Request to Christian Graus
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Please remove those offensive quotes about Visual Basic from your Signature. They are so obnoxious and may hurt the sentiments of Visual Basic programmers. Thank you very much. :~ VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Christan or others... Can you please make a list of all these quotes that are so bad. I would like to judge them for myself. :-D Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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Christan or others... Can you please make a list of all these quotes that are so bad. I would like to judge them for myself. :-D Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
Tim Smith wrote: Can you please make a list of all these quotes that are so bad. I would like to judge them for myself. Maybe we should turn them into a webservice where you can get an obnoxious VB quote of the day. :-D Todd Smith
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Christan or others... Can you please make a list of all these quotes that are so bad. I would like to judge them for myself. :-D Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
Some recent VB-defamations from Christian's sigs:
Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002 We're just observing the seasonal migration from VB to VC. Most of these birds will be killed by predators or will die of hunger. Only the best will survive - Tomasz Sowinski 29-07-2002 ( on the number of newbie posters in the VC forum ) Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
Of course, be careful about using that last one... ;)
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Please remove those offensive quotes about Visual Basic from your Signature. They are so obnoxious and may hurt the sentiments of Visual Basic programmers. Thank you very much. :~ VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
I agree, Christian. I find them very offensive.
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Tim Smith wrote: Can you please make a list of all these quotes that are so bad. I would like to judge them for myself. Maybe we should turn them into a webservice where you can get an obnoxious VB quote of the day. :-D Todd Smith
I'd like to sign up for that :-D Anthony www.TonysOpenSource.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
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Please remove those offensive quotes about Visual Basic from your Signature. They are so obnoxious and may hurt the sentiments of Visual Basic programmers. Thank you very much. :~ VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Okay, guys, help me out on this one. Why is it that Christian is getting flamed for Bad Things that someone else said about VB? Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Some recent VB-defamations from Christian's sigs:
Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002 We're just observing the seasonal migration from VB to VC. Most of these birds will be killed by predators or will die of hunger. Only the best will survive - Tomasz Sowinski 29-07-2002 ( on the number of newbie posters in the VC forum ) Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
Of course, be careful about using that last one... ;)
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they are all excellent. :) -c
"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country." --Colin Powell, not talking about his boss
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Please remove those offensive quotes about Visual Basic from your Signature. They are so obnoxious and may hurt the sentiments of Visual Basic programmers. Thank you very much. :~ VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Don't listen to those meanies. It's OK to be a VB programmer - it really is.:) Andy Cowenhoven
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Please remove those offensive quotes about Visual Basic from your Signature. They are so obnoxious and may hurt the sentiments of Visual Basic programmers. Thank you very much. :~ VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Nobody forces you to read his posts, Besides since when did VBers have higher forms of emotions like sentiments ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Please remove those offensive quotes about Visual Basic from your Signature. They are so obnoxious and may hurt the sentiments of Visual Basic programmers. Thank you very much. :~ VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Ranjith wrote: "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup If you don't understand how the safety works, don't pick up the gun. :-D Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Please remove those offensive quotes about Visual Basic from your Signature. They are so obnoxious and may hurt the sentiments of Visual Basic programmers. Thank you very much. :~ VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
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Nobody forces you to read his posts, Besides since when did VBers have higher forms of emotions like sentiments ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Colin^Davies wrote: Besides since when did VBers have higher forms of emotions like sentiments ? Sentiments is a wrapper that allows you to access the simpler forms of emotions by creating a Sentiments object in VB via CreateObject. To access the complex, low level emotions, you'll need to use C++ and the native API. Of course, I don't know that I can recommend the more complex emotions... :-) Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Please remove those offensive quotes about Visual Basic from your Signature. They are so obnoxious and may hurt the sentiments of Visual Basic programmers. Thank you very much. :~ VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Just learn a real language and you won't be offended anymore. Grow up or get lost.
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Please remove those offensive quotes about Visual Basic from your Signature. They are so obnoxious and may hurt the sentiments of Visual Basic programmers. Thank you very much. :~ VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Ranjith wrote: VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. Can I use offensive quotes about Oracle or SQL Server? ;) Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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Please remove those offensive quotes about Visual Basic from your Signature. They are so obnoxious and may hurt the sentiments of Visual Basic programmers. Thank you very much. :~ VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Well I think I understood the joke anyway... :rolleyes:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
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Please remove those offensive quotes about Visual Basic from your Signature. They are so obnoxious and may hurt the sentiments of Visual Basic programmers. Thank you very much. :~ VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
If I may note a couple of things. 1. They do not offend VB programmers, they offend you. The way I live my life does not include trying to please all the people, all the time. 2. I didn't say any of them, I am merely quoting them, as are others around here. 3. I would hope that any VB programmer who finds their way here may take note from the many threads, sigs and general comments around the place and investigate why it is that so many people look down on VB. Your quote from Bjarne is right, you can make a right mess of things with C++. You can't with VB, because the power to do so is not there. Stroustrup also says no language feature should be judged on how it can be used badly, but on how useful it will be if used properly. Both C# and VB miss this point, by assuming the user is an idiot, they keep him one, and if he isn't, make it apparent they will need to fight the language to do anything remotely interesting or outside the norm. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
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Okay, guys, help me out on this one. Why is it that Christian is getting flamed for Bad Things that someone else said about VB? Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
The guy who started this thread has been doing it for months, usually after I've had the same sig for a while, he suddenly surfaces and posts telling me off as if a. I said it, and b. I just said it for the first time. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
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Ranjith wrote: VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. Can I use offensive quotes about Oracle or SQL Server? ;) Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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I use Oracle every day and I'd be happy to create some offensive quotes about it for you :0) Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
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I use Oracle every day and I'd be happy to create some offensive quotes about it for you :0) Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
Yeah - go on. I'll gladly insert them into a sig ;) Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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Yeah - go on. I'll gladly insert them into a sig ;) Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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They will probably be too long.... One example: the OLE DB provider for Oracle leaks memory when you do a select. So we have two options - don't do selects (:)), or get a new version. The latest version does not fix the problem ( although they claimed it would when we put in a TAR ), BUT it was 125 MEG to download, because EVERY Oracle component includes a version of their install tool. BUT the version was newer than the version used to install Oracle before, so having installed it, I could no longer RUN any other part of Oracle, I could not uninstall any other part of Oracle, I could not reinstall any other part of Oracle. It took me a DAY to totally evict Oracle from my PC and get it to work again. I also found that if you bring up the uninstaller and ask it to remove one component, it instead removes EVERYTHING, even the JVM, from your computer. If I wrote code half as bad as this, I would be on my ear, and rightly so. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002