bogus adds somtimes anyway if it came down to a vote my vote would go towards having the job section, wven tho being from SA I dont have much use for it. P.S Most likly Mr bigdenny is a recruiter who cant afford the 300 bucks and this is his petition to get the price to drop :suss: ;P
-
Hey All, I wonder, how "ethically" correct it is to create a web-site like, jobs.codeproject.com, within (please correct me if I am wrong) the codeproject.com site. The community at CP, is mostly doing what they do for free, and I don't think it is a good idea, to "use" this fact, in order to run a business like jobs.codeproject.com. In a way, it turns CP to a web-site which is masked under the name of a free software developer's community, while at the same time, its owners get highly paid by employers for running the job.codeproject.com service. In the very least case, I think these web-sites should be hosted on two different domains. Else, one will end up with a web-site offering jobs, and no more developers :). Please don't get furious :). Just putting my opinion, I am sure many have thought about this beforehand, and also I think, the reality might be a bit different then I described. So, simple clarifications (without swearings) and discussions would be welcome. PS. Another implication can be that, when one sees a "great" article by some programmer at CP, one does not know it anymore, whether it was done on a purely enthusiastic basis, or with the purpose to attract job seekers. Of course, this is always the case, since someone can link to his article on CP, but with this new approach it makes it even more obvious and noticable. PS2. I think that if the web-site goes on running, it should limit itself in terms of received vacancies, and not become very massive. Else, CP will turn into an employment agency, instead of a software developer community, after a while. Cheers.
I understand your concerns but a job board is another form of advertising and this is what enables CP to keep paying the hosting and development bills. Without it you don't get the free articles and forums. If you have concerns with the job board then you must also have concerns with the advertising system on CP. Technically you can run job ads through the existing advertising system. The other side is that most of us are employed and jobs are an integral part of our careers. Creating a jobs board on CP is fleshing out another area of development, just like adding Java or another forum does. Skills, resumes, interview techniques and choosing the right job are all part of what we do everyday and to be able to do it on CP instead of Monster or another job site is welcome. One thing I can say is that you would be hard pressed to find a fairer or more ethical man than Chris. As he mentions he built CP with his own hands and he isn't about to sell it out for a few measly job dollars. Your concerns are important and need to be brought up but I am standing-up and saying you don't have to worry on CP.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
-
Ditto that was my thought on this point sigh...
-
bigdenny200 wrote:
goes far beyond earning the costs of running several CP severs.
I'm thinking you are SERIOUSLY underestimating the costs involved in creating, operating and maintaining this site.
Ditto.
-
"If Chris, et.al. were creating the jobs board specifically for profit, I might consider it to be borderline conflict-of-interest". I think your reply was the most adequate, and actually I am still not convinvced that this is done not solely for the profit; I am sure, you are'nt either :).
Honestly, you keep repeating "for profit" and I keep thinking "for profit with reference to WHAT?" Assuming that CP is a completely break-even proposition at this moment in time, what is its budget for R&D? and does the generation of income in excess of what it takes to break even for the purpose of R&D truly rate the name "for profit" under these circumstances? It is not obvious what you mean when you write "for profit." If you could state clearly and concretely what you mean, I think it would end this discussion rather quickly.
-
I understand your concerns but a job board is another form of advertising and this is what enables CP to keep paying the hosting and development bills. Without it you don't get the free articles and forums. If you have concerns with the job board then you must also have concerns with the advertising system on CP. Technically you can run job ads through the existing advertising system. The other side is that most of us are employed and jobs are an integral part of our careers. Creating a jobs board on CP is fleshing out another area of development, just like adding Java or another forum does. Skills, resumes, interview techniques and choosing the right job are all part of what we do everyday and to be able to do it on CP instead of Monster or another job site is welcome. One thing I can say is that you would be hard pressed to find a fairer or more ethical man than Chris. As he mentions he built CP with his own hands and he isn't about to sell it out for a few measly job dollars. Your concerns are important and need to be brought up but I am standing-up and saying you don't have to worry on CP.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
Paul Watson wrote:
As he mentions he built CP with his own hands and he isn't about to sell it out for a few measly job dollars.
Yeah, but he seems to be a pretty bright guy, so if someone came along with a HUGE BUTTWAD of job dollars... :omg:
Someone's gotta be the last to know, but why is it always me?
-
Paul Watson wrote:
As he mentions he built CP with his own hands and he isn't about to sell it out for a few measly job dollars.
Yeah, but he seems to be a pretty bright guy, so if someone came along with a HUGE BUTTWAD of job dollars... :omg:
Someone's gotta be the last to know, but why is it always me?
goodideadave wrote:
so if someone came along with a HUGE BUTTWAD of job dollars...
erm...so?
-
Hey All, I wonder, how "ethically" correct it is to create a web-site like, jobs.codeproject.com, within (please correct me if I am wrong) the codeproject.com site. The community at CP, is mostly doing what they do for free, and I don't think it is a good idea, to "use" this fact, in order to run a business like jobs.codeproject.com. In a way, it turns CP to a web-site which is masked under the name of a free software developer's community, while at the same time, its owners get highly paid by employers for running the job.codeproject.com service. In the very least case, I think these web-sites should be hosted on two different domains. Else, one will end up with a web-site offering jobs, and no more developers :). Please don't get furious :). Just putting my opinion, I am sure many have thought about this beforehand, and also I think, the reality might be a bit different then I described. So, simple clarifications (without swearings) and discussions would be welcome. PS. Another implication can be that, when one sees a "great" article by some programmer at CP, one does not know it anymore, whether it was done on a purely enthusiastic basis, or with the purpose to attract job seekers. Of course, this is always the case, since someone can link to his article on CP, but with this new approach it makes it even more obvious and noticable. PS2. I think that if the web-site goes on running, it should limit itself in terms of received vacancies, and not become very massive. Else, CP will turn into an employment agency, instead of a software developer community, after a while. Cheers.
I think you have too much free time on your hands. I also think that policemen should spend their time chasing murderers and rapists.