new version of VS.NET
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i don't know if this has been posted here yet, but later in the year an update to VS.NET will be released by MS. here's the link to the Register's take on it: http://www.theregus.com/content/4/26085.html[^] at the end of the article, they mention a few of the C++ features: Standards compliance is improved - Flores claimed C++ compliance with ANSI in the "high 90s" to simplify porting of code from Linux and Unix to Windows - and Microsoft has added Visual Basic forms-style for used by C++ programmers. Finally, VB style forms development! -John
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i don't know if this has been posted here yet, but later in the year an update to VS.NET will be released by MS. here's the link to the Register's take on it: http://www.theregus.com/content/4/26085.html[^] at the end of the article, they mention a few of the C++ features: Standards compliance is improved - Flores claimed C++ compliance with ANSI in the "high 90s" to simplify porting of code from Linux and Unix to Windows - and Microsoft has added Visual Basic forms-style for used by C++ programmers. Finally, VB style forms development! -John
Oooo, yeah... VB form design... um yeah. I can't wait... Hold me back or I might drive to MS and get an early copy. I don't see how I will survive the long wait. ooo, aaa, ooo :zzz: Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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Oooo, yeah... VB form design... um yeah. I can't wait... Hold me back or I might drive to MS and get an early copy. I don't see how I will survive the long wait. ooo, aaa, ooo :zzz: Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
Tim Smith wrote: Oooo, yeah... VB form design... um yeah. I can't wait... Hold me back or I might drive to MS and get an early copy. I don't see how I will survive the long wait. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :beer:
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Oooo, yeah... VB form design... um yeah. I can't wait... Hold me back or I might drive to MS and get an early copy. I don't see how I will survive the long wait. ooo, aaa, ooo :zzz: Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
:-D sounds silly to your microcontroller programmers but, the lack of a visual editor for c++ forms development is one of the worst lapses in the development of "visual" c++ i have always thought that ms would have greatly simplified the learning curve of MFC if they had produced a visual editor, this would have made it a much more successful product, every programmer had to learn UI programming whether they wanted to or not, this was always a case of Tim Smith wrote: the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that[sic] part of the solution -John
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:-D sounds silly to your microcontroller programmers but, the lack of a visual editor for c++ forms development is one of the worst lapses in the development of "visual" c++ i have always thought that ms would have greatly simplified the learning curve of MFC if they had produced a visual editor, this would have made it a much more successful product, every programmer had to learn UI programming whether they wanted to or not, this was always a case of Tim Smith wrote: the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that[sic] part of the solution -John
You are talking to someone who thinks DDX is too much dumbing down of windows programming. :) Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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:-D sounds silly to your microcontroller programmers but, the lack of a visual editor for c++ forms development is one of the worst lapses in the development of "visual" c++ i have always thought that ms would have greatly simplified the learning curve of MFC if they had produced a visual editor, this would have made it a much more successful product, every programmer had to learn UI programming whether they wanted to or not, this was always a case of Tim Smith wrote: the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that[sic] part of the solution -John
John Morales wrote: have always thought that ms would have greatly simplified the learning curve of MFC if they had produced a visual editor The resource editor is good enough for me. There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
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John Morales wrote: have always thought that ms would have greatly simplified the learning curve of MFC if they had produced a visual editor The resource editor is good enough for me. There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
There is little Visual programming in any on MS products. Systems do exist where programming is done strictly by graphical means. Having a GUI round a resource editor does not make it a Visual language. I wish MS would come up with an innovative XP Basic to inspire young programmers. I remember writting programs on the Dragon 32 when I was very young - could an 8 year old cope with .NET? Davy www.latedecember.com
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i don't know if this has been posted here yet, but later in the year an update to VS.NET will be released by MS. here's the link to the Register's take on it: http://www.theregus.com/content/4/26085.html[^] at the end of the article, they mention a few of the C++ features: Standards compliance is improved - Flores claimed C++ compliance with ANSI in the "high 90s" to simplify porting of code from Linux and Unix to Windows - and Microsoft has added Visual Basic forms-style for used by C++ programmers. Finally, VB style forms development! -John
Sshhhhhhh... it's not supposed to be talked about :) -- Paul "I need the secure packaging of Jockeys. My boys need a house!" - Kramer, in "The Chinese Woman" episode of Seinfeld MS Messenger: paul@oobaloo.co.uk Sonork: 100.22446
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:-D sounds silly to your microcontroller programmers but, the lack of a visual editor for c++ forms development is one of the worst lapses in the development of "visual" c++ i have always thought that ms would have greatly simplified the learning curve of MFC if they had produced a visual editor, this would have made it a much more successful product, every programmer had to learn UI programming whether they wanted to or not, this was always a case of Tim Smith wrote: the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that[sic] part of the solution -John
Got agree with Tim here. I've been doing GUI apps for Windows in MFC since 1993 and never missed having a VB style "visual editor". I find they tend to get in the way of writing solid code. They never generate code how I would do it. Maybe I'm just a dinosaur but I don't see what's wrong with the current dialog editor. Michael :-) Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana
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Sshhhhhhh... it's not supposed to be talked about :) -- Paul "I need the secure packaging of Jockeys. My boys need a house!" - Kramer, in "The Chinese Woman" episode of Seinfeld MS Messenger: paul@oobaloo.co.uk Sonork: 100.22446
Paul Ingles wrote: Sshhhhhhh... it's not supposed to be talked about :) It seems to be a pattern that all the sites that spell .NET as ".Net" break the news first, while those that don't use Word's auto-capitalise wait till the official announcements. I'm not sure I understand how or why that happens... cheers, Chris Maunder