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  • C Christian Graus

    I'd have assumed that without even checking. The US would be significant, just because. India would be biggest for obvious reasons - the forums are full of indians who take work they can't do, and use CP to get it done.

    Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.

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    cpkilekofp
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    Christian Graus wrote:

    I'd have assumed that without even checking. The US would be significant, just because. India would be biggest for obvious reasons - the forums are full of indians who take work they can't do, and use CP to get it done.

    Don't get me started...in 2000, a fast-talking 25yo smart guy from Poona, brought in with about a dozen others from an Indian outsourcing firm to flesh out the development team for an Internet startup of which I was half the original development team, got my manager to make him project leader because he "learned HTML in a weekend" and taught himself Visual Basic...of course, prior to his appointment, he'd never actually done ANY programming professionally...the manager thought I was lying when I told him this, and banished me to maintenance...three failed software releases later, the smart guy was moved to a documentation project in California by his company (well away from us), my manager got "kicked upstairs" to a job he was competent at, and I burned out to a flickering crisp from trying to fix the damage and, after fending off a parting-shot attempt by my manager to get me fired, got layed off instead (difference being I collected unemployment, plus it looked better in future interviews). Then there were the two programmers from the same consulant who could barely speak English, spent all their time learning VB instead of programming - I actually walked one of them through all the code she needed to implement a specific project (moderate modifications of code that me and my associate had written two years earlier), then watched as she failed to make ANY headway for the ensuing two months. Mind, some of the finest developers and managers I know are Indian expats, including especially Ganesh Nathan, a former boss of mine, and tales such as the above are not unique to the world's largest democracy (I have a few tales about Russians as well). "A few bad apples....".

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    • F Filip C

      Seems like i'm the only one from Belgium :)

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      Hamid Taebi
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      No its not ture Cedric Moonen,he is forum Belgium on the VC++ forum. :-D

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      • C chaiguy1337

        Funny how Canada's #10 and CodeProject is a Canadian site! (last I checked)

        “Time and space can be a bitch.” –Gushie, Quantum Leap {o,o}.oO(   Check out my blog!   ) |)””’)                piHole.org -”-”-

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        Hamid Taebi
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        And its wonderful for me because I thought that Unitaed states and canada are first in this list!

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          And its wonderful for me because I thought that Unitaed states and canada are first in this list!

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          Yep, CodeProject is more popular in Iran than it is here in its native country.* :) *That's not entirely true, of course, since popularity is generally represented per capita, which this is of course not, and Iran has about twice the population of Canada.

          “Time and space can be a bitch.” –Gushie, Quantum Leap {o,o}.oO(   Check out my blog!   ) |)””’)                piHole.org -”-”-

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          • C chaiguy1337

            Yep, CodeProject is more popular in Iran than it is here in its native country.* :) *That's not entirely true, of course, since popularity is generally represented per capita, which this is of course not, and Iran has about twice the population of Canada.

            “Time and space can be a bitch.” –Gushie, Quantum Leap {o,o}.oO(   Check out my blog!   ) |)””’)                piHole.org -”-”-

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            Hamid Taebi
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            Exactly I didnt think about Iran but where are they? :-D

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            • H Hamid Taebi

              Exactly I didnt think about Iran but where are they? :-D

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              chaiguy1337
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              Iran is #6, and correction: Canada is #9. Either I miscounted the first time or it just went up a spot. :)

              “Time and space can be a bitch.” –Gushie, Quantum Leap {o,o}.oO(   Check out my blog!   ) |)””’)                piHole.org -”-”-

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              • C chaiguy1337

                Iran is #6, and correction: Canada is #9. Either I miscounted the first time or it just went up a spot. :)

                “Time and space can be a bitch.” –Gushie, Quantum Leap {o,o}.oO(   Check out my blog!   ) |)””’)                piHole.org -”-”-

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                Hamid Taebi
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                About India I think its true because most people on the codeproject are of India you can see them of their names but you know some people like change name of his/her country on the combobox field(Of course I dont know why but its possible)(except this subject if you live on the Canada I must be say you have very good country I like it :) ).

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                  About India I think its true because most people on the codeproject are of India you can see them of their names but you know some people like change name of his/her country on the combobox field(Of course I dont know why but its possible)(except this subject if you live on the Canada I must be say you have very good country I like it :) ).

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                  chaiguy1337
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                  Yes I'm quite fond of my country, and I hope it stays that way. It worries me that we might be getting a little too involved in this "war" the US started. I just hope Canada can maintain its own agenda and not get bullied into just doing whatever the Americans do.

                  “Time and space can be a bitch.” –Gushie, Quantum Leap {o,o}.oO(   Check out my blog!   ) |)””’)                piHole.org -”-”-

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                  • C chaiguy1337

                    Yes I'm quite fond of my country, and I hope it stays that way. It worries me that we might be getting a little too involved in this "war" the US started. I just hope Canada can maintain its own agenda and not get bullied into just doing whatever the Americans do.

