PS3 Nonsense
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Ok. Now the blue-ray vs. HD-DVD war is over, I thought I would treat my family with a new PS3. ;) My parents bought one six? months ago, so whenever we go over, my kids play it. They bought a few PS2 games for it. Happily I go out to a national retailer to by it. They only had the 40GB model in stock (I could care less since I am not a big gamer) for $399, so while they get the box out of the back, we pick up several games that my parents have for the kids. I make it home (after flipping coins to see which game is played first to stop the fighting), and while I am plugging it in, the kids open all four of the games. I pop it in and get an unrecognized format error. Try another one, same thing. I called my parents to make sure those were PS2 games. Yup. Fustrated, I called Sony. They were happy to inform me that only the 20, 60, and 80 GB models play PS2 games and it says it on the box. :mad: I am pretty furious at this point, for one that they would eliminate a major feature from the new model without changing the name (like buying a corvette only to learn it runs on deisel) :wtf: , two, because it is on the box, but I didn't have much time to examine it at the store with my family in tow :sigh:, and three the sales associates didn't let me know of this major limitation. :confused: So, an hour later, I take it back. No harm, just lost time and my kids are upset. Come to find out, that they have a store policy that does not allow them to take back open games, you will have to talk to the manager. :mad: In the end, I got my money back. :cool:
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Ok. Now the blue-ray vs. HD-DVD war is over, I thought I would treat my family with a new PS3. ;) My parents bought one six? months ago, so whenever we go over, my kids play it. They bought a few PS2 games for it. Happily I go out to a national retailer to by it. They only had the 40GB model in stock (I could care less since I am not a big gamer) for $399, so while they get the box out of the back, we pick up several games that my parents have for the kids. I make it home (after flipping coins to see which game is played first to stop the fighting), and while I am plugging it in, the kids open all four of the games. I pop it in and get an unrecognized format error. Try another one, same thing. I called my parents to make sure those were PS2 games. Yup. Fustrated, I called Sony. They were happy to inform me that only the 20, 60, and 80 GB models play PS2 games and it says it on the box. :mad: I am pretty furious at this point, for one that they would eliminate a major feature from the new model without changing the name (like buying a corvette only to learn it runs on deisel) :wtf: , two, because it is on the box, but I didn't have much time to examine it at the store with my family in tow :sigh:, and three the sales associates didn't let me know of this major limitation. :confused: So, an hour later, I take it back. No harm, just lost time and my kids are upset. Come to find out, that they have a store policy that does not allow them to take back open games, you will have to talk to the manager. :mad: In the end, I got my money back. :cool:
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Ok. Now the blue-ray vs. HD-DVD war is over, I thought I would treat my family with a new PS3. ;) My parents bought one six? months ago, so whenever we go over, my kids play it. They bought a few PS2 games for it. Happily I go out to a national retailer to by it. They only had the 40GB model in stock (I could care less since I am not a big gamer) for $399, so while they get the box out of the back, we pick up several games that my parents have for the kids. I make it home (after flipping coins to see which game is played first to stop the fighting), and while I am plugging it in, the kids open all four of the games. I pop it in and get an unrecognized format error. Try another one, same thing. I called my parents to make sure those were PS2 games. Yup. Fustrated, I called Sony. They were happy to inform me that only the 20, 60, and 80 GB models play PS2 games and it says it on the box. :mad: I am pretty furious at this point, for one that they would eliminate a major feature from the new model without changing the name (like buying a corvette only to learn it runs on deisel) :wtf: , two, because it is on the box, but I didn't have much time to examine it at the store with my family in tow :sigh:, and three the sales associates didn't let me know of this major limitation. :confused: So, an hour later, I take it back. No harm, just lost time and my kids are upset. Come to find out, that they have a store policy that does not allow them to take back open games, you will have to talk to the manager. :mad: In the end, I got my money back. :cool:
TigerTechie wrote:
I am pretty furious at this point, for one that they would eliminate a major feature from the new model without changing the name
Um... is it not called a PS3? :laugh: Sorry, had too.... I also hate the fact that these game companies play around with consumers like they do...
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TigerTechie wrote:
I am pretty furious at this point, for one that they would eliminate a major feature from the new model without changing the name
Um... is it not called a PS3? :laugh: Sorry, had too.... I also hate the fact that these game companies play around with consumers like they do...
Ray Cassick wrote:
is it not called a PS3
Yes but Sony consistently said it would run PS2 games perfectly. This was repeated over and over in the PS3 build to it's release. I'm amazed they removed it.
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TigerTechie wrote:
I am pretty furious at this point, for one that they would eliminate a major feature from the new model without changing the name
Um... is it not called a PS3? :laugh: Sorry, had too.... I also hate the fact that these game companies play around with consumers like they do...
Ray Cassick wrote:
Um... is it not called a PS3?
But the 20GB, 60GB and 80GB models that do play the PS2 games are all also PS3's. From what the OP said the 40GB model is the new one, has the same name, PS3, and now doesn't support the PS2 games.
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Ray Cassick wrote:
Um... is it not called a PS3?
But the 20GB, 60GB and 80GB models that do play the PS2 games are all also PS3's. From what the OP said the 40GB model is the new one, has the same name, PS3, and now doesn't support the PS2 games.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
I agree.. its stupid. Probably some marketing idiot that decided that people that buy the 20 Gig model will be price conscious and NEED to keep their older games and the folks that can afford the 60 and 80 Gig are more prone to be spenders, have tons of PS2 games and expect them to work (and be ready to complain hard when they don't) so the 40 Gig users get screwed. Amazes me how this stuff gets in there. Look into the crappy business practices around the WII and how they are purposely under-building to keep the prices high. They are all scum as far as I am concerned.. I for one am voting with my wallet.
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Ray Cassick wrote:
Um... is it not called a PS3?
But the 20GB, 60GB and 80GB models that do play the PS2 games are all also PS3's. From what the OP said the 40GB model is the new one, has the same name, PS3, and now doesn't support the PS2 games.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Ray Cassick wrote:
Um... is it not called a PS3?
But the 20GB, 60GB and 80GB models that do play the PS2 games are all also PS3's. From what the OP said the 40GB model is the new one, has the same name, PS3, and now doesn't support the PS2 games.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
They've cut a lot of corners to reduce manufacturing costs and bring the cost down under 400 dollars. IIRC, they've totally removed the chip that handles backward compatibility to PS2 games.
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Ok. Now the blue-ray vs. HD-DVD war is over, I thought I would treat my family with a new PS3. ;) My parents bought one six? months ago, so whenever we go over, my kids play it. They bought a few PS2 games for it. Happily I go out to a national retailer to by it. They only had the 40GB model in stock (I could care less since I am not a big gamer) for $399, so while they get the box out of the back, we pick up several games that my parents have for the kids. I make it home (after flipping coins to see which game is played first to stop the fighting), and while I am plugging it in, the kids open all four of the games. I pop it in and get an unrecognized format error. Try another one, same thing. I called my parents to make sure those were PS2 games. Yup. Fustrated, I called Sony. They were happy to inform me that only the 20, 60, and 80 GB models play PS2 games and it says it on the box. :mad: I am pretty furious at this point, for one that they would eliminate a major feature from the new model without changing the name (like buying a corvette only to learn it runs on deisel) :wtf: , two, because it is on the box, but I didn't have much time to examine it at the store with my family in tow :sigh:, and three the sales associates didn't let me know of this major limitation. :confused: So, an hour later, I take it back. No harm, just lost time and my kids are upset. Come to find out, that they have a store policy that does not allow them to take back open games, you will have to talk to the manager. :mad: In the end, I got my money back. :cool:
I am not a fan of Sony or defending them in this. But I have seen that Sony mentioned this many times. In fact most of the retailers who sell PS3 40GB model (Costco,Walmart, Circuit City, BestBuy etc - atleast in our area) put signs telling that this model (40GB model) won't play PS2 games. In SonyStyle web site, it is written as 'red letter note' The PS3 60GB and 20GB are discontinued models. The PS2 game support on PS3 80GB model is based on the software (I think they have inlcuded an emulator for PS2 games). What I have heard that, the software based PS2 support (in 80GB model) does not guarentee 100% PS2 compatibility (some of the games won't play etc). The PS3 60GB model has a chip included and plays the PS2 games and it is better than the software based solution within 80GB. Too bad that Sony stopped making these models. I heard that it was not cost effective for Sony to make this particular model due to the extra hardware. Now Sony has only two models (40GB and 80GB). You may be able to get 60GB in EBAY... The other difference between 40GB and 80GB is the SACD support in 80GB. Personally I don't care about SACD. I also heard that the 80GB model is creating too much noise from the fan !!!!!
