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Nobody's asking what he has in his house. I have to show records to board a plane, but he doesn't have to show documents to be elected president. I appreciate your attempt at dismissal on grounds of hypocrisy, but you're comparing apples and elephants.
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What right does the American public have to look at his academic records? I thought the only prerequisite for the Presidency was to be American born? The question of his citizenship has been settled already. The Republicans could have already contested his victory if they thought it was an issue. The transparency he was talking about was government transparency, not transparency of his personal records. I don't understand your concern.
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BoneSoft wrote:
but you're comparing apples and elephants.
Nothing new here in the Soapbox. I remember someone one time comparing driving a bus to flying a jet fighter. :laugh: Really, I'm not making that up. Although if I was, it would be just like getting hit the chest with a sledgehammer.
:laugh: Shame I missed that one. That sounds like some of CSS's handy work (or Adnan). PS. 5 for hillarity and to offset the douchebag who thought that deserved a 1.
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What right does the American public have to look at his academic records? I thought the only prerequisite for the Presidency was to be American born? The question of his citizenship has been settled already. The Republicans could have already contested his victory if they thought it was an issue. The transparency he was talking about was government transparency, not transparency of his personal records. I don't understand your concern.
73Zeppelin wrote:
The transparency he was talking about was government transparency
and he's fucking failed at that already.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
The transparency he was talking about was government transparency
and he's fucking failed at that already.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
and he's f***ing failed at that already.
How's that?
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
and he's f***ing failed at that already.
How's that?
73Zeppelin wrote:
How's that?
there was a promise to post the bill 48 hours before a vote. the damned thing is about to be voted on NOW and was being changed in the dark of the night last night.[^] you can of course say, "but, but that isn't Obama's fault". If you believe that ...
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
How's that?
there was a promise to post the bill 48 hours before a vote. the damned thing is about to be voted on NOW and was being changed in the dark of the night last night.[^] you can of course say, "but, but that isn't Obama's fault". If you believe that ...
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Fair enough. But all things considered that's pretty minor.
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What right does the American public have to look at his academic records? I thought the only prerequisite for the Presidency was to be American born? The question of his citizenship has been settled already. The Republicans could have already contested his victory if they thought it was an issue. The transparency he was talking about was government transparency, not transparency of his personal records. I don't understand your concern.
73Zeppelin wrote:
What right does the American public have to look at his academic records?
I don't know why they're interested in those. I'd settle for a birth certificate and passports.
73Zeppelin wrote:
I thought the only prerequisite for the Presidency was to be American born?
No, the requirement is Natural Born.
73Zeppelin wrote:
The question of his citizenship has been settled already.
His citizenship was never in question. What is in question has never been settled or even attempted to be settled. More legal teams to avoid it are a great case in point.
73Zeppelin wrote:
The transparency he was talking about was government transparency, not transparency of his personal records.
He is at the highest level of government, and some have questions as to the legality of him holding that position, which sounds to me to be relevant in a discussion of transparancy of government.
73Zeppelin wrote:
I don't understand your concern.
I have mixed opinions, none of which matter. However, I find it interesting that lengths that he will go through to avoid presenting the simple documentation that some want for verification. It flies in the face of logic. I want the law and the Constitution. If there had been a hint of evidence that Bush was born in Mexico and spirited accross the Rio Grand to be registered in El Paso, I'd have been interested in seeing his documentation too. (and it would have explained a lot of his disinterest in dealing with illegal immigration)
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Fair enough. But all things considered that's pretty minor.
73Zeppelin wrote:
all things considered
it was his first opportunity to keep his word.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Fair enough. But all things considered that's pretty minor.
:wtf: The single largest porkfest spending bill in American history going to vote without even a possibility of scrutiny after promises to have it up for review for 48 hours before the vote is minor?!? Many of those who will vote on it haven't had the opportunity to read it in it's current state. Eye of the beholder I guess.
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What right does the American public have to look at his academic records? I thought the only prerequisite for the Presidency was to be American born? The question of his citizenship has been settled already. The Republicans could have already contested his victory if they thought it was an issue. The transparency he was talking about was government transparency, not transparency of his personal records. I don't understand your concern.
73Zeppelin wrote:
What right does the American public have to look at his academic records?
If the records show that he sought funds from the college intended for foreign-born students, that data would have a direct bearing on whether or not he was qualified to be president.
73Zeppelin wrote:
The transparency he was talking about was government transparency, not transparency of his personal records.
When Bush's national guard service was questioned (correctly in my view) it was not his government that was being scrutinized, it was his personal life.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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Fair enough. But all things considered that's pretty minor.
73Zeppelin wrote:
But all things considered that's pretty minor.
He also promised that any bill would be published on the White House website for five days before he signed it. That has not yet been the case.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
What right does the American public have to look at his academic records?
I don't know why they're interested in those. I'd settle for a birth certificate and passports.
73Zeppelin wrote:
I thought the only prerequisite for the Presidency was to be American born?
No, the requirement is Natural Born.
73Zeppelin wrote:
The question of his citizenship has been settled already.
His citizenship was never in question. What is in question has never been settled or even attempted to be settled. More legal teams to avoid it are a great case in point.
73Zeppelin wrote:
The transparency he was talking about was government transparency, not transparency of his personal records.