                    “Time and space can be a bitch.” –Gushie, Quantum Leap {o,o}.oO(   Check out my blog!   ) |)””’)                piHole.org -”-”-

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                    Hamid Taebi
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                    I think you are not alone nobody dont like war because its result is light:ruin,anyway some years ago I saw a serial but Im not sure it made on canada or Unitead states its name was North of 60(it was vey beautiful). :) [Add] my guess was right(Canada) "North of 60"[^] [/Add]

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                    • H Hamid Taebi

                      I think you are not alone nobody dont like war because its result is light:ruin,anyway some years ago I saw a serial but Im not sure it made on canada or Unitead states its name was North of 60(it was vey beautiful). :) [Add] my guess was right(Canada) "North of 60"[^] [/Add]

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                      North of 60[^], yeah. Canada's been known to create some pretty good television shows. I especially loved all of the great Canadian children shows growing up. I didn't even realize that they were Canadian-only at the time, but there were some really great, imaginative, educational, and just plain silly shows produced in Canada, and I now realize how fortunate I was to have grown up with them. :) I miss Mr. Dressup. :(

                      “Time and space can be a bitch.” –Gushie, Quantum Leap {o,o}.oO(   Check out my blog!   ) |)””’)                piHole.org -”-”-

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                      • C chaiguy1337

                        North of 60[^], yeah. Canada's been known to create some pretty good television shows. I especially loved all of the great Canadian children shows growing up. I didn't even realize that they were Canadian-only at the time, but there were some really great, imaginative, educational, and just plain silly shows produced in Canada, and I now realize how fortunate I was to have grown up with them. :) I miss Mr. Dressup. :(

                        “Time and space can be a bitch.” –Gushie, Quantum Leap {o,o}.oO(   Check out my blog!   ) |)””’)                piHole.org -”-”-

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                        Hamid Taebi
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                        unfortunately I didnt see them I can guess they were great ;) ,but you forgot a very good TV series ;P "PSI Factor: Chronicles of the Paranormal"[^] I saw some cases that Dan Aykroyd told about them on the real world.

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                        • C Christian Graus

                          I love how rooting in the US means something totally different to in Australia. If I told a girl I was rooting for her, she'd slap me in the face.

                          Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.

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                          Christian Graus wrote:

                          rooting in the US means something totally different to in Australia

                          At a parade during Expo '88 in Brisbane, I overhead a number of very excited/amused Americans eyeing the XXXX promo girls. Here it's a beer, there it's a brand of condoms :laugh: .

                          T-Mac-Oz "When I'm ruler of the universe ... I'm working on it, I'm working on it. I'm just as frustrated as you are. It turns out to be a non-trivial problem." - Linus Torvalds

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                          • C Christian Graus

                            Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                            It would be like delivering a wedgy to myself.

                            I'd love to see that. We toyed with the idea of outsourcing when I was flat out with work 24/7 last year. I thought that it would make sense to pay someone to do the more straightforward work, and I could work between projects doing the complex stuff. It was a disaster. I mention this b/c it's the only reason I can think why you'd do some outsourcing.

                            Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.

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                            Christian Graus wrote:

                            We toyed with the idea of outsourcing ... It was a disaster.

                            Similar story, with our core tasks taking up all of our resources, we investigated having some auxiliary tasks outsourced (to the Ukraine in our case, via referral from an associated - not rival - business). After taking the time to fully specify the task, we were quoted a fairly exorbitant amount. When we said, "no, that's too much" we were told that they could do X amount of the work for 1/3 of the original quote. After looking closely at it, X was about 1/3 of the work anyway. No Dice. In the end we postponed the task long enough to be able to contract a local (we're in Australia) on an hourly basis. We already knew he had excellent skills and he got the whole job done in 1/2 the quoted time for 1/5 the quoted price. Final analysis, outsourced labour might be cheap but local skill/talent can end up saving you more in the end. Not saying that all o/s outsource firms lack talent but if you're separated from your development team by an ocean or two and a language barrier, it's much more difficult to evaluate the skill level of the team you're working with. In the grander scheme of things though, the fault lies with bean counters who make decisions based on quoted fees and fail to consider other risks, pitfalls and administrative overhead, in short the total cost of remote management.

                            T-Mac-Oz "When I'm ruler of the universe ... I'm working on it, I'm working on it. I'm just as frustrated as you are. It turns out to be a non-trivial problem." - Linus Torvalds

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                              Go Australia! 2%! :D

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                              T Mac Oz
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                              Ozzie! Ozzie! Ozzie! (normally spelt "Aussie! Aussie! Aussie!" but I thought the above phonetic spelling would work better for our multi-national audience :-D ).

                              T-Mac-Oz "When I'm ruler of the universe ... I'm working on it, I'm working on it. I'm just as frustrated as you are. It turns out to be a non-trivial problem." - Linus Torvalds

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                              • H Hamid Taebi

                                No its not ture Cedric Moonen,he is forum Belgium on the VC++ forum. :-D

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                                Filip C
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                                hmm.. so there is another one eijh..?!

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                                  Ozzie! Ozzie! Ozzie! (normally spelt "Aussie! Aussie! Aussie!" but I thought the above phonetic spelling would work better for our multi-national audience :-D ).

                                  T-Mac-Oz "When I'm ruler of the universe ... I'm working on it, I'm working on it. I'm just as frustrated as you are. It turns out to be a non-trivial problem." - Linus Torvalds

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                                  Oi! Oi! Oi! :D

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                                  • H Hamid Taebi

                                    Interesting info about codeproject Most codeproject users are of india and Unite States,China,etc .See other detaily on the Alexa[^] and see Tuesday 29th February, 2000 Welcome to the Code Project[^]. :-D

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                                    Mark_Wallace
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                                    <grump> I've been in Shanghai for the last two weeks, and I don't even show up as a blip. </grump>

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                                      <grump> I've been in Shanghai for the last two weeks, and I don't even show up as a blip. </grump>

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                                      Hamid Taebi
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                                      You was for trip or work? I think its nice. :)

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                                      • H Hamid Taebi

                                        You was for trip or work? I think its nice. :)

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                                        Mark_Wallace
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                                        I had to meet with some people about some subtitling work, but that was only for two days, so I added a couple of weeks to give myself time to enjoy it. I have to go home, tomorrow :( I don' wanna!!!

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                                          I had to meet with some people about some subtitling work, but that was only for two days, so I added a couple of weeks to give myself time to enjoy it. I have to go home, tomorrow :( I don' wanna!!!

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                                          Hamid Taebi
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                                          Good luck. :-D

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