"Father" of Linux is just a criminal...
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Maybe it is already known, but I just found it while surfing the web. A letter of Linus Torvalds as a reply for question "why he used patented algorithms in Linux OS and what he thinks about it". http://lwn.net/Articles/7636/[^] Philip Patrick Web-site: www.stpworks.com "Two beer or not two beer?" Shakesbeer
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Maybe it is already known, but I just found it while surfing the web. A letter of Linus Torvalds as a reply for question "why he used patented algorithms in Linux OS and what he thinks about it". http://lwn.net/Articles/7636/[^] Philip Patrick Web-site: www.stpworks.com "Two beer or not two beer?" Shakesbeer
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Maybe it is already known, but I just found it while surfing the web. A letter of Linus Torvalds as a reply for question "why he used patented algorithms in Linux OS and what he thinks about it". http://lwn.net/Articles/7636/[^] Philip Patrick Web-site: www.stpworks.com "Two beer or not two beer?" Shakesbeer
hold on just a second... do you do a patent search every time you implement something you've never seen before? because if you don't there's a non-zero chance that you are going to violate someone's patent. and therefore, you yourself are going to be a "criminal". if you do that search and find that your work is going to violate a patent yet you go ahead and implement anyway, without licensing, you are in big trouble. yet if you just didn't do the search in the first place and unknowningly violated a patent, you are likely to be in less trouble. that's all he's saying. -c
Gourmet, n: Anyone whom, when you fail to finish something strange or revolting, remarks that it's an acquired taste and that you're leaving the best part.
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Maybe it is already known, but I just found it while surfing the web. A letter of Linus Torvalds as a reply for question "why he used patented algorithms in Linux OS and what he thinks about it". http://lwn.net/Articles/7636/[^] Philip Patrick Web-site: www.stpworks.com "Two beer or not two beer?" Shakesbeer
*sigh* Something tells me this whole software patents mess will get a lot worse before it gets any better... X|
Shog9
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hold on just a second... do you do a patent search every time you implement something you've never seen before? because if you don't there's a non-zero chance that you are going to violate someone's patent. and therefore, you yourself are going to be a "criminal". if you do that search and find that your work is going to violate a patent yet you go ahead and implement anyway, without licensing, you are in big trouble. yet if you just didn't do the search in the first place and unknowningly violated a patent, you are likely to be in less trouble. that's all he's saying. -c
Gourmet, n: Anyone whom, when you fail to finish something strange or revolting, remarks that it's an acquired taste and that you're leaving the best part.
Chris Losinger wrote: yet if you just didn't do the search in the first place and unknowningly violated a patent, you are likely to be in less trouble I'm sure big $$$$ lawyers working for patent holders don't care if you actually did or didn't research before. Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
** Putt knot yore thrust inn spel chequers. **
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hold on just a second... do you do a patent search every time you implement something you've never seen before? because if you don't there's a non-zero chance that you are going to violate someone's patent. and therefore, you yourself are going to be a "criminal". if you do that search and find that your work is going to violate a patent yet you go ahead and implement anyway, without licensing, you are in big trouble. yet if you just didn't do the search in the first place and unknowningly violated a patent, you are likely to be in less trouble. that's all he's saying. -c
Gourmet, n: Anyone whom, when you fail to finish something strange or revolting, remarks that it's an acquired taste and that you're leaving the best part.
Well, nope, not this I was talking about actually. Of course I'm not searching for existing patent. Here Linus said right - waste of time. Actually "criminal" I meant "...hire hit-man and kill the stupud..". Of course this was said in joke.. But such joke in a reply to official letter? Also the problem is not the Linus's letter itself. They all the same - open source and Linux guys. "Nah.. who cares? I'll use it anyway, and if you, stupid man, will talk about it, I'll kill you". "Is it yours? So shut up". Well, I hope I explained well what I mean with my English :) Philip Patrick Web-site: www.stpworks.com "Two beer or not two beer?" Shakesbeer
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Maybe it is already known, but I just found it while surfing the web. A letter of Linus Torvalds as a reply for question "why he used patented algorithms in Linux OS and what he thinks about it". http://lwn.net/Articles/7636/[^] Philip Patrick Web-site: www.stpworks.com "Two beer or not two beer?" Shakesbeer
Linus Torvalds is a communist in disguise.I never liked him.