modified on Monday, June 23, 2008 11:59 AM
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Ok. Now the blue-ray vs. HD-DVD war is over, I thought I would treat my family with a new PS3. ;) My parents bought one six? months ago, so whenever we go over, my kids play it. They bought a few PS2 games for it. Happily I go out to a national retailer to by it. They only had the 40GB model in stock (I could care less since I am not a big gamer) for $399, so while they get the box out of the back, we pick up several games that my parents have for the kids. I make it home (after flipping coins to see which game is played first to stop the fighting), and while I am plugging it in, the kids open all four of the games. I pop it in and get an unrecognized format error. Try another one, same thing. I called my parents to make sure those were PS2 games. Yup. Fustrated, I called Sony. They were happy to inform me that only the 20, 60, and 80 GB models play PS2 games and it says it on the box. :mad: I am pretty furious at this point, for one that they would eliminate a major feature from the new model without changing the name (like buying a corvette only to learn it runs on deisel) :wtf: , two, because it is on the box, but I didn't have much time to examine it at the store with my family in tow :sigh:, and three the sales associates didn't let me know of this major limitation. :confused: So, an hour later, I take it back. No harm, just lost time and my kids are upset. Come to find out, that they have a store policy that does not allow them to take back open games, you will have to talk to the manager. :mad: In the end, I got my money back. :cool:
TigerTechie wrote:
Fustrated, I called Sony. They were happy to inform me that only the 20, 60, and 80 GB models play PS2 games and it says it on the box.
But the 40GB model won't? Huh. That seems a rather arbitrary limitation. Is there any other difference between the 40GB model and the others?
TigerTechie wrote:
I am pretty furious at this point, for one that they would eliminate a major feature from the new model without changing the name (like buying a corvette only to learn it runs on deisel) , two, because it is on the box, but I didn't have much time to examine it at the store with my family in tow , and three the sales associates didn't let me know of this major limitation.
Yup, I hear you on that.
TigerTechie wrote:
In the end, I got my money back.
I'm glad to hear it. :) Thanks for the head's up. I've been considering buying a PS3 and now know to watch out for this.
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I am not a fan of Sony or defending them in this. But I have seen that Sony mentioned this many times. In fact most of the retailers who sell PS3 40GB model (Costco,Walmart, Circuit City, BestBuy etc - atleast in our area) put signs telling that this model (40GB model) won't play PS2 games. In SonyStyle web site, it is written as 'red letter note' The PS3 60GB and 20GB are discontinued models. The PS2 game support on PS3 80GB model is based on the software (I think they have inlcuded an emulator for PS2 games). What I have heard that, the software based PS2 support (in 80GB model) does not guarentee 100% PS2 compatibility (some of the games won't play etc). The PS3 60GB model has a chip included and plays the PS2 games and it is better than the software based solution within 80GB. Too bad that Sony stopped making these models. I heard that it was not cost effective for Sony to make this particular model due to the extra hardware. Now Sony has only two models (40GB and 80GB). You may be able to get 60GB in EBAY... The other difference between 40GB and 80GB is the SACD support in 80GB. Personally I don't care about SACD. I also heard that the 80GB model is creating too much noise from the fan !!!!!
modified on Monday, June 23, 2008 11:59 AM
Madhu Cheriyedath wrote:
The PS3 60GB and 20GB are discontinued models. The PS2 game support on PS3 80GB model is based on the software (I think they have inlcuded an emulator for PS2 games). What I have heard that the software based PS2 support (in 80GB model) does not guarentee 100% PS2 compatibility (some of the games won't pay etc). The PS3 60GB model has a chip included and plays the PS2 games and it is better than the software based solution within 80GB. Too bad that Sony stopped making these models. I heard that it was not cost effective for Sony to make this particular model due to the extra hardware. Now Sony has only two models (40GB and 80GB). You may be able to get 60GB...
Thanks for the info. I imagine this may drive up prices of used PS3's.
