Request to Christian Graus
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Yeah - go on. I'll gladly insert them into a sig ;) Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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They will probably be too long.... One example: the OLE DB provider for Oracle leaks memory when you do a select. So we have two options - don't do selects (:)), or get a new version. The latest version does not fix the problem ( although they claimed it would when we put in a TAR ), BUT it was 125 MEG to download, because EVERY Oracle component includes a version of their install tool. BUT the version was newer than the version used to install Oracle before, so having installed it, I could no longer RUN any other part of Oracle, I could not uninstall any other part of Oracle, I could not reinstall any other part of Oracle. It took me a DAY to totally evict Oracle from my PC and get it to work again. I also found that if you bring up the uninstaller and ask it to remove one component, it instead removes EVERYTHING, even the JVM, from your computer. If I wrote code half as bad as this, I would be on my ear, and rightly so. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
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They will probably be too long.... One example: the OLE DB provider for Oracle leaks memory when you do a select. So we have two options - don't do selects (:)), or get a new version. The latest version does not fix the problem ( although they claimed it would when we put in a TAR ), BUT it was 125 MEG to download, because EVERY Oracle component includes a version of their install tool. BUT the version was newer than the version used to install Oracle before, so having installed it, I could no longer RUN any other part of Oracle, I could not uninstall any other part of Oracle, I could not reinstall any other part of Oracle. It took me a DAY to totally evict Oracle from my PC and get it to work again. I also found that if you bring up the uninstaller and ask it to remove one component, it instead removes EVERYTHING, even the JVM, from your computer. If I wrote code half as bad as this, I would be on my ear, and rightly so. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
Christian Graus wrote: They will probably be too long.... Christian, we've just got to work on your quotability... :-D Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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If ya don't like the sigs then fuck off. :rose: Obvisously no *REAL* software engineering experience in the slightest, thats why the dude uses VB - [V]ERY [B]ASIC. Insert your flames pleeze... Normski. - the next bit of code is self modifying ... jmp 0xCODE
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I agree, Christian. I find them very offensive.
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SONORK ID 100.10024Simon, thank you very much for your understanding. :) VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
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Ranjith wrote: VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. Can I use offensive quotes about Oracle or SQL Server? ;) Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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Go ahead! No body gives a damn about what you say!! VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
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... as is the number of obnoxious posts. :-D There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't.
Navin wrote: There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who can't What about the third one? VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
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The guy who started this thread has been doing it for months, usually after I've had the same sig for a while, he suddenly surfaces and posts telling me off as if a. I said it, and b. I just said it for the first time. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
Christian Graus wrote: The guy who started this thread has been doing it for months, Doing what? I merely requested you and other guys, to stop harassing and downplaying Visual Basic. As a Visual Basic programmer, I just can't take all those insults. VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
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I use Oracle every day and I'd be happy to create some offensive quotes about it for you :0) Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
oh yeah! Go ahead... If anyone trys to make fun of Oracle then they're making an a$$ of themself. VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
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Christian Graus wrote: The guy who started this thread has been doing it for months, Doing what? I merely requested you and other guys, to stop harassing and downplaying Visual Basic. As a Visual Basic programmer, I just can't take all those insults. VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
As a part time VB programmer, I will keep stating my opinion. You're welcome to state yours. I'm not speaking from ignorance, I have to use it too, you know. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
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oh yeah! Go ahead... If anyone trys to make fun of Oracle then they're making an a$$ of themself. VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
So you consider the things I've detailed about the way Oracle behaves to be acceptable ? No wonder you're a VB programmer. I guess you think a GUI that literally takes 20 seconds to bring up a popup window is also OK ? Oracle blows. The DB may be good, the developer tools most certainly are not. how much have you use Oracle, BTW ? Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
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So you consider the things I've detailed about the way Oracle behaves to be acceptable ? No wonder you're a VB programmer. I guess you think a GUI that literally takes 20 seconds to bring up a popup window is also OK ? Oracle blows. The DB may be good, the developer tools most certainly are not. how much have you use Oracle, BTW ? Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
Christian Graus wrote: I guess you think a GUI that literally takes 20 seconds to bring up a popup window is also OK ? Well, what exactly you're looking for? Writing some 20 lines of code just to bring up a popup window doesn't make a person as a good programmer. I agree that scope of Visual Basic is limited when compared to C++, but if coded properly, it would create a much nicer application. I don't insult any programming language, as you do. I have used C, C++, Pascal, Cobol and other programming languages, and I never insulted any language. However, I hate coding in Cobol. I see so many clumsy oafs insulting Visual Basic in a more bizzare manner. VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
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If I may note a couple of things. 1. They do not offend VB programmers, they offend you. The way I live my life does not include trying to please all the people, all the time. 2. I didn't say any of them, I am merely quoting them, as are others around here. 3. I would hope that any VB programmer who finds their way here may take note from the many threads, sigs and general comments around the place and investigate why it is that so many people look down on VB. Your quote from Bjarne is right, you can make a right mess of things with C++. You can't with VB, because the power to do so is not there. Stroustrup also says no language feature should be judged on how it can be used badly, but on how useful it will be if used properly. Both C# and VB miss this point, by assuming the user is an idiot, they keep him one, and if he isn't, make it apparent they will need to fight the language to do anything remotely interesting or outside the norm. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
