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Jeremy, to be honest I can't remember offhand which male CPians have a picture of themselves on their profiles and which don't. Sorry, but I am just responding to people not pictures. I respond to how someone's personality comes over, e.g. some people have an open sense of humour, some a very subversive one etc.. I'm not trying to turn this on you, but how would you describe how you react to other CPians ? Elaine (curious fluffy tigress) Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
Trollslayer wrote: Sorry, but I am just responding to people not pictures. The bad thing about using a specific... ya gonna get defensive. The bad thing about not using one... someone might ask for a specific. Herm. Do you talk to people without pics - yes. But, I've seen your attitude change (akin to flirtsy) towards individuals with pictures on their profile. The one fresh in my mind is Jörgen Sigvardsson, but I don't really care to look up others because this is not important. Like I said, it's not wrong or bad. I flirt with chicks, and I admit that freely. No big friggin' deal. Trollslayer wrote: I'm not trying to turn this on you, but how would you describe how you react to other CPians ? I usually say what people think but don't actually say. Most people try to be a peacemaker and don't verbally expose their thoughts. Is this a fault, maybe, because nobody really ever wants to hear something unless it pleases them. Does this make me an asshole? I'd like to think no, but it probably does. :) Jeremy Falcon Imputek "In fact it is quite simple, men and women both only want one thing - what they can't have!" - phykell
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Trollslayer wrote: Sorry, but I am just responding to people not pictures. The bad thing about using a specific... ya gonna get defensive. The bad thing about not using one... someone might ask for a specific. Herm. Do you talk to people without pics - yes. But, I've seen your attitude change (akin to flirtsy) towards individuals with pictures on their profile. The one fresh in my mind is Jörgen Sigvardsson, but I don't really care to look up others because this is not important. Like I said, it's not wrong or bad. I flirt with chicks, and I admit that freely. No big friggin' deal. Trollslayer wrote: I'm not trying to turn this on you, but how would you describe how you react to other CPians ? I usually say what people think but don't actually say. Most people try to be a peacemaker and don't verbally expose their thoughts. Is this a fault, maybe, because nobody really ever wants to hear something unless it pleases them. Does this make me an asshole? I'd like to think no, but it probably does. :) Jeremy Falcon Imputek "In fact it is quite simple, men and women both only want one thing - what they can't have!" - phykell
Defensive ? One of the problems with a message board is that you can't hear someones tone of voice or watch their eyes so its easy to misinterpret what they say (this is probably a factor in flame wars on the net). And yes, I'm going to say it again, its nothing to do with pictures. The reason ? Its not. Simple. Believe me, if it was about pictures I would say so, yet despite this you have told me twice what drives my decisions. I find this interesting :suss: As to flirting, if we didn't do it the next generation wouldn't exist ! The interesting part is that its you thats has been looking at pictures. I actually look at profiles for what else is there since a static picture tells you very little about someone. Ravi Bs profile is one of the best and his site the most fun. Elaine (fluffy tigress emoticon) Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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(start of David being shallow) Well if this[^] is the same she then I'll have to agree... (end of David being shallow)
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
David Wulff wrote: Well if this[^] is the same she Abslutely. I can't see any movie with her without getting a serious heartache. To make matters worse, her acting always reminds me of a girl I... dumped accidentally, so to say.