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They've cut a lot of corners to reduce manufacturing costs and bring the cost down under 400 dollars. IIRC, they've totally removed the chip that handles backward compatibility to PS2 games.
I can see that. When I worked at Compaq some years back, they removed the battery holder (10 cents) to save $100,000 on a model. It probably originated from some marketing weasel that noticed a spike in PS2 games ($20 per game) when all the profit is in the PS3 games ($60 per game). They didn't think that non gamers were buying the PS3 because the price difference between a blue-ray player only and a PS3 was $10. Why not add the functionality of playing games, media server, etc? They also didn't think that most of the kids games are available for the PS2, not the PS3!!! The 20GB and 60GB models are discontinued, but I assumed they just upped the storage to 40GB and 80GB. I kick myself, because I vowed never to buy a Sony product after the Sony-BMG rootkit scandel.
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Ok. Now the blue-ray vs. HD-DVD war is over, I thought I would treat my family with a new PS3. ;) My parents bought one six? months ago, so whenever we go over, my kids play it. They bought a few PS2 games for it. Happily I go out to a national retailer to by it. They only had the 40GB model in stock (I could care less since I am not a big gamer) for $399, so while they get the box out of the back, we pick up several games that my parents have for the kids. I make it home (after flipping coins to see which game is played first to stop the fighting), and while I am plugging it in, the kids open all four of the games. I pop it in and get an unrecognized format error. Try another one, same thing. I called my parents to make sure those were PS2 games. Yup. Fustrated, I called Sony. They were happy to inform me that only the 20, 60, and 80 GB models play PS2 games and it says it on the box. :mad: I am pretty furious at this point, for one that they would eliminate a major feature from the new model without changing the name (like buying a corvette only to learn it runs on deisel) :wtf: , two, because it is on the box, but I didn't have much time to examine it at the store with my family in tow :sigh:, and three the sales associates didn't let me know of this major limitation. :confused: So, an hour later, I take it back. No harm, just lost time and my kids are upset. Come to find out, that they have a store policy that does not allow them to take back open games, you will have to talk to the manager. :mad: In the end, I got my money back. :cool:
Yeah, Sony really messed up - not only do some models fail to play PS2 games, of the ones that do some do only sofware emulation. Ars Technica's Frank Caron describes his battle with this issue[^]...
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Ray Cassick wrote:
is it not called a PS3
Yes but Sony consistently said it would run PS2 games perfectly. This was repeated over and over in the PS3 build to it's release. I'm amazed they removed it.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Sony consistently said it would run PS2 games perfectly.
Absolute rubbish.....even for those models that were able to play PS2 game, it's CLEARLY stated in the manual that they may not play correctly or at all.... I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy for you - ....let's call a spade a spade here - it says it all over the box, and if you didn't read that, who's fualt is it? You say that you weren't informed of a "major limitation" of the PS3 - since when has playing PS2 games been the point of a PS3 - you want to play PS2 games? BUY_A_PS2....you want to play PS3 games? Buy a PS3.... CAVEAT EMPTOR
C# has already designed away most of the tedium of C++.
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Ok. Now the blue-ray vs. HD-DVD war is over, I thought I would treat my family with a new PS3. ;) My parents bought one six? months ago, so whenever we go over, my kids play it. They bought a few PS2 games for it. Happily I go out to a national retailer to by it. They only had the 40GB model in stock (I could care less since I am not a big gamer) for $399, so while they get the box out of the back, we pick up several games that my parents have for the kids. I make it home (after flipping coins to see which game is played first to stop the fighting), and while I am plugging it in, the kids open all four of the games. I pop it in and get an unrecognized format error. Try another one, same thing. I called my parents to make sure those were PS2 games. Yup. Fustrated, I called Sony. They were happy to inform me that only the 20, 60, and 80 GB models play PS2 games and it says it on the box. :mad: I am pretty furious at this point, for one that they would eliminate a major feature from the new model without changing the name (like buying a corvette only to learn it runs on deisel) :wtf: , two, because it is on the box, but I didn't have much time to examine it at the store with my family in tow :sigh:, and three the sales associates didn't let me know of this major limitation. :confused: So, an hour later, I take it back. No harm, just lost time and my kids are upset. Come to find out, that they have a store policy that does not allow them to take back open games, you will have to talk to the manager. :mad: In the end, I got my money back. :cool:
I saw a brand new PS2 the other day for less than £50. Not my type of thing, really, but if I wanted to play Playstation 2 games that's what I'd get.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Sony consistently said it would run PS2 games perfectly.