Christian Graus wrote: They do not offend VB programmers, they offend you. The way I live my life does not include trying to please all the people, all the time. I have nothing against them and I don't even know some of them. Why would anyone have something against me? I just asked you to delete few offensive quotes about VB. In return, I got more insults and angry responses. I have already told you that the scope of Visual Basic is limited, but it doesn't mean that mad cows and Chickens can write a fully functional VB code. It's upto you to delete those obnoxious quotes about VB in your signature; I merly requested you. Just wondering... What langauge in this world do you think is more sophiticated with no flaws? VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
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The guy who started this thread has been doing it for months, usually after I've had the same sig for a while, he suddenly surfaces and posts telling me off as if a. I said it, and b. I just said it for the first time. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
Christian Graus wrote: The guy who started this thread has been doing it for months, usually after I've had the same sig for a while, he suddenly surfaces and posts telling me off as if Well, those guys who actually quoted it are not carrying them if their signatures, but you do. VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
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Christian Graus wrote: I guess you think a GUI that literally takes 20 seconds to bring up a popup window is also OK ? Well, what exactly you're looking for? Writing some 20 lines of code just to bring up a popup window doesn't make a person as a good programmer. I agree that scope of Visual Basic is limited when compared to C++, but if coded properly, it would create a much nicer application. I don't insult any programming language, as you do. I have used C, C++, Pascal, Cobol and other programming languages, and I never insulted any language. However, I hate coding in Cobol. I see so many clumsy oafs insulting Visual Basic in a more bizzare manner. VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Ranjith wrote: Well, what exactly you're looking for? A GUI that I can use when working on the database that costs my customer thousands of dollars ? Ranjith wrote: Writing some 20 lines of code just to bring up a popup window doesn't make a person as a good programmer. No, but releasing a database product that is incapable of doing this makes Larry Ellison a fool. Ranjith wrote: I agree that scope of Visual Basic is limited when compared to C++ True Ranjith wrote: but if coded properly, it would create a much nicer application. What a pile of crap. Nicer, how ? How did we get to VB ? I was talking about Oracle. Ranjith wrote: I don't insult any programming language, as you do. When you know a bit more about them, you'll be able to judge them instead of assuming they are all the same. I have a question - this site is full of real programmers, who make jokes at the expense of toy languages such as VB. Why do you single me out ? Ranjith wrote: I see so many clumsy oafs insulting Visual Basic in a more bizzare manner. Calling me names will not give you any more credibility, it is the last resort of the person who knows they have lost the argument, in my experience. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
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Christian Graus wrote: They do not offend VB programmers, they offend you. The way I live my life does not include trying to please all the people, all the time. I have nothing against them and I don't even know some of them. Why would anyone have something against me? I just asked you to delete few offensive quotes about VB. In return, I got more insults and angry responses. I have already told you that the scope of Visual Basic is limited, but it doesn't mean that mad cows and Chickens can write a fully functional VB code. It's upto you to delete those obnoxious quotes about VB in your signature; I merly requested you. Just wondering... What langauge in this world do you think is more sophiticated with no flaws? VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Ranjith wrote: Just wondering... What langauge in this world do you think is more sophiticated with no flaws? I've made no such claim for any language. Most languages I have used are designed for a purpose and good at that purpose. The purpose of VB is to be easy to learn and to protect people from powerful features that they are not smart enough to handle. I accept that it does this well, but that does not mean that I consider those design criteria to be a good basis for a language I would want to use. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
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Christian Graus wrote: The guy who started this thread has been doing it for months, usually after I've had the same sig for a while, he suddenly surfaces and posts telling me off as if Well, those guys who actually quoted it are not carrying them if their signatures, but you do. VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Ranjith wrote: Well, those guys who actually quoted it are not carrying them if their signatures, but you do. Nor have they asked me to stop quoting them, except for one guy who was a VB programmer himself, and I think we all recall how ugly *that* became. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
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Ranjith wrote: Well, those guys who actually quoted it are not carrying them if their signatures, but you do. Nor have they asked me to stop quoting them, except for one guy who was a VB programmer himself, and I think we all recall how ugly *that* became. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
Ask yourself who made it ugly! VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
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Ask yourself who made it ugly! VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Easy - the clown who thought he could sue me for quoting him. Have you considered seeking professional help ? Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
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Easy - the clown who thought he could sue me for quoting him. Have you considered seeking professional help ? Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
I give up! I don't wanna argue with you anymore. Lemme requote Einstein : "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
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Christian Graus wrote: The guy who started this thread has been doing it for months, Doing what? I merely requested you and other guys, to stop harassing and downplaying Visual Basic. As a Visual Basic programmer, I just can't take all those insults. VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
That post makes you sound suspiciously like John's alter-ego... :-D
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