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    gantww
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    The earlier question about Ruby on Rails got me to thinking. If ASP.NET suddenly disappeared, what language/tools/platform would you use? Would you go with Django, ROR, or something completely different? Just curious.

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      The earlier question about Ruby on Rails got me to thinking. If ASP.NET suddenly disappeared, what language/tools/platform would you use? Would you go with Django, ROR, or something completely different? Just curious.

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      I'll go back to Windows developemnt using C++ :doh:

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        The earlier question about Ruby on Rails got me to thinking. If ASP.NET suddenly disappeared, what language/tools/platform would you use? Would you go with Django, ROR, or something completely different? Just curious.

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        *cough* *cough* *cough* Groovy *cough* on *cough* Grails *cough* *cough* *cough* I like C# as a language and I like the .Net Framework, but it's only when you dip your toe into other platforms, other ideologies, other ways of doing things that you realise how far behind the times Microsoft are. Ok, they've released the ASP.Net MVC framework - but while they continue to beta test that, other platforms have provided, for years, viable, proven, alternatives.

        print "http://www.codeproject.com".toURL().text Ain't that Groovy?

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          The earlier question about Ruby on Rails got me to thinking. If ASP.NET suddenly disappeared, what language/tools/platform would you use? Would you go with Django, ROR, or something completely different? Just curious.

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          We're busy switching our core, flagship web application to, for all intents and purposes, pure JavaScript, with minimal web forms to handle AJAX requests, and UI agnostic business code in c# libraries. There are hardly any web forms left, and even less use of server controls. The extJS framework is quite something to behold, in terms of their widgets, as well as in terms of real OO programming in JavaScript.

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            We're busy switching our core, flagship web application to, for all intents and purposes, pure JavaScript, with minimal web forms to handle AJAX requests, and UI agnostic business code in c# libraries. There are hardly any web forms left, and even less use of server controls. The extJS framework is quite something to behold, in terms of their widgets, as well as in terms of real OO programming in JavaScript.

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            gantww
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            I know. Javascript is awesome. I can't believe I used to think of it as a crappy toy language. I've been making heavy use of JQuery and am really liking it.

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              The earlier question about Ruby on Rails got me to thinking. If ASP.NET suddenly disappeared, what language/tools/platform would you use? Would you go with Django, ROR, or something completely different? Just curious.

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              Chris Austin
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              These days when I do web dev it's on Django or RoR. But, I wouldn't be heartbroken if they both went away since web dev isn't a primary business focus for us.

              Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?

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                The earlier question about Ruby on Rails got me to thinking. If ASP.NET suddenly disappeared, what language/tools/platform would you use? Would you go with Django, ROR, or something completely different? Just curious.

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                Stuart Dootson
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                gantww wrote:

                If ASP.NET suddenly disappeared, what language/tools/platform would you use?

                Even if ASP.NET weren't to suddenly disappear, I'd stick with some set of Python libraries on Apache for the server side - I'm used to CherryPy for the HTTP framework, Genshi for HTML templating and SQLAlchemy to interface to databases - and lashings of Javascript using jQuery on the client-side.

                Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p

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                  These days when I do web dev it's on Django or RoR. But, I wouldn't be heartbroken if they both went away since web dev isn't a primary business focus for us.

                  Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?

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                  Is it still a pain to deploy ROR? I've tried a couple of times and ended up going back to c# because I couldn't get things to work properly.

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                    Is it still a pain to deploy ROR? I've tried a couple of times and ended up going back to c# because I couldn't get things to work properly.

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                    Chris Austin
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                    Assuming you are talking about production, it was until a friend of mine developed mongrel. That was kind of the beginning of a new era in the rails deployment story. As far as automating moving files in and out of production, capistrano is pretty handy.

                    Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?

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                      gantww wrote:

                      If ASP.NET suddenly disappeared, what language/tools/platform would you use?

                      Even if ASP.NET weren't to suddenly disappear, I'd stick with some set of Python libraries on Apache for the server side - I'm used to CherryPy for the HTTP framework, Genshi for HTML templating and SQLAlchemy to interface to databases - and lashings of Javascript using jQuery on the client-side.

                      Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p

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                      Stuart Dootson wrote:

                      'm used to CherryPy for the HTTP framework

                      CherryPy is pretty great stuff. I've also had fun playing with straight web.py.

                      Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?

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                        Assuming you are talking about production, it was until a friend of mine developed mongrel. That was kind of the beginning of a new era in the rails deployment story. As far as automating moving files in and out of production, capistrano is pretty handy.

                        Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?

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                        gantww
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                        How about Django? Wait, you're friends with Zed?

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                          How about Django? Wait, you're friends with Zed?

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                          Chris Austin
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                          gantww wrote:

                          How about Django?

                          I like it as web frameworks go. In general web development doesn't really excite me though. Most of the code work I've done for a long while has been in various simulations and some back end server development.

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                          Wait, you're friends with Zed?

                          Yeah. We are not super close pals or anything like that; we keep in touch even though at times I need to make a better effort. We went to school together as undergrads and hung out a bit for a while; I think I graduated a about year before he did. I don't claim to know the depths of his soul but I do like the guy a lot and I know that his rants and blow ups are mostly to shake things up. In person he is about the most helpful guy I have ever known.

                          Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?

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                            The earlier question about Ruby on Rails got me to thinking. If ASP.NET suddenly disappeared, what language/tools/platform would you use? Would you go with Django, ROR, or something completely different? Just curious.

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                            Reelix
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                            For Web-Dev, I'd jump to plain ASP - I've been working with it for awhile now, and it's not too bad, once you get used to it :)

                            -= Reelix =-

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                              I'll go back to Windows developemnt using C++ :doh:

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                              Nagaraj Muthuchamy
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                              Me too

                              Umbraco Developer

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                                The earlier question about Ruby on Rails got me to thinking. If ASP.NET suddenly disappeared, what language/tools/platform would you use? Would you go with Django, ROR, or something completely different? Just curious.

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                                Rohde
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                                I'd give Wicket a go - it's a Java web framework but don't hold that against it, it looks very interesting.


                                "When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, `Who is destroying the world?' You are."
                                -Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand

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                                  The earlier question about Ruby on Rails got me to thinking. If ASP.NET suddenly disappeared, what language/tools/platform would you use? Would you go with Django, ROR, or something completely different? Just curious.

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                                  Drozzy
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                                  What's ASP.NET?

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                                    The earlier question about Ruby on Rails got me to thinking. If ASP.NET suddenly disappeared, what language/tools/platform would you use? Would you go with Django, ROR, or something completely different? Just curious.

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                                    Paul A Howes
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                                    I'm already using Ruby on Rails and jQuery for the AJAX and interface magic. I tried Prototype and its ilk, but they didn't "click" the way jQuery did for me. Honestly, I'm about ready to do away with ASP.NET now. I jumped ship from PHP about seven years ago when ASP.NET was first released. Now that the Microsoft ecosystem has become so unnecessarily bloated and complex, RoR looks and feels like a much better choice. Plus, it gives me an excuse to do most of my dev. work on a Mac. :)

                                    Paul A .NET developer who now drinks the Ruby and Cocoa Koolaid.

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                                      I'll go back to Windows developemnt using C++ :doh:

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                                      Old Ed
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                                      Same here! Who needs frameworks anyway?

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                                        I'll go back to Windows developemnt using C++ :doh:

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