One day I might find it quite amusing how touching tongues make life so confusing Anne Clark again [sighist]
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Defensive ? One of the problems with a message board is that you can't hear someones tone of voice or watch their eyes so its easy to misinterpret what they say (this is probably a factor in flame wars on the net). And yes, I'm going to say it again, its nothing to do with pictures. The reason ? Its not. Simple. Believe me, if it was about pictures I would say so, yet despite this you have told me twice what drives my decisions. I find this interesting :suss: As to flirting, if we didn't do it the next generation wouldn't exist ! The interesting part is that its you thats has been looking at pictures. I actually look at profiles for what else is there since a static picture tells you very little about someone. Ravi Bs profile is one of the best and his site the most fun. Elaine (fluffy tigress emoticon) Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
Trollslayer wrote: And yes, I'm going to say it again, its nothing to do with pictures. I said you do speak to all sorts, but you only act flirty with the CPians with pictures on their profiles that I assume you find attractive. A picture alone doesn't do it. Don't take my word for it, look at your own backlog. Trollslayer wrote: Believe me, if it was about pictures I would say so, yet despite this you have told me twice what drives my decisions. I find this interesting As to flirting, if we didn't do it the next generation wouldn't exist ! You answered it yourself. And, as I said, I flirt too and think it's no big deal that's it done. But, I do defend my points. I used you as a point of reference because you were the CPian that was fresh in my mind in that regards. If anything, you should take that as a compliment. Trollslayer wrote: The interesting part is that its you thats has been looking at pictures. I actually look at profiles for what else is there since a static picture tells you very little about someone. Ravi Bs profile is one of the best and his site the most fun. Um, are you telling me you look at profiles wihtout looking at the pictures? Does Chris M have a special filter for you to disallow you from seeing them? Yeah, I look at profiles for the people that interest me. So what? You're blowing this out of proportion because a simple illustration was in reference to you. Which means you are getting defensive, despite what you're claming at the moment. And, now I'm defensive just to preserve my original point, which has become skewed. Jeremy Falcon Imputek "In fact it is quite simple, men and women both only want one thing - what they can't have!" - phykell
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Anna - next month the local goth night starts again here and there is NO way I'm missing that :cool: :cool: :rose: Elaine (black fluffy tigress with black stripes :cool: ) Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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(start of David being shallow) Well if this[^] is the same she then I'll have to agree... (end of David being shallow)
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
David Wulff wrote: (end of David being shallow) Hey, nothing wrong with being shallow now and then :-D Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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Trollslayer wrote: Sorry, but I am just responding to people not pictures. The bad thing about using a specific... ya gonna get defensive. The bad thing about not using one... someone might ask for a specific. Herm. Do you talk to people without pics - yes. But, I've seen your attitude change (akin to flirtsy) towards individuals with pictures on their profile. The one fresh in my mind is Jörgen Sigvardsson, but I don't really care to look up others because this is not important. Like I said, it's not wrong or bad. I flirt with chicks, and I admit that freely. No big friggin' deal. Trollslayer wrote: I'm not trying to turn this on you, but how would you describe how you react to other CPians ? I usually say what people think but don't actually say. Most people try to be a peacemaker and don't verbally expose their thoughts. Is this a fault, maybe, because nobody really ever wants to hear something unless it pleases them. Does this make me an asshole? I'd like to think no, but it probably does. :) Jeremy Falcon Imputek "In fact it is quite simple, men and women both only want one thing - what they can't have!" - phykell
Your theory about pictures is a bit extreme - I myself don't look at a person's profile (let alone the picture) unless (a) it is singled out by another member, (b) I need to check the person's nationality, age, skills or if possible the sex before making a relavent reply, or (c) they happen to appear above me in the Most Active list. I'll flirt with anyone if they choose to flirt back; a personality trait which often gets me into strange situations but I wouldn't want to change for all the world. Who gives a fuck if a person is male or female? Just like a magnet, your personalities either attract or they repel. If you need to examine physical differences to converse then you have real issues that need to be solved. Jeremy Falcon wrote: I usually say what people think but don't actually say I often find the problem with that perception is that there is never any proof for it... :rolleyes:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
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Your theory about pictures is a bit extreme - I myself don't look at a person's profile (let alone the picture) unless (a) it is singled out by another member, (b) I need to check the person's nationality, age, skills or if possible the sex before making a relavent reply, or (c) they happen to appear above me in the Most Active list. I'll flirt with anyone if they choose to flirt back; a personality trait which often gets me into strange situations but I wouldn't want to change for all the world. Who gives a fuck if a person is male or female? Just like a magnet, your personalities either attract or they repel. If you need to examine physical differences to converse then you have real issues that need to be solved. Jeremy Falcon wrote: I usually say what people think but don't actually say I often find the problem with that perception is that there is never any proof for it... :rolleyes:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
David Wulff wrote: Your theory about pictures is a bit extreme Well yes, but nothing is rarely cut and dry. I'm not saying this is the way things are; I'm saying these are possible reasons for particular circumstances. There are so many variables in life that I only try to think upon some in some situations. David Wulff wrote: they happen to appear above me in the Most Active list. As I understand it, that's practically grounds for war. :) David Wulff wrote: I often find the problem with that perception is that there is never any proof for it... So true, so true. And, most of what I say can't be considered factual until I write a book and on it and have a lot of people read/believe it. Hey, it works for religion. :-D Jeremy Falcon Imputek "In fact it is quite simple, men and women both only want one thing - what they can't have!" - phykell
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phykell wrote: Unfortunately I believe you missed my point. Well, not to focus solely on her, other female CPians do this as well (like Lauren), but the fruit of many of their conversations revolve mainly around male CPians who have a pic. I'm sure I'm not the only one that picked up on this pattern because we are all programmers here. This, of course, goes the other way around too. I see male CPians using any opportunity to reply/talk to a female CPian with a picture. There's nothing bad or wrong about this, that's just life. phykell wrote: I certainly wouldn't even consider choosing my friends specifically to increase my chances of meeting women. This is not what I am implying directly. For one, some people do choose their friends like that. I don't. But, I'm referring to the subconscious aspect in which you do not think about what's happening, you just feel a connection. And, if you weren't interested in sex, you wouldn't be married. Some people manifest their needs differently. You may find your needs fulfilled through a monogamous relationship and therefore get what you like at home in a secure environment amiss of first impressions and snap judgements. phykell wrote: I don't dress to attract them and I don't drive a specific car to attract them. In fact, the sort of women that might be impressed by cars/money, whatever, are exactly the sort of women I wouldn't want to meet. Which is exactly why you didn't do these things. But, you have gone through some ritual to get your woman - it was just probably different. Whether it's intelligence or a nice butt, people have their criteria for the perfect mate. phykell wrote: I will freely admit that I am not in the position of having to look for a female partner as I'm already happily married. Perhaps my opinion might be different if I was single, but I certainly hope not. People do look for it if it's not already present. If you didn't, you wouldn't be married in the first place. If you got divorced, in enough time, you'd be looking for it again. Jeremy Falcon Imputek "In fact it is quite simple, men and women both only want one thing - what they can't have!" - phykell
Jeremy Falcon wrote: Well, not to focus solely on her But that's exactly what you did - you mentioned Trollslayer by name. Jeremy Falcon wrote: I see male CPians using any opportunity to reply/talk to a female CPian with a picture. Well, I'm a relative newcomer but I've not noticed that sort of behaviour. Perhaps you are just much more observant than me. Jeremy Falcon wrote: Which is exactly why you didn't do these things. But, you have gone through some ritual to get your woman - it was just probably different. Whether it's intelligence or a nice butt, people have their criteria for the perfect mate. No, you're trivialising it or trying to categorise and rationalise. It's much more complicated. I have ethical and moral values also which come into play as you can imagine. I'm simply *not* just driven by sex and I don't necessarily have specific rituals. The fact is that I believe in love at first sight and I firmly believe that's what happened to me - no mere, short-lived chemical reaction... :) For example, I might have specific preferences but depending on the girl, those can all go and fly out of the window. That's how it *really* is (thankfully). "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
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Defensive ? One of the problems with a message board is that you can't hear someones tone of voice or watch their eyes so its easy to misinterpret what they say (this is probably a factor in flame wars on the net). And yes, I'm going to say it again, its nothing to do with pictures. The reason ? Its not. Simple. Believe me, if it was about pictures I would say so, yet despite this you have told me twice what drives my decisions. I find this interesting :suss: As to flirting, if we didn't do it the next generation wouldn't exist ! The interesting part is that its you thats has been looking at pictures. I actually look at profiles for what else is there since a static picture tells you very little about someone. Ravi Bs profile is one of the best and his site the most fun. Elaine (fluffy tigress emoticon) Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
