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Always try a girlfriend out before buying a fiance.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
True but it was funny in the row :) Bar (or anywhere else) conversation: You: hi there She: hi You: can I try you out first, before committing to a relationship? She: [fill in yourself] :)
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PTJA wrote:
African or European swallow? Smile
Shouldn't you have said, "Check out the big brain on Brad!"? I have no idea what you are referencing.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
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Since my experience with Macs is completely non existent, I have this question: Are Macs worth the extra money? And if they are, why?
To hell with circumstances; I create opportunities.
I have nothing against macs as computers, it is just the generally superior air that mac people think they are entitled to. I have not developed on a mac in a long time (floppies were the common mode of data transfer), but they were OK. I spent 5 years working with and developing on NeXT boxes, and they were wonderful. That is relevant because OSX is NeXT STEP repackaged. Only real issue with mac is that you are locked into more expensive app with it, in general. You need to make up your own mind. I assume you have windows experience, and don't need to test it out. I hope I'm going to catch a lot of crap for this, but you might want to go to a pirate site and TRY I repeat TRY, but only for the purpose of deciding which you want, to download a hacked version that will run on most X86 clone boxes. Check it out and delete it. I'm am expressly telling you NOT to use one for any length of time, both from a stealing IP view, and because the hacked versions I have heard about are not as stable as the real versions on real hardware.
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Researcher cracks Mac in 10 seconds at PWN2OWN, wins $5K[^] But aside from that (and the Win7 crack that article mentions) you need to work out who will be using the machine and why. I have a Mac and it's the last one I'm ever getting. Others find it far more intuitive than Windows but personally I find it infuriating: It uses the 'it's so obvious we don't need to provide help' system of providing help. And sometimes it really isn't obvious. And the docking bar always getting in the way of trying to resize a window because you can only resize from the bottom right hand corner thing kills me. But iPhoto, iDvd etc work great (though Picasso from Google is pretty damn good too) and Macs can run Windows, so you get a nice looking laptop (with the odd keyboard) to run your Windows apps and have a test bed for when testing against Mac. The thing that kills me though is the cost of the things. Compared to what you can get for your money elsewhere they are simply not good value for money.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
Compared to what you can get for your money elsewhere they are simply not good value for money.
I've compared the iMac to the Dell and HP all-in-ones and have found the Apple to be the better value. I've compared the new MacBook's to Sony, Dell, HP and Toshiba and when you compare processors, FSB speed, memory, display quality, graphics speed and build quality the Macs compare pretty darn well. MacBook Pro's are a bit pricey compared to the competition but if you REALLY compare identical features (which is actually very difficult) it's not as bad as it looks initially.
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True but it was funny in the row :) Bar (or anywhere else) conversation: You: hi there She: hi You: can I try you out first, before committing to a relationship? She: [fill in yourself] :)
Tom Deketelaere wrote:
You: hi there She: hi You: can I try you out first, before committing to a relationship? She: [fill in yourself]
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Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall
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Since my experience with Macs is completely non existent, I have this question: Are Macs worth the extra money? And if they are, why?
To hell with circumstances; I create opportunities.
rastaVnuce wrote:
Are Macs worth the extra money? And if they are, why?
For me, yes. I started using Macs at home about 6 years ago, mainly because I wanted something different to play with than what I use at work every day. I like the clean design of the hardware and the OS, and I like that I can run Windows if I want to. I also find that, for what I tend to do at home, I seem to have to tinker with things less on my Mac. And yes, I still do like that it's not what I work on all the time. :-D In the end, it comes down to personal preference. Some people really like Macs, some people don't. You just have to try it to find out. Ed
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Researcher cracks Mac in 10 seconds at PWN2OWN, wins $5K[^] But aside from that (and the Win7 crack that article mentions) you need to work out who will be using the machine and why. I have a Mac and it's the last one I'm ever getting. Others find it far more intuitive than Windows but personally I find it infuriating: It uses the 'it's so obvious we don't need to provide help' system of providing help. And sometimes it really isn't obvious. And the docking bar always getting in the way of trying to resize a window because you can only resize from the bottom right hand corner thing kills me. But iPhoto, iDvd etc work great (though Picasso from Google is pretty damn good too) and Macs can run Windows, so you get a nice looking laptop (with the odd keyboard) to run your Windows apps and have a test bed for when testing against Mac. The thing that kills me though is the cost of the things. Compared to what you can get for your money elsewhere they are simply not good value for money.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
It's clear from your post that you don't hate Microsoft enough to want to swallow all the Mac shortcomings. Ask Christian for some tips.