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Chris Losinger wrote: yet if you just didn't do the search in the first place and unknowningly violated a patent, you are likely to be in less trouble I'm sure big $$$$ lawyers working for patent holders don't care if you actually did or didn't research before. Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
** Putt knot yore thrust inn spel chequers. **
that's probably true. but, prosecution lawyers don't set the penalties - judges and juries do. it doesn't really matter how mad you make the lawyers. -c
Gourmet, n: Anyone whom, when you fail to finish something strange or revolting, remarks that it's an acquired taste and that you're leaving the best part.
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Maybe it is already known, but I just found it while surfing the web. A letter of Linus Torvalds as a reply for question "why he used patented algorithms in Linux OS and what he thinks about it". http://lwn.net/Articles/7636/[^] Philip Patrick Web-site: www.stpworks.com "Two beer or not two beer?" Shakesbeer
Don't beleive everything u read... it was probably not written by him to begin with.
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Well, nope, not this I was talking about actually. Of course I'm not searching for existing patent. Here Linus said right - waste of time. Actually "criminal" I meant "...hire hit-man and kill the stupud..". Of course this was said in joke.. But such joke in a reply to official letter? Also the problem is not the Linus's letter itself. They all the same - open source and Linux guys. "Nah.. who cares? I'll use it anyway, and if you, stupid man, will talk about it, I'll kill you". "Is it yours? So shut up". Well, I hope I explained well what I mean with my English :) Philip Patrick Web-site: www.stpworks.com "Two beer or not two beer?" Shakesbeer
Philip Patrick wrote: Actually "criminal" I meant "...hire hit-man and kill the stupud :) that part is just funny :) =c
Gourmet, n: Anyone whom, when you fail to finish something strange or revolting, remarks that it's an acquired taste and that you're leaving the best part.
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that's probably true. but, prosecution lawyers don't set the penalties - judges and juries do. it doesn't really matter how mad you make the lawyers. -c
Gourmet, n: Anyone whom, when you fail to finish something strange or revolting, remarks that it's an acquired taste and that you're leaving the best part.
Chris Losinger wrote: but, prosecution lawyers don't set the penalties - judges and juries do. it doesn't really matter how mad you make the lawyers. Exactly, Also a lot of people seem to confuse the fact that a legal opinion says X.Activity is illegal, whilst what matters is a legal decision, and even then it can be appealed. The amount of financial resources disposable for a cause always does seem one of the biggest factors though. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Linus Torvalds is a communist in disguise.I never liked him.
kokie wrote: Linus Torvalds is a communist in disguise. This whole freeware/ opensource licensing stuff is anti-capitalist which is very akin to communism where nobody has title over anything or personal possesions. I'm really surprised that the US guberment doesn't realize that when the Berlin Wall came down, that hoards of Commies invaded bringing such ideologies with them. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Maybe it is already known, but I just found it while surfing the web. A letter of Linus Torvalds as a reply for question "why he used patented algorithms in Linux OS and what he thinks about it". http://lwn.net/Articles/7636/[^] Philip Patrick Web-site: www.stpworks.com "Two beer or not two beer?" Shakesbeer
It never said why he used patented algos, just that he didn't care about researching for the patents. You're reading too much into the email. The why would more likely be out of accident or their superiority/availability. Also, every one knows Linus is full of himself and of hot air. Personally, I'd piss on him as an individual. It wasn't him that created Linux; it was the collaboration of talented developers holding his hand. He even said it was a rinky-dink home project he started - it just caught on. But, he gets the publicity and it went to his head. Linus sucks, no argument there. But, in his defense, we could also find a shitload of bad remarks from Microshaft's billy boy I'm sure. Should I even address that MS has been caught reverse engineering Apple code, etc? Laws don't matter; it's how well you play with them that does. Jeremy Falcon Imputek "C# is the answer to a question nobody asked." - Chris Losinger
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Linus Torvalds is a communist in disguise.I never liked him.