Trollslayer wrote: The interesting part is that its you thats has been looking at pictures. I actually look at profiles for what else is there since a static picture tells you very little about someone. Agreed, the only picture I've looked at is Trollslayer's teddy bear and obviously, I don't consider that flirting :) In fact, everyone should look at my picture because it's easily the most attractive you'll see here :) Perhaps I should add my homepage but then you lot might discover what truly awful code I've written! "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
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Trollslayer wrote: The interesting part is that its you thats has been looking at pictures. I actually look at profiles for what else is there since a static picture tells you very little about someone. Agreed, the only picture I've looked at is Trollslayer's teddy bear and obviously, I don't consider that flirting :) In fact, everyone should look at my picture because it's easily the most attractive you'll see here :) Perhaps I should add my homepage but then you lot might discover what truly awful code I've written! "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
phykell wrote: In fact, everyone should look at my picture because it's easily the most attractive you'll see here Very true. Nice cat! :D
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David Wulff wrote: ...is damned attractive? I mean, damn, Anna - hold that bus for me I'm coming with you! The guy must be one of the cutest human beings I have ever seen - male or female - and I know he is only 21, but when he is forty he will still look nineteen, and those eyes... well did I mention THOSE EYES? There is something hypnotically enthralling about those eyes! Paul Mckenner eat your heart out! Dave - that's a truly honest admission, and one most guys couldn't ever bring themselves to make. Well done. :rose: And yes, I do think he's damn cute. ;) Part of the reason is probably that by age 21 his bone structure won't have been noticeably affected by testosterone yet (and the fact that T-Girls who transition before age 25 or so are often so stunning bears this out). As he gets older he'll probably start looking a bit more rugged and "male", but it probably won't be that noticeable until he's 30 or so. Facial hair is the other big thing of course - it makes the skin much more coarse and generally gives it a hard time. His eyes won't change though - they'll always be pretty. :-D David Wulff wrote: So they you go; it seems I may have a bit of closet homosexual in me yet. No pun intended of course. *cough* Most guys don't get this, but admitting you think a member of the same sex is attractive does not make you gay - that implies a sexual preference, which is a different thing. I'd be very surprised if most of us hadn't come across someone of the same sex we'd been attacted to (even just a bit) at least once - and being ashamed of it leads to denial. That's certainly how I've felt in the past when it's happened to me. David Wulff wrote: I can't be alone, so who else thinks Elijah Wood is damned attractive then? Fluffly tigeress's not alowed, I want admissions from butch lions... Hehe I suspect few will be man enough to admit it even if they do agree...male society just couldn't cope with it. :rolleyes: Anna :rose: "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschAnna :) wrote: Most guys don't get this, but admitting you think a member of the same sex is attractive does not make you gay - that implies a sexual preference, which is a different thing. Even though I am one of those romantic, new age, get in touch with your feelings type of guys I think there is a difference between thinking someone is attractive and being attracted to them. I am fully capable of pointing out attractive men, but that is to me the same as pointing out an attractive wedding cake or a nice looking chocolate frog. David definitley crossed the line, he even wanted to ride the same bus. Saying that though there is nothing wrong with it, David can like whoever he wants to like, just as you can. Also you must not be part of the problem by pointing out things like that, you are almost defending him which is not needed because we are all mature, intelligent people. If you announced you were gay then we would not have a problem with it, or shy away.
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Girls do it all the time, so why shouldn't we? Well minus the hair platting, constant talk about emotions and all that other girly crap that is... :laugh: Trollslayer wrote: PS This is my second post because you said I wasn't allowed to Ouch, I'm sorry. :) I just thought it would be universally "yes" if fluffy tigers were allowed to answer...
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
David Wulff wrote: Girls do it all the time, so why shouldn't we <paul puts cynical male hat on> You slimy devil. Going all funny over that actor chap, then getting woman to respond (with even more "no women to respond please" tactics) as they oooh and aaah over David Wulff, sensitive male type. baah humbug, just another male hunting tactic I tell you. Now you have them were you want them. </paul puts cynical male hat on> ;P Oh and as for Mr. Wood (oh god, wrong choice of words) I find him a bit too efeminite in his looks to be attractive. If I had to point out attractive males then Pierce Brosnan, Mel Gibson and that guy from the West Wing.
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Anna :) wrote: Most guys don't get this, but admitting you think a member of the same sex is attractive does not make you gay - that implies a sexual preference, which is a different thing. Even though I am one of those romantic, new age, get in touch with your feelings type of guys I think there is a difference between thinking someone is attractive and being attracted to them. I am fully capable of pointing out attractive men, but that is to me the same as pointing out an attractive wedding cake or a nice looking chocolate frog. David definitley crossed the line, he even wanted to ride the same bus. Saying that though there is nothing wrong with it, David can like whoever he wants to like, just as you can. Also you must not be part of the problem by pointing out things like that, you are almost defending him which is not needed because we are all mature, intelligent people. If you announced you were gay then we would not have a problem with it, or shy away.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaPaul Watson wrote: Even though I am one of those romantic, new age, get in touch with your feelings type of guys I think there is a difference between thinking someone is attractive and being attracted to them. I am fully capable of pointing out attractive men, but that is to me the same as pointing out an attractive wedding cake or a nice looking chocolate frog. Of course there is. What I was trying to say was that I suspect that many heterosexual guys - if they felt such an attraction even once, wouldn't admit it, even to themself. To do otherwise seems to label you as "gay" in male society, even if they didn't (or couldn't bring themselves to) "act" on it. Having said al that, what's in a label? All that should matter is whether you love the person - regardless of sex, creed or colour. As long as you're comfortable with who you are, why worry? Paul Watson wrote: David definitley crossed the line, he even wanted to ride the same bus. Saying that though there is nothing wrong with it, David can like whoever he wants to like, just as you can. Also you must not be part of the problem by pointing out things like that, you are almost defending him which is not needed because we are all mature, intelligent people. If you announced you were gay then we would not have a problem with it, or shy away. I think Dave is perfectly capable of defending himself without my help! That's certainly not my intention - I just find it refreshing to see someone who can openly admit to feelings which are "taboo". I'm actually surprised (and heartened) he hasn't taken any real flak for his admission. Remember the reaction I received in one case when I started talking last year? No matter how mature, we all have our hang-ups in one way or another - and I'm certainly don't claim to be an exception. God Bless, Anna :rose: "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Well, not to focus solely on her But that's exactly what you did - you mentioned Trollslayer by name. Jeremy Falcon wrote: I see male CPians using any opportunity to reply/talk to a female CPian with a picture. Well, I'm a relative newcomer but I've not noticed that sort of behaviour. Perhaps you are just much more observant than me. Jeremy Falcon wrote: Which is exactly why you didn't do these things. But, you have gone through some ritual to get your woman - it was just probably different. Whether it's intelligence or a nice butt, people have their criteria for the perfect mate. No, you're trivialising it or trying to categorise and rationalise. It's much more complicated. I have ethical and moral values also which come into play as you can imagine. I'm simply *not* just driven by sex and I don't necessarily have specific rituals. The fact is that I believe in love at first sight and I firmly believe that's what happened to me - no mere, short-lived chemical reaction... :) For example, I might have specific preferences but depending on the girl, those can all go and fly out of the window. That's how it *really* is (thankfully). "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
phykell wrote: But that's exactly what you did - you mentioned Trollslayer by name. Yes, but then I also gave another example. It seems as if she took it the wrong way I suppose, but hey maybe I should stressed more how much I don't think it's a big deal. phykell wrote: No, you're trivialising it or trying to categorise and rationalise. It's much more complicated. I have ethical and moral values also which come into play as you can imagine. You're not seeing the big picture. I was referring to your actions and preferences, not the reasoning behind them. And, to reiterate one more time, there are plenty of variables involved in any given situation. I spoke of possibilities and not definites; although your taste in women is seemingly reflective of your religious expectations (from your own words). So, my statement still does have merit provided it's viewed in the correct context. phykell wrote: I firmly believe that's what happened to me - no mere, short-lived chemical reaction Love is a chemical reaction. :) Jeremy Falcon Imputek "In fact it is quite simple, men and women both only want one thing - what they can't have!" - phykell
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David Wulff wrote: Girls do it all the time, so why shouldn't we <paul puts cynical male hat on> You slimy devil. Going all funny over that actor chap, then getting woman to respond (with even more "no women to respond please" tactics) as they oooh and aaah over David Wulff, sensitive male type. baah humbug, just another male hunting tactic I tell you. Now you have them were you want them. </paul puts cynical male hat on> ;P Oh and as for Mr. Wood (oh god, wrong choice of words) I find him a bit too efeminite in his looks to be attractive. If I had to point out attractive males then Pierce Brosnan, Mel Gibson and that guy from the West Wing.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaI don't know what you are talking about... *cough* :rolleyes: Bah, you know you're just jealous! :-D Paul Watson wrote: I find him a bit too efeminite in his looks to be attractive Each unto his own I suppose, though I do prefer my men (oh god, wrong choice of words too) to be a little effeminate as they tend to be more interested in interesting things and capable of holding a decent conversation that doesn't revolve around fantasy-based sexual conquest. Paul Watson wrote: If I had to point out attractive males then Pierce Brosnan, Mel Gibson and that guy from the West Wing I don't know of the latter, but you are certainly right about Mel Gibson - he is a classic good looker (which is odd for me 'cause I tend to only find younger people attractive). - and Pierce Brosnan, well, he does make for a good James Bond...
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
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Anna :) wrote: Most guys don't get this, but admitting you think a member of the same sex is attractive does not make you gay - that implies a sexual preference, which is a different thing. Even though I am one of those romantic, new age, get in touch with your feelings type of guys I think there is a difference between thinking someone is attractive and being attracted to them. I am fully capable of pointing out attractive men, but that is to me the same as pointing out an attractive wedding cake or a nice looking chocolate frog. David definitley crossed the line, he even wanted to ride the same bus. Saying that though there is nothing wrong with it, David can like whoever he wants to like, just as you can. Also you must not be part of the problem by pointing out things like that, you are almost defending him which is not needed because we are all mature, intelligent people. If you announced you were gay then we would not have a problem with it, or shy away.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMmmm.... chocolate frogs.... ;P Paul Watson wrote: Even though I am one of those romantic, new age, get in touch with your feelings type of guys ...aka "normal". Some people are just more capable of expressing what many people choose to bottle up; or so it seems to me. Paul Watson wrote: David definitley crossed the line, he even wanted to ride the same bus. Saying that though there is nothing wrong with it, David can like whoever he wants to like, just as you can. Also you must not be part of the problem by pointing out things like that, you are almost defending him which is not needed because we are all mature, intelligent people I am firmly of the conviction that I am far too young to understand my real sexuality yet (or I should say sexualities as their is evidence that we go through many prolonged phases), so I just enjoy making with what I've got. I can go out clubbing of a morning and not have to deal with social stereotypes, just people I like and whom hopefully like me back. I don't see anything wrong with that - as you said, we are all mature intelligent people - even the local interbreeds know what they want (if not much else). I think people of both sexes should go out at least one night a week and just interact with a bunch of people with everyone wearing balaclavas, bodysuits and voice neutralisers, maybe then other people will understand this point of view. It may surprise some people to find I do actually find some females attractive to the extent of being attracted to them, I've even shared what could loosely be called a legit relationship with two of them during my impresionable school years, and likewise 50% of the time I could say the same about the other sex. I am not gay, I am not straight, I am not even bi-sexual - I am me. Life's about having fun with each other not forcing yourself into categories. However I don't see how it is possible to be attracted to an actor or other person that you have never met as there is no personality behind a picture - nothing to be attracted to. Sure I may find Mr Wood attractive (again a wonderful choice of words), but I am in no way attracted to him. My comment about holding the bus was a joke. People get crushes on such people which is nothing really more than self-pitying admiration. Sheesh, all this and I only wanted people to comment on this guy's eyes! :eek:
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Paul Watson wrote: Even though I am one of those romantic, new age, get in touch with your feelings type of guys I think there is a difference between thinking someone is attractive and being attracted to them. I am fully capable of pointing out attractive men, but that is to me the same as pointing out an attractive wedding cake or a nice looking chocolate frog. Of course there is. What I was trying to say was that I suspect that many heterosexual guys - if they felt such an attraction even once, wouldn't admit it, even to themself. To do otherwise seems to label you as "gay" in male society, even if they didn't (or couldn't bring themselves to) "act" on it. Having said al that, what's in a label? All that should matter is whether you love the person - regardless of sex, creed or colour. As long as you're comfortable with who you are, why worry? Paul Watson wrote: David definitley crossed the line, he even wanted to ride the same bus. Saying that though there is nothing wrong with it, David can like whoever he wants to like, just as you can. Also you must not be part of the problem by pointing out things like that, you are almost defending him which is not needed because we are all mature, intelligent people. If you announced you were gay then we would not have a problem with it, or shy away. I think Dave is perfectly capable of defending