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I think ultimately this decision will have two important factors. I mean what is your employer / local market using? What do you like?
John
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I like Qt, hate the price. :)
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Use VCF or wxWidgets then They are free.
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Web dev wins by a nose, simply by managing to stay slightly less insane than Win32/WinForms. Frankly though, i much prefer dev that doesn't consist primarily of working around bad design decisions in the platform.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
Shog9 wrote:
i much prefer dev that doesn't consist primarily of working around bad design decisions in the platform
well then how would you spend all that extra time...
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I like Qt, hate the price. :)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
Good thing I am doing open source (government funded medical research) programming so its free for us. Being a long time MFC programmer who has written 500K lines of MFC I am amazed on how much better Qt is than MFC. Specifically its much better designed and does not suffer from a lot of bad decisions that were made decades ago. Also it comes with tons of functionality that I had to create for myself when using MFC (reason for many of those 500K lines...)
John
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Good thing I am doing open source (government funded medical research) programming so its free for us. Being a long time MFC programmer who has written 500K lines of MFC I am amazed on how much better Qt is than MFC. Specifically its much better designed and does not suffer from a lot of bad decisions that were made decades ago. Also it comes with tons of functionality that I had to create for myself when using MFC (reason for many of those 500K lines...)
John
we bought it at work, I just can't afford to at home. :-D
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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Web dev wins by a nose, simply by managing to stay slightly less insane than Win32/WinForms. Frankly though, i much prefer dev that doesn't consist primarily of working around bad design decisions in the platform.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
Shog9 wrote:
Web dev wins by a nose
Shog9 wrote:
i much prefer dev that doesn't consist primarily of working around bad design decisions in the platform
Aren't they somewhat of a contradictory statements.
Proud to be a CPHog user
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we bought it at work, I just can't afford to at home. :-D
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
El Corazon wrote:
I just can't afford to at home.
Maybe this is a blessing. I mean not being able to bring the work home. For me this was one of my motivations (years ago) for installing linux at home (so I could not use Visual Studio).
John
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meenakumar wrote:
Which one you prefer
Whatever my clients will pay me to do. :)
Kevin
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windows, VB
My Blog: http://cynicalclots.blogspot.com
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Web dev wins by a nose, simply by managing to stay slightly less insane than Win32/WinForms. Frankly though, i much prefer dev that doesn't consist primarily of working around bad design decisions in the platform.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
Shog9 wrote:
Frankly though, i much prefer dev that doesn't consist primarily of working around bad design decisions in the platform.
me too... and that's why my favorite of all my products are the graphics toolkits - nothing but pointers, loops, and wide-open buffers.
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El Corazon wrote:
I just can't afford to at home.
Maybe this is a blessing. I mean not being able to bring the work home. For me this was one of my motivations (years ago) for installing linux at home (so I could not use Visual Studio).
John
John M. Drescher wrote:
I mean not being able to bring the work home.
that doesn't stop me. I vm'd my entire work PC, so Intel compiler, MS IDE, Qt, et al). No I meant my work business at home has to take different directions. Which is not a bad thing, it makes it easier to keep the two separate. :)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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Use VCF or wxWidgets then They are free.
:..::. Douglas H. Troy ::..
Bad Astronomy |VCF|wxWidgets|WTLI do. :)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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Shog9 wrote:
Web dev wins by a nose
Shog9 wrote:
i much prefer dev that doesn't consist primarily of working around bad design decisions in the platform
Aren't they somewhat of a contradictory statements.
Proud to be a CPHog user
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Aren't they somewhat of a contradictory statements.
No. Browser incompatibilities are a pain in the... neck, but the various designs are no where near as infuriating as that big ball of mud we call Win32. Example: There are some ugly, ugly hacks in the various JS libraries, but they have a long way to go before they match the sort of insane stuff that happens inside WinForms or MFC.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
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meenakumar wrote:
Which one you prefer
Whatever my clients will pay me to do. :)
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Whatever my clients will pay me to do.
Exactly why I do C++, C# and others. :) I am not greedy, but I don't turn away good money. Bad money, well, I can turn away. I haven't met bad money yet, but I just wanted to clarify. :-D
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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I hope that I prefer web development more since 99% of the applications I write are in ASP.Net. I might enjoy windows programming, but there seems to be less demand for it. Business want web applications these days even when it doesn't make sense. No one wants to be updating client machines.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
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Shog9 wrote:
Frankly though, i much prefer dev that doesn't consist primarily of working around bad design decisions in the platform.
me too... and that's why my favorite of all my products are the graphics toolkits - nothing but pointers, loops, and wide-open buffers.
Chris Losinger wrote:
pointers, loops, and wide-open buffers.
Enough with the pillow talk, Chris. This is a family forum. :-\
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meenakumar wrote:
Which one you prefer, like or feel more challenging..
I probably prefer web development, due to the (slightly) better documentation offered, but I have occasions with both where I want to throw myself out of a third storey window..
meenakumar wrote:
does c++ has scope still?
I still code with it, although I guess some would argue that you can get more from something like C# more easily as its a higher-level language, but I'm not particularly a fan of .NET anyway. Regards, --Perspx
Don't trust a computer you can't throw out a window
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Whatever my clients will pay me to do.
Exactly why I do C++, C# and others. :) I am not greedy, but I don't turn away good money. Bad money, well, I can turn away. I haven't met bad money yet, but I just wanted to clarify. :-D
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
Let me introduce you then. "I'll give you $75 to make a site like ebay only better" El Corazon, this is bad money. Bad Money, El Corazon. :laugh:
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John M. Drescher wrote:
I mean not being able to bring the work home.
that doesn't stop me. I vm'd my entire work PC, so Intel compiler, MS IDE, Qt, et al). No I meant my work business at home has to take different directions. Which is not a bad thing, it makes it easier to keep the two separate. :)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
El Corazon wrote:
No I meant my work business at home has to take different directions.
Ahh. No time for that..
John
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Good thing I am doing open source (government funded medical research) programming so its free for us. Being a long time MFC programmer who has written 500K lines of MFC I am amazed on how much better Qt is than MFC. Specifically its much better designed and does not suffer from a lot of bad decisions that were made decades ago. Also it comes with tons of functionality that I had to create for myself when using MFC (reason for many of those 500K lines...)
John
I've always read articles and posts about how great Qt is compared to MFC. Having suffered a lot from MFC's macros and ATL's templates (I mean, I like templates, but don't take it to the extreme!), I've always told myself I would find the time to learn Qt, but, damn, time is so scarce... To be honest, perhaps I haven't tried yet because I'm afraid of the learning curve. I'm quite proficient in MFC (not great, just good enough to do what I need to), I wonder how much it will take me to be able to do with Qt what I currently do with MFC (computer graphics and heavy use of the Doc/View architecture, mainly).
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