He is at the highest level of government, and some have questions as to the legality of him holding that position, which sounds to me to be relevant in a discussion of transparancy of government.
73Zeppelin wrote:
I don't understand your concern.
I have mixed opinions, none of which matter. However, I find it interesting that lengths that he will go through to avoid presenting the simple documentation that some want for verification. It flies in the face of logic. I want the law and the Constitution. If there had been a hint of evidence that Bush was born in Mexico and spirited accross the Rio Grand to be registered in El Paso, I'd have been interested in seeing his documentation too. (and it would have explained a lot of his disinterest in dealing with illegal immigration)
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If you are referring to his birth certificate, then he has already released that to the public. There are multiple sources for this, including copies of the certificate itself. Shrug.
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:wtf: The single largest porkfest spending bill in American history going to vote without even a possibility of scrutiny after promises to have it up for review for 48 hours before the vote is minor?!? Many of those who will vote on it haven't had the opportunity to read it in it's current state. Eye of the beholder I guess.
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I agree, his stimulus bill is not an appropriate solution to the financial problem. Neither are the tax cuts proposed by the Republicans. But that's another thread. Anyways, if that was what he said he would do, then it should have been done.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
But all things considered that's pretty minor.
He also promised that any bill would be published on the White House website for five days before he signed it. That has not yet been the case.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
He probably should have done that. Hasn't been addressed in a press conference?
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73Zeppelin wrote:
What right does the American public have to look at his academic records?
If the records show that he sought funds from the college intended for foreign-born students, that data would have a direct bearing on whether or not he was qualified to be president.
73Zeppelin wrote:
The transparency he was talking about was government transparency, not transparency of his personal records.
When Bush's national guard service was questioned (correctly in my view) it was not his government that was being scrutinized, it was his personal life.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
Oakman wrote:
If the records show that he sought funds from the college intended for foreign-born students, that data would have a direct bearing on whether or not he was qualified to be president.
I'm not so sure about that. I don't know how it works in the U.S., but I did some of my schooling on foreign loans.
Oakman wrote:
When Bush's national guard service was questioned (correctly in my view) it was not his government that was being scrutinized, it was his personal life.
I didn't think it was particularly relevant at the time. I think the regulations are natural born, 35+ years old and living in the U.S. for 15 years consecutively.
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Oakman wrote:
If the records show that he sought funds from the college intended for foreign-born students, that data would have a direct bearing on whether or not he was qualified to be president.
I'm not so sure about that. I don't know how it works in the U.S., but I did some of my schooling on foreign loans.
Oakman wrote:
When Bush's national guard service was questioned (correctly in my view) it was not his government that was being scrutinized, it was his personal life.
I didn't think it was particularly relevant at the time. I think the regulations are natural born, 35+ years old and living in the U.S. for 15 years consecutively.
73Zeppelin wrote:
but I did some of my schooling on foreign loans.
I don't think you mean that you claimed to be a citizen of a foreign country - i.e. passed yourself off as a Pakistani in order to qualify for a loan meant only for Pakastanis studying in Canada.
73Zeppelin wrote:
I think the regulations are natural born, 35+ years old and living in the U.S. for 15 years consecutively.
Yep, but we have yet to elect (for instance) a natural born, 35+ known pedophiliac even if he's lived in this country all of his life. What bothers me about all this is the fact that Obama doesn't make it all go away by producing the documents. That's pretty much what Bush did, although being able to prove that Rather was lying through his teeth didn't hurt, either.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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He probably should have done that. Hasn't been addressed in a press conference?
73Zeppelin wrote:
Hasn't been addressed in a press conference?
The Press has a tendency to ask tough question of Obama like "What are you planning on having for lunch today, Mr. President?"
73Zeppelin wrote:
He probably should have done that.
My original reaction to this focus-in on Obama's birth-nation was to pooh-pooh it. Just a couple of demented tinfoil beanie wearing conspiracy nuts. But that he is fighting in court to keep the documents from being subpoenaed rather than posting them on line and displaying them in the press-room at the White House has begun to make me suspicious. :suss:
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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He probably should have done that. Hasn't been addressed in a press conference?
73Zeppelin wrote:
He probably should have done that
of course he should have, fuck, he said he would - a man who doesn't live up to his word isn't worth a bucket of piss.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
modified on Friday, February 13, 2009 2:59 PM
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If you are referring to his birth certificate, then he has already released that to the public. There are multiple sources for this, including copies of the certificate itself. Shrug.
We've been over this time and again. The one document released is a digital scan of the short form. The certification of live birth doesn't prove he was born in the states, a certificate of live birth would by including the doctor and the name of the hospital that nobody can produce, though several have tried all with varying answers. I understand many just want to blow it off, not least of all Obama. But if it's such a non-issue, why not just fork em over?
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President's attorneys file motion demanding birth, college records be withheld from public[^] What was all that about transparency again? Seriously, why not hand them over? Why is it so important to him to keep his records hidden? He's got nothing to hide. Right?
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BoneSoft wrote:
What was all that about transparency again?
What indeed? You realize this is just a distraction, something to keep the conspiracy nuts preoccupied... ...now, ask why the new administration is upholding the "state secrets" slap-down on rendition cases... :suss: