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Do you hate using Lotus Notes for email?

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  • G Gary Wheeler

    As long as Stallman leads the charge, that's fine with me (he sounds like great cannon fodder).

    Software Zen: delete this;

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    Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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    Gary Wheeler wrote:

    As long as Stallman leads the charge, that's fine with me (he sounds like great cannon fodder).

    Yes! Someone got the point!!! :laugh:

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    Why won't the worm just leave me be?

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    • G Gary Wheeler

      You bet your ass. The following development teams are on my list of those to be first against the wall when the revolution comes: 1. Lotus Notes 2. InstallShield 3. Microsoft DDK group For the first two, I'll even pitch in and buy the ammunition.

      Software Zen: delete this;

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      Rajesh R Subramanian
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      Gary Wheeler wrote:

      3. Microsoft DDK group

      I know how you feel. :)

      It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini

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        Because I do. It is the most un-intuative piece of crap software that (I think) I've ever had to use. This subject may be a re-post, but I just need to get this off my chest: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGAGAGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! X| X| X| X| If you're a fellow sufferer: http://www.ihatelotusnotes.com/[^]

        "...great scott!" Dilbert: Aren't all meetings like this... Richard Dawkins: "What if you're wrong?"

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        Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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        Notes is the most ghastly piece of crap I have ever had to use. X|

        Anna :rose: Having a bad bug day? Tech Blog | Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"

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        • R Rajesh R Subramanian

          Gary Wheeler wrote:

          3. Microsoft DDK group

          I know how you feel. :)

          It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini

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          The sad part is, I've never even written a driver, just a couple of driver installers. It is fucking impossible to determine how to install a driver from the DDK examples and documentation. You simply have to beat on it until either it gives up in disgust or you do.

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          • G Gary Wheeler

            The sad part is, I've never even written a driver, just a couple of driver installers. It is fucking impossible to determine how to install a driver from the DDK examples and documentation. You simply have to beat on it until either it gives up in disgust or you do.

            Software Zen: delete this;

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            Rajesh R Subramanian
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            You ought to try the MFC Feature pack (VS 2008 Feature pack that adds new MFC classes). The classes are not good, the documentation is WORSE and it is just impossible if you'd go on to build something referring the documentation. All mostly for just showing off some fancy UI. I ended up using CodeJock UI library and when the clients have some really weird requirements, I had to write the classes myself. But, I'd say the DDK is very much better in comparison, but the docs are like... X|

            It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini

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            • R Rajesh R Subramanian

              You ought to try the MFC Feature pack (VS 2008 Feature pack that adds new MFC classes). The classes are not good, the documentation is WORSE and it is just impossible if you'd go on to build something referring the documentation. All mostly for just showing off some fancy UI. I ended up using CodeJock UI library and when the clients have some really weird requirements, I had to write the classes myself. But, I'd say the DDK is very much better in comparison, but the docs are like... X|

              It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini

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              Gary Wheeler
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              Yet more evidence that Microsoft has deprecated native development in general, and C++ specifically, yet don't have the testicular fortitude to admit it publicly.

              Software Zen: delete this;

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              • G Gary Wheeler

                Yet more evidence that Microsoft has deprecated native development in general, and C++ specifically, yet don't have the testicular fortitude to admit it publicly.

                Software Zen: delete this;

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                agreed. I'd rather they just admit it rather than keep pretending the next version of VS will address all the issues. But I think the writing is on the wall despite what they have said recently. As for 2010 being the next VS6? Heard it so many times the record has worn thin. I'm not hearing any major developments planned really - at best just fixing the broken parts. Still better than nothing I guess.

                -- The Obliterator

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                • G Gary Wheeler

                  Yet more evidence that Microsoft has deprecated native development in general, and C++ specifically, yet don't have the testicular fortitude to admit it publicly.

                  Software Zen: delete this;

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                  Gary Wheeler wrote:

                  Yet more evidence that Microsoft has deprecated native development in general, and C++ specifically

                  Exactly! :thumbsup: I told this to the folks at MS directly (the visual studio team at IDC, India) in a casual meet and some of them agreed up with me "off the records", but never admit it or comment about it on an email, or in a talk that is public (even if it's casual). The fact is that they don't care about us native language developers anymore and things like "10 is the new 6" (bullsh*t, it isn't!), "Feature pack for MFC", etc., are just to wash it off our eyes. Somehow, it doesn't bother me because fortunately I am capable of writing my own stuff that they won't do for us. Even though if it were supposed to be "their job".

                  It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini

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