himself without my help! That's certainly not my intention - I just find it refreshing to see someone who can openly admit to feelings which are "taboo". I'm actually surprised (and heartened) he hasn't taken any real flak for his admission. Remember the reaction I received in one case when I started talking last year? No matter how mature, we all have our hang-ups in one way or another - and I'm certainly don't claim to be an exception. God Bless, Anna :rose: "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschAnna :) wrote: What I was trying to say was that I suspect that many heterosexual guys - if they felt such an attraction even once, wouldn't admit it, even to themself. To do otherwise seems to label you as "gay" in male society, even if they didn't (or couldn't bring themselves to) "act" on it. Hear hear. That is the next hurdle society must conquer before we can advance to better things - and with it will go a lot of deep-rooted problems with current societies too. Conformity is the biggest demon out there. Anna :) wrote: As long as you're comfortable with who you are, why worry? How many people are truely and deeply comfortable with who they are? I am a very strongly introverted person, so while I know full well there is no substance to it I often find myself getting into situations that truely make me feel awkward and uncomfortable about myself. It's a real bitch sometimes, but coversely small victories go a long way. For example (and I know this will strike home to many of you of a similar personality type) I used to hate taking and making telephone calls as a teenager, and still do albeit to a lesser extent, and used to go to great lengths to avoid making them. Nowadays I make phone calls left right and center as part of my daily life, and have no real quarms about doing so, but that period when the phone is ringing and when you havr just hung up pumps more adrenaline through my veins than facing a loaded gun barrel. What was the topic again? Oh yeah, feeling comfortable about who you are... Well I do and I don't, usually at my own hand. Anna :) wrote: I think Dave is perfectly capable of defending himself without my help! Firstly thanks, secondly I am starting to narrow my list of guesses on your other (birth) identity. You are a British man who works in or around London and is one of the few here that call me Dave... All this suspecnse is killing me! Anna :) wrote: I'm actually surprised (and heartened) he hasn't taken any real flak for his admission I don't recall the negative reactions to your revelation, but I have found my take on this topic rarely generates negative feelings, and if so a quick one-to-one discussion has always put them to rest before. The people who typically have a problem with anything of this sort are those that don't understand -- and the unknown scares them into irrationality. After chatting with them and showing them you are act
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David Wulff wrote: Have you considered going to the opticians and having your eyes tested? I think you must be short sighted... as someone who suffers from that same eternal youthful face thing, i have a hard time feeling anything but pity for others who share the condition. :( -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: as someone who suffers from that same eternal youthful face thing Suffer? I've recently stopped getting ID'd when I buy liqour and I'm a little upset about it. I actually like the surprised look on people's faces when I tell them how old I am. _____________________ "So in the interests of survival, they trained themselves to be agreeing machines instead of thinking machines. All their minds had to do was to discover what other people were thinking, and then they thought that, too." Breakfast of Champions, Kurt Vonnegut
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Chris Losinger wrote: as someone who suffers from that same eternal youthful face thing Suffer? I've recently stopped getting ID'd when I buy liqour and I'm a little upset about it. I actually like the surprised look on people's faces when I tell them how old I am. _____________________ "So in the interests of survival, they trained themselves to be agreeing machines instead of thinking machines. All their minds had to do was to discover what other people were thinking, and then they thought that, too." Breakfast of Champions, Kurt Vonnegut
Daniel Ferguson wrote: Suffer? yeah. i'm two weeks shy of 32 but still get carded every single time. even worse, when my wife and i go out she'll get carded too because she's with me, and she often doesn't bring her ID (she never gets carded if she's out with the girls). so, we have to run home, or leave, or worse - drink water :wtf: so, i'm just looking forward to the day that people think i'm out of high school :) -c
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