Absolute rubbish.....even for those models that were able to play PS2 game, it's CLEARLY stated in the manual that they may not play correctly or at all.... I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy for you - ....let's call a spade a spade here - it says it all over the box, and if you didn't read that, who's fualt is it? You say that you weren't informed of a "major limitation" of the PS3 - since when has playing PS2 games been the point of a PS3 - you want to play PS2 games? BUY_A_PS2....you want to play PS3 games? Buy a PS3.... CAVEAT EMPTOR
C# has already designed away most of the tedium of C++.
Wow, someone is a Sony fanboy.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
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Wow, someone is a Sony fanboy.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
Not even vaguely.....as it happens, the only reason that I even have a PS3 is cos I got it free with my phone - I was a Wii owner LONG before that..... If anything, I'm a Samsung fan - phones, tvs, dvd players et al are all Samsung in my house :). Pesonally I wouldn't touch Sony kit - too overpriced and not functional enough for me I'm afraid.....
C# has already designed away most of the tedium of C++.
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I saw a brand new PS2 the other day for less than £50. Not my type of thing, really, but if I wanted to play Playstation 2 games that's what I'd get.
Really, I could care less if it played ATARI games or whatever... The point is my expectation was set experience by the prior two models performing a function, that when I purchased it, I was flabbergahsted when it didn't perform the exact function. Imagine if you used Office 2003 on Vista Ultimate at work. Love Vista Ultimate sooo much because of other features as well, loaded it on your PC to come to find out, no, really you can't run Office 2003 on it anymore. We changed that with all distributions after yesterday, but are selling it under the same name. Oh..in that case go buy Windows XP. (sorry if this comes off wrong)
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They've cut a lot of corners to reduce manufacturing costs and bring the cost down under 400 dollars. IIRC, they've totally removed the chip that handles backward compatibility to PS2 games.
The original PS3 contained a separate processor that was essentially a PS2 in a single chip. Nowadays the PS3 models that do feature backwards compatibility use an emulator program, which is why they don't guarantee that all of your PS2 games will run correctly.
Imagine that you are hired to build a bridge over a river. The river gets slightly wider every day; sometimes it shrinks but nobody can predict when. Your contract says you can't use concrete or steel - the client only provides timber and cut stone (but won't tell you what kind). Gravity changes from hour to hour, as does the viscosity of air. Your only tools are a hacksaw, a chainsaw, a rubber mallet, and a length of rope. Welcome to my world. -Me explaining my job to an engineer
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Sony consistently said it would run PS2 games perfectly.
Absolute rubbish.....even for those models that were able to play PS2 game, it's CLEARLY stated in the manual that they may not play correctly or at all.... I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy for you - ....let's call a spade a spade here - it says it all over the box, and if you didn't read that, who's fualt is it? You say that you weren't informed of a "major limitation" of the PS3 - since when has playing PS2 games been the point of a PS3 - you want to play PS2 games? BUY_A_PS2....you want to play PS3 games? Buy a PS3.... CAVEAT EMPTOR
C# has already designed away most of the tedium of C++.
RichardGrimmer wrote:
Absolute rubbish.....even for those models that were able to play PS2 game, it's CLEARLY stated in the manual that they may not play correctly or at all....
Dude, I had to BUY it first to read the manual. And what engineer reads manuals? ;)
RichardGrimmer wrote:
I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy for you - ....let's call a spade a spade here - it says it all over the box, and if you didn't read that, who's fualt is it?
You are right. It is my fault for not reading the box first. The problem is that they changed the feature set without changing the product name. If my kids had never experienced playing PS2 games on a PS3, I probably would not have ever have tried. But they did, so I expected it to continue to do so under the same product name. So in a nutshell... 20GB - My kids played Sonic the Hedgehog (PS2) on a PS3. 40GB - They could not play Sonic the Hedgehog (PS2) on a PS3. They should have named the 40GB model the PS3-2. No problem from me.