kokie wrote: Linus Torvalds is a communist in disguise.I never liked him. You should read his autobiography sometime. He's not so bad. I actually had a new respect for him after reading it. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0066620724/qid=1031163005/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/002-7096890-6202453[^]
Mike Mullikin :beer: You can't really dust for vomit. Nigel Tufnel - Spinal Tap
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Maybe it is already known, but I just found it while surfing the web. A letter of Linus Torvalds as a reply for question "why he used patented algorithms in Linux OS and what he thinks about it". http://lwn.net/Articles/7636/[^] Philip Patrick Web-site: www.stpworks.com "Two beer or not two beer?" Shakesbeer
Assuming it is genuine...... Elaine (slightly suspicious fluffy tigress) Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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Maybe it is already known, but I just found it while surfing the web. A letter of Linus Torvalds as a reply for question "why he used patented algorithms in Linux OS and what he thinks about it". http://lwn.net/Articles/7636/[^] Philip Patrick Web-site: www.stpworks.com "Two beer or not two beer?" Shakesbeer
The trouble with being a public figure ( and I say this as someone who is opposed to the whole 'open-source' movement ) is that people will take one statement out of context and form their opinion of you from it. Who knows how he was feeling that day, who knows if that's *really* the final word on his opinion on the subject ? I tend to reserve judgement on public figures as much as possible, because my conclusions can only be based on partial information. Christian We're just observing the seasonal migration from VB to VC. Most of these birds will be killed by predators or will die of hunger. Only the best will survive - Tomasz Sowinski 29-07-2002 ( on the number of newbie posters in the VC forum ) Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
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The trouble with being a public figure ( and I say this as someone who is opposed to the whole 'open-source' movement ) is that people will take one statement out of context and form their opinion of you from it. Who knows how he was feeling that day, who knows if that's *really* the final word on his opinion on the subject ? I tend to reserve judgement on public figures as much as possible, because my conclusions can only be based on partial information. Christian We're just observing the seasonal migration from VB to VC. Most of these birds will be killed by predators or will die of hunger. Only the best will survive - Tomasz Sowinski 29-07-2002 ( on the number of newbie posters in the VC forum ) Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
Well, I can't provide the context here, since I got the link from some russian news site (lenta.ru) and it is in Russian.. But as I said this was from a whole conversation between some Open source lawers, who have asked Linus about using patented algorithms in Linux and this was his reply. Also I don't much care about how he was feeling that day, this is just doesn't matter. I can't just go and steal something and tell - "sorry I just break with my girl-friend and feel bad". This is not an excuse. But again. The point I'm trying to bring here is not that Linus bad or good. Just all Open source and Linux guys are the same (of course you can find exceptions). All the time I'm starting to discuss something with Linux supporter, all I got as respond - "I don't care about your stupid thoughts", "Go, your mom is calling you, kid", etc... You see what I mean? The Linux supporters, including Linus himself, just from that type of guys who posting such message in your article: "This is bad, Don't use it!", whithout telling why. Philip Patrick Web-site: www.stpworks.com "Two beer or not two beer?" Shakesbeer
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Assuming it is genuine...... Elaine (slightly suspicious fluffy tigress) Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
I don't think so, what he did exactly? Stole the idea from Unix? So why people complaining about Microsoft who stole the idea from Apple (who in turn stole from Xerox). At least Bill Gates made money on this. Also not Linus developed todays Linux, and not his "company" (he has any?). Many people from around the world did it, so actually I don't think about Linus as a genious Philip Patrick Web-site: www.stpworks.com "Two beer or not two beer?" Shakesbeer