Stunning!
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The whole reason this was note-worthy to me was that Madcow caught it, acknowledged it for what it was, and criticized it. I mean, this is world shattering. This is like Hitler bitching about Iran's treatment of the Jews, or Chavez calling Castro a pinko commie blood soaked prick. Hell hath frozen over.
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You know Maddow's home town is Castro Valley? :laugh:
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She's a liberal. Obama is not. It's not rocket science.
Very true. But it's been rare until lately for actual liberals to show any opposition to him. And like I said, I would have expected her to be the last to fold.
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BoneSoft wrote:
The whole reason this was note-worthy to me was that Maddow caught it
Nothing note-worthy about her criticism about it at all. There has been plenty of liberal criticism of Obama's continuation of many of Bush's worst abuses. The problem is with your unrealistic cardboard cutout stereotypes of liberals.
What is your opinion of this?
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Those who actually attain high positions only get there through the kind of convictions only possible with true belief? I'll buy that. But doing what you think is right does not necessarily equate to good intentions and noble goals. I mean, I don't believe it was Hitlers goal when he entered office, but you could even argue that cleansing the world of the 'dirty Jews' seemed like a noble goal to him. In that respect I suppose it's completely relative, but no more so than the many things that society, virtually in total, agrees is not good or noble, such as murder (at least murder of people born (purposefully)). One man's good intentions are anothers threat to all that is holy.
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BoneSoft wrote:
I suppose it's completely relative, but no more so than the many things that society, virtually in total, agrees is not good or noble, such as murder (at least murder of people born (purposefully)).
On the other hand, every timeline that invents time-travel goes back and kills Hitler. Presumably with good intentions. Until they discover what Joe Stalin is like if he isn't forced to fight a debilitating war.
BoneSoft wrote:
One man's good intentions are anothers threat to all that is holy.
But understanding that they are good intentions gives you an insight into how to combat him. Sun Tzu (who wrote the original and still the best book on gaming, politics, corporate intrigues, and family get-togethers - oh yeah, and on warfare, too) said once that if you understand you enemy but not yourself you will win half the time; if you understand yourself and not your enemy you will also win half the time. Only when you understand yourself and your enemy can you win every time.
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BoneSoft wrote:
I suppose it's completely relative, but no more so than the many things that society, virtually in total, agrees is not good or noble, such as murder (at least murder of people born (purposefully)).
On the other hand, every timeline that invents time-travel goes back and kills Hitler. Presumably with good intentions. Until they discover what Joe Stalin is like if he isn't forced to fight a debilitating war.
BoneSoft wrote:
One man's good intentions are anothers threat to all that is holy.
But understanding that they are good intentions gives you an insight into how to combat him. Sun Tzu (who wrote the original and still the best book on gaming, politics, corporate intrigues, and family get-togethers - oh yeah, and on warfare, too) said once that if you understand you enemy but not yourself you will win half the time; if you understand yourself and not your enemy you will also win half the time. Only when you understand yourself and your enemy can you win every time.
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Oakman wrote:
On the other hand, every timeline that invents time-travel goes back and kills Hitler. Presumably with good intentions. Until they discover what Joe Stalin is like if he isn't forced to fight a debilitating war.
True, but to date nobody has run for office with that as their platform. :laugh: Well... actually... for all the idiots who think Bush was Hitler...
Oakman wrote:
Sun Tzu
Yes! Know yourself. In the biblical sense? ;P I hear ya, but it's been pretty difficult knowing what's really bouncing around in this maniac's head. He excels at hiding his true intentions.
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Oakman wrote:
On the other hand, every timeline that invents time-travel goes back and kills Hitler. Presumably with good intentions. Until they discover what Joe Stalin is like if he isn't forced to fight a debilitating war.
True, but to date nobody has run for office with that as their platform. :laugh: Well... actually... for all the idiots who think Bush was Hitler...
Oakman wrote:
Sun Tzu
Yes! Know yourself. In the biblical sense? ;P I hear ya, but it's been pretty difficult knowing what's really bouncing around in this maniac's head. He excels at hiding his true intentions.
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BoneSoft wrote:
He excels at hiding his true intentions.
I agree. I believe you've just come up with another trait of successful politicians (in a Democracy or a Dictatorship.)
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BoneSoft wrote:
I suppose it's completely relative, but no more so than the many things that society, virtually in total, agrees is not good or noble, such as murder (at least murder of people born (purposefully)).
On the other hand, every timeline that invents time-travel goes back and kills Hitler. Presumably with good intentions. Until they discover what Joe Stalin is like if he isn't forced to fight a debilitating war.
BoneSoft wrote:
One man's good intentions are anothers threat to all that is holy.
