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  • R Rage

    Curious. Every time I complained about IE here, I got seriously voted down. So far, you have only been up-voted. Seems like IE's being good or not also depends on who says it. :) Anyway, I am forced to work with IE6 and the rendering engine is indeed one solid piece of crap.

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    Hans Dietrich
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    Timing is everything. Or in this case, timezone is everything. In a few hours, the IE is god's gift to HTML crowd will log on, and Chris will be severely reprimanded and forced to set his screen background to poofy pink. :)

    Best wishes, Hans


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    • C Chris Maunder

      IE6 is about 17%. Enough to be frustrating.

      cheers, Chris Maunder

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      benjymous
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      if( IE6 ) { redirect "/Articles/FFSGetFirefox.aspx"; }

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      • C Chris Maunder

        It's because I used 'moral turptidude'.

        cheers, Chris Maunder

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        Roger Wright
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        And we're glad you did. :-D Despite your peculiar spelling here... ;P

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        • C Chris Maunder

          After what feels like a complete waste of a day I have graduated to a new level of being offended at IE's rendering engine. I will defend it no more. It's fit only for street urchins, persons of low repute and those engaged in moral turptitude.

          cheers, Chris Maunder

          CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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          Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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          Two years ago I had an opportunity to proof beyond a reasonable doubt that all flavors of IE suck at complex DOM operations; this poor guys code had to be completely trashed because of it. Could you describe your particular problem so we can all share in the hatred? (or is it posted in the ASP.NET forum?) Moral Turpitude, what are in Georgia now?

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          • C Chris Maunder

            IE6 is about 17%. Enough to be frustrating.

            cheers, Chris Maunder

            CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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            Paul Watson
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            That is high for a tech website. Wonder if it is from corporate machines not allowed to upgrade or IE users who don't like the IE7 UI.

            cheers, Paul M. Watson.

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            • C Chris Maunder

              You're a bad man Hans. A bad man.

              cheers, Chris Maunder

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              Paul Watson
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              You could rename the Soapbox to that for awhile, see how people react.

              cheers, Paul M. Watson.

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              • S Simon Capewell

                I feel your pain. We came up with a postback free multi layered modal popup interface using the Ajax Control Toolkit. Worked great in Firefox. IE utterly utterly ballsed it up with elements incorrectly Z ordered, mouse clicks falling through to the wrong elements. Moral. Build your concept layout in Firefox, but be sure to test it properly in IE before committing any time to it. And still the end users say "why would I want to use anything other than IE". How about using a browser that doesn't need to spend 3 seconds "connecting" to about:blank. WTF is there to connect to?

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                Paul Watson
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                Simon Capewell wrote:

                about:blank. WTF is there to connect to?

                http://microsoft.com/analytics/user.aspx?visited=about%3Ablank&ip=192.168.1.1

                cheers, Paul M. Watson.

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                • C Chris Maunder

                  After what feels like a complete waste of a day I have graduated to a new level of being offended at IE's rendering engine. I will defend it no more. It's fit only for street urchins, persons of low repute and those engaged in moral turptitude.

                  cheers, Chris Maunder

                  CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                  ToddHileHoffer
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                  Let me just tell you. I program standard corporate applications for internal use on the company's intranet. I have IE7 and FF installed on my machine. My users have IE6. They can't upgrade because JDE (our expensive accounting app) has not been updated and breaks in IE7. Anyway, I have wasted countless hours "fixing" my applications to work correctly in IE6. IE7 is bearable but IE6 is just awful.

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                  • P Paul Watson

                    Simon Capewell wrote:

                    about:blank. WTF is there to connect to?

                    http://microsoft.com/analytics/user.aspx?visited=about%3Ablank&ip=192.168.1.1

                    cheers, Paul M. Watson.

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                    Simon Capewell
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                    If they're collecting data like that, it'd be no wonder their online division is losing money!

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                    • C Chris Maunder

                      After what feels like a complete waste of a day I have graduated to a new level of being offended at IE's rendering engine. I will defend it no more. It's fit only for street urchins, persons of low repute and those engaged in moral turptitude.

                      cheers, Chris Maunder

                      CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                      Rob Manderson
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                      Chris Maunder wrote:

                      It's fit only for street urchins, persons of low repute and those engaged in moral turptitude

                      Probably explains why I like it!

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                      • C Chris Maunder

                        After what feels like a complete waste of a day I have graduated to a new level of being offended at IE's rendering engine. I will defend it no more. It's fit only for street urchins, persons of low repute and those engaged in moral turptitude.

                        cheers, Chris Maunder

                        CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                        Vikram A Punathambekar
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                        The only place I use IE is at work. I have IE7 because IE6 horribly broke down on my machine and the IT guys decided to grant me an exception and install IE7. Everybody else (all thousands of them) use IE6. All other browsers are banned.

                        Cheers, Vıkram.


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                          The only place I use IE is at work. I have IE7 because IE6 horribly broke down on my machine and the IT guys decided to grant me an exception and install IE7. Everybody else (all thousands of them) use IE6. All other browsers are banned.

                          Cheers, Vıkram.


                          I've never ever worked anywhere where there has not been someone who given the choice I would not work with again. It's a job, you do your work, put up with the people you don't like, accept there are probably people there that don't like you a lot, and look forward to the weekends.   - Josh Gray.

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                          vaghelabhavesh
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                          Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

                          All other browsers are banned.

                          Any specific reason for doing that? I can understand an organization don't use it if they are paid, but almost all browsers are free to download and use then why they are banned. Is MS paying your company to banned all other browsers? :-)

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                            Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

                            All other browsers are banned.

                            Any specific reason for doing that? I can understand an organization don't use it if they are paid, but almost all browsers are free to download and use then why they are banned. Is MS paying your company to banned all other browsers? :-)

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                            Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                            A lot of companies "ban" software. It usually has more to do with the approved list and not allowing any user to install software that is not approved because most users would still expect support.

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                            • C Chris Maunder

                              After what feels like a complete waste of a day I have graduated to a new level of being offended at IE's rendering engine. I will defend it no more. It's fit only for street urchins, persons of low repute and those engaged in moral turptitude.

                              cheers, Chris Maunder

                              CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                              Giorgi Dalakishvili
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                              This might help you a bit: ie7-js[^]

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                              • V vaghelabhavesh

                                Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

                                All other browsers are banned.

                                Any specific reason for doing that? I can understand an organization don't use it if they are paid, but almost all browsers are free to download and use then why they are banned. Is MS paying your company to banned all other browsers? :-)

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                                jeffwask
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                                Because the last thing any IT department wants is users installing their own software, it's just asking for problems. The percentage of users who would screw up or would demand support on their downloaded app far outweighs the ones who would do it "right". Has anyone else here played with IE8? I am contracting for a small company who's website/intranet has grown over the years. Needless to say not much effort was made to go back and clean up old markup that was no longer complaint. Half the site was rendered incorrectly when I tested in IE8. It ran fine in compatbility mode but how many users will figure that out. There will be a lot of scrambling to clean up old code once that beast releases.

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                                • J J4amieC

                                  So, you like it then? ;)

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                                  Jim Crafton
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                                  Duh! Isn't "moral turptitude" what the Internet's built on? :)

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                                  • C Chris Maunder

                                    After what feels like a complete waste of a day I have graduated to a new level of being offended at IE's rendering engine. I will defend it no more. It's fit only for street urchins, persons of low repute and those engaged in moral turptitude.

                                    cheers, Chris Maunder

                                    CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                                    Tim Carmichael
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                                    Do I like IE 6? Well, for the most part, it works for what I use it for at work. Why haven't we upgraded to IE 7? Becuase, before doing so, we have to ensure all applications on the Intranet will work without issue, including third party applications. This is very time consuming and difficult to complete when you have a mix of operating systems (NT, 2000, XP, Server 2000, Server 2003, Terminal Server, etc.) When XP was first introduced, a select portion of the company was all over it, using it as though it were manna from Heaven... until, of course, their applications didn't work anymore. Then, we were suddenly forced to upgrade and repair applications that had been working just fine. So, if its not broke, don't fix it. If IE6 allows you to perform necessary business functions, then, use it. If it doesn't, then address it. Tim

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                                      Do I like IE 6? Well, for the most part, it works for what I use it for at work. Why haven't we upgraded to IE 7? Becuase, before doing so, we have to ensure all applications on the Intranet will work without issue, including third party applications. This is very time consuming and difficult to complete when you have a mix of operating systems (NT, 2000, XP, Server 2000, Server 2003, Terminal Server, etc.) When XP was first introduced, a select portion of the company was all over it, using it as though it were manna from Heaven... until, of course, their applications didn't work anymore. Then, we were suddenly forced to upgrade and repair applications that had been working just fine. So, if its not broke, don't fix it. If IE6 allows you to perform necessary business functions, then, use it. If it doesn't, then address it. Tim

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                                      MikoTheTerrible
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                                      Tim Carmichael wrote:

                                      Becuase, before doing so, we have to ensure all applications on the Intranet will work without issue, including third party applications. This is very time consuming and difficult to complete when you have a mix of operating systems (NT, 2000, XP, Server 2000, Server 2003, Terminal Server, etc.)

                                      So you should be ready to move to IE7 by the time IE8 is out of beta....no, more likely by the time IE9 is out. :laugh:

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                                      • P Paul Watson

                                        That is high for a tech website. Wonder if it is from corporate machines not allowed to upgrade or IE users who don't like the IE7 UI.

                                        cheers, Paul M. Watson.

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                                        Chris Meech
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                                        Paul Watson wrote:

                                        corporate machines not allowed to upgrade

                                        Ding. Ding. Ding. We have a winner here. :)

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                                          Paul Watson wrote:

                                          corporate machines not allowed to upgrade

                                          Ding. Ding. Ding. We have a winner here. :)

                                          Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra]

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                                          Richard Jones
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                                          Yep. My web app looks better on IE7 than IE6, but I can't roll out IE7 yet.

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