Best wishes, Hans
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Actually, they have no buttons now.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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No, the entire upper chassis of the mouse is a single giant button.
Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall
Not quite, you can't click by pushing down on the back of the mouse (got one in my hand right now.) And on the track-pads it is at the bottom, can't click up at the top (unless you have tap-to-click turned on for the entire track-pad.)
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Compared to what you can get for your money elsewhere they are simply not good value for money.
I've compared the iMac to the Dell and HP all-in-ones and have found the Apple to be the better value. I've compared the new MacBook's to Sony, Dell, HP and Toshiba and when you compare processors, FSB speed, memory, display quality, graphics speed and build quality the Macs compare pretty darn well. MacBook Pro's are a bit pricey compared to the competition but if you REALLY compare identical features (which is actually very difficult) it's not as bad as it looks initially.
I was quite shocked at the Dell Adamo[^] pricing - makes the Macbook Air seem almost reasonably priced...
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
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No, the entire upper chassis of the mouse is a single giant button.
Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall
That was true on Mac mice around 4-5 years ago, IIRC. The current 'Mighty Mouse' (dear God, did I just type that) has two 'buttony' areas.
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
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I was quite shocked at the Dell Adamo[^] pricing - makes the Macbook Air seem almost reasonably priced...
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
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It's clear from your post that you don't hate Microsoft enough to want to swallow all the Mac shortcomings. Ask Christian for some tips.
Best wishes, Hans
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I'm non-denominational in my ranting. I do, however, feel I've been remiss in not including Ubuntu. I do apologise to the Ubuntu community for my oversight.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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That was true on Mac mice around 4-5 years ago, IIRC. The current 'Mighty Mouse' (dear God, did I just type that) has two 'buttony' areas.
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
Stuart Dootson wrote:
has two 'buttony' areas
Mmmmmmmmrrrrrrgh, buttony!
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Because that would be like buying Expression Blend... paying more money for something that is just a little less crappy than what you spent money on previously.
The OP hasn't spent any money yet. He is using Linux.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
So.. any money would be more money :)
To hell with circumstances; I create opportunities.
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Actually, they have no buttons now.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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Why is Apple so opposed to buttons on mice.. what's wrong with them? I like my mice-buttons :)
Simplicity. Aesthetics. Less moving parts. Higher abstraction for future user interface ideas (the trackpad is becoming a multi-touch gesture pad.) Less cracks for food to get wedged in.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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Researcher cracks Mac in 10 seconds at PWN2OWN, wins $5K[^] But aside from that (and the Win7 crack that article mentions) you need to work out who will be using the machine and why. I have a Mac and it's the last one I'm ever getting. Others find it far more intuitive than Windows but personally I find it infuriating: It uses the 'it's so obvious we don't need to provide help' system of providing help. And sometimes it really isn't obvious. And the docking bar always getting in the way of trying to resize a window because you can only resize from the bottom right hand corner thing kills me. But iPhoto, iDvd etc work great (though Picasso from Google is pretty damn good too) and Macs can run Windows, so you get a nice looking laptop (with the odd keyboard) to run your Windows apps and have a test bed for when testing against Mac. The thing that kills me though is the cost of the things. Compared to what you can get for your money elsewhere they are simply not good value for money.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
Compared to what you can get for your money elsewhere they are simply not good value for money.
The best bang for the buck crowd isn't their target market. Apple is a cult, and always has been. Once you've become a religious convert and an Apple True Believer, separating you from your money is easy.
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Compared to what you can get for your money elsewhere they are simply not good value for money.
The best bang for the buck crowd isn't their target market. Apple is a cult, and always has been. Once you've become a religious convert and an Apple True Believer, separating you from your money is easy.
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
Ah! Another irrational belief system!
Best wishes, Hans
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Since my experience with Macs is completely non existent, I have this question: Are Macs worth the extra money? And if they are, why?
To hell with circumstances; I create opportunities.
The hardware's more expensive, but the software's cheaper e.g. OSX, Office. My brother has got a Canon cam with USB port. To synchronize it with a Windows client, one has to install a software from Canon. Nevertheless, Mac clients don't need anything, but iPhoto. Cheers Marcello Turnbull
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