But understanding that they are good intentions gives you an insight into how to combat him. Sun Tzu (who wrote the original and still the best book on gaming, politics, corporate intrigues, and family get-togethers - oh yeah, and on warfare, too) said once that if you understand you enemy but not yourself you will win half the time; if you understand yourself and not your enemy you will also win half the time. Only when you understand yourself and your enemy can you win every time.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
On the other hand, every timeline that invents time-travel goes back and kills Hitler.
You also read that this morning? :)
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Oakman wrote:
On the other hand, every timeline that invents time-travel goes back and kills Hitler.
You also read that this morning? :)
Brady Kelly wrote:
You also read that this morning?
Yes. But for the life of me, I couldn't remember where until after I posted.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
ok, gotta give you props for that one.
Well, at least we make sense to each other some of the time, right?
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Oakman wrote:
Well, at least we make sense to each other some of the time, right?
yep
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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I hope this isn't a repost, I haven't been hanging around too much lately. But I totally missed it until somebody sent it to me... Uhbama's "sustained detention"[^] Now, the fact that he would propose such a thing isn't stunning in the least. Frightening, but not stunning. However, the fact that Rachel Madcow would call him on it, truly is stunning. Coming from the most flamingly liberal pinko commie Bush-bashing media whore ever to tow the party line, this is serious. It's now obvious that our government isn't even a shell of what it once was any more. It's too big, self important, and free to do as it pleases with no regard for the people. We need to figure out what all derailed it, scrap it completely, and start over clean again.
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When you are clueless, I guess the surprises just keep on coming. Maddow has had critical things to say about Obama from well before he was even elected. She is one of the smartest, most honest commentators around.
John Carson
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When you are clueless, I guess the surprises just keep on coming. Maddow has had critical things to say about Obama from well before he was even elected. She is one of the smartest, most honest commentators around.
John Carson
modified on Friday, May 22, 2009 11:23 PM
John Carson wrote:
When you are clueless, I guess the surprises just keep on coming.
Nope, when you are truly clueless you don't see anything that surprises you. You've got it all figured out, don't you. The dumbest people I know are sure they've got nothing left to learn.
John Carson wrote:
She is one of the...
And Anne Coulter is the most mild-mannered and tactful centrist I know :laugh: . And burlap skivies are pure comfort :rolleyes: . Well gee that just makes sense. The most partisan leftist I know thinks the most partisan personality in the leftist media is smart, honest and not at all way off in left field. You know, I've got the pattern down now. There's really no need for you to post anymore, I already know what you're going to say. You'll start with a baseless insult to insure that who you're addressing won't listen and/or are on the defensive, then you'll spew whatever leftist bilge best fits the situation and declare victory in your own mind.
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John Carson wrote:
When you are clueless, I guess the surprises just keep on coming.
Nope, when you are truly clueless you don't see anything that surprises you. You've got it all figured out, don't you. The dumbest people I know are sure they've got nothing left to learn.
John Carson wrote:
She is one of the...
And Anne Coulter is the most mild-mannered and tactful centrist I know :laugh: . And burlap skivies are pure comfort :rolleyes: . Well gee that just makes sense. The most partisan leftist I know thinks the most partisan personality in the leftist media is smart, honest and not at all way off in left field. You know, I've got the pattern down now. There's really no need for you to post anymore, I already know what you're going to say. You'll start with a baseless insult to insure that who you're addressing won't listen and/or are on the defensive, then you'll spew whatever leftist bilge best fits the situation and declare victory in your own mind.
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BoneSoft wrote:
You know, I've got the pattern down now. There's really no need for you to post anymore, I already know what you're going to say.
You know, this applies exactly to you? You're the classic partisan hack who just can't see what he is.
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John Carson wrote:
When you are clueless, I guess the surprises just keep on coming.
Nope, when you are truly clueless you don't see anything that surprises you. You've got it all figured out, don't you. The dumbest people I know are sure they've got nothing left to learn.
John Carson wrote:
She is one of the...
And Anne Coulter is the most mild-mannered and tactful centrist I know :laugh: . And burlap skivies are pure comfort :rolleyes: . Well gee that just makes sense. The most partisan leftist I know thinks the most partisan personality in the leftist media is smart, honest and not at all way off in left field. You know, I've got the pattern down now. There's really no need for you to post anymore, I already know what you're going to say. You'll start with a baseless insult to insure that who you're addressing won't listen and/or are on the defensive, then you'll spew whatever leftist bilge best fits the situation and declare victory in your own mind.
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BoneSoft wrote:
The most partisan leftist I know thinks the most partisan personality in the leftist media is smart, honest and not at all way off in left field.
Anyone with a clue could see she is very smart just from watching her program. For those without a clue, it may help to know that she was a Rhodes Scholar and has a Doctorate from Oxford. As for honest...again, anyone with a clue can see it from watching her. As for "not at all way off in left field", you just made that up; I said nothing about where she fits on the political spectrum. Clearly, she is one of the most left wing people on television. That means that you are incapable of appreciating her talents, but that is your failure, not hers.
BoneSoft wrote:
There's really no need for you to post anymore, I already know what you're going to say.
I don't post in order to convince you of anything; I post to (i) help bystanders see that you are talking rubbish, (ii) make posting rubbish less enjoyable.
John Carson
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BoneSoft wrote:
The most partisan leftist I know thinks the most partisan personality in the leftist media is smart, honest and not at all way off in left field.
Anyone with a clue could see she is very smart just from watching her program. For those without a clue, it may help to know that she was a Rhodes Scholar and has a Doctorate from Oxford. As for honest...again, anyone with a clue can see it from watching her. As for "not at all way off in left field", you just made that up; I said nothing about where she fits on the political spectrum. Clearly, she is one of the most left wing people on television. That means that you are incapable of appreciating her talents, but that is your failure, not hers.
BoneSoft wrote:
There's really no need for you to post anymore, I already know what you're going to say.
I don't post in order to convince you of anything; I post to (i) help bystanders see that you are talking rubbish, (ii) make posting rubbish less enjoyable.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
For those without a clue, it may help to know that she was a Rhodes Scholar and has a Doctorate from Oxford.
I lived with an American citizen who had been a Rhodes scholar with a full scholarship to Oxford for almost five years. There was much to admire about her, but she was no better at keeping her preconceptions from coloring her opinions than I am or you are.
John Carson wrote:
make posting rubbish less enjoyable
Then why go after boney when you could be going after Ilion?
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BoneSoft wrote:
How about changing your mind, and instead of admitting it,
Boney, he made the right decision. You can speculate and impugn his motives all you want, but it comes down to he made the right decision. Ultimately, I don't care why he did something or how machiavellian some folks think he's being. When he makes the right decisions (imho) I'm glad; when he doesn't, I'm pissed. Since I don't imagine this was the first time you've noticed a candidate promising one thing and then delivering another, we're back to so why is it different when he does it?
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Actually that's a great point. Would have had better effect on target without the added bile though.
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Oakman wrote:
Since I don't imagine this was the first time you've noticed a candidate promising one thing and then delivering another, we're back to so why is it different when he does it?
You are sooo dishonest[^].
I can't imagine that Boney is very pleased by the concept of you linking to him. Is it possible that you think that unless you provide some citation to something someone has said that whatever you might post or think is meaningless? If so, let me assure you: Even with the citation, what you post or think is meaningless.
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John Carson wrote:
For those without a clue, it may help to know that she was a Rhodes Scholar and has a Doctorate from Oxford.
I lived with an American citizen who had been a Rhodes scholar with a full scholarship to Oxford for almost five years. There was much to admire about her, but she was no better at keeping her preconceptions from coloring her opinions than I am or you are.
John Carson wrote:
make posting rubbish less enjoyable
Then why go after boney when you could be going after Ilion?
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Oakman wrote:
I lived with an American citizen who had been a Rhodes scholar with a full scholarship to Oxford for almost five years. There was much to admire about her, but she was no better at keeping her preconceptions from coloring her opinions than I am or you are.
That doesn't surprise me.
Oakman wrote:
Then why go after boney when you could be going after Ilion?
I think Ilion is a damaged person who won't be improved by criticism. He also seems to have a near-zero ability to convince anyone of anything.
John Carson
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Oakman wrote:
I lived with an American citizen who had been a Rhodes scholar with a full scholarship to Oxford for almost five years. There was much to admire about her, but she was no better at keeping her preconceptions from coloring her opinions than I am or you are.
That doesn't surprise me.
Oakman wrote:
Then why go after boney when you could be going after Ilion?
I think Ilion is a damaged person who won't be improved by criticism. He also seems to have a near-zero ability to convince anyone of anything.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
I think Ilion is a damaged person who won't be improved by criticism.
True. I should remember that. :-O
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BoneSoft wrote:
You know, I've got the pattern down now. There's really no need for you to post anymore, I already know what you're going to say.
You know, this applies exactly to you? You're the classic partisan hack who just can't see what he is.
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ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES!!!Pot, I'd like you to meet kettle, dutch oven and wok. :rolleyes: Go ahead there Timmy, what's my pattern? The only thing you've noticed is that you never agree with me. But go ahead and see if you can make something up.
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