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Touche. Actually, there are tons of true conservatives around. Problem is none of them choose to run for office or none can make it very far when they try. :sigh: I think you have to be a filthy corrupt bastard by necessity to make it in politics.
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BoneSoft wrote:
Actually, there are tons of true conservatives around
Most of the country, I suspect - even in New York, Massachusetts and California there are a helluvalot of 'em.
BoneSoft wrote:
Problem is none of them choose to run for office or none can make it very far when they try
Too many johnny-come-neos are running around telling people who have thought of themselves as conservatives all of their life, they aren't because they don't cross this "t" or that "i." I forget what the actual numbers are, but I believe that something like 35% of Americans identify themselves as conservative, but only 20% of them identify themselves as Republicans - supposedly the conservative party. I remember when Ronald Reagan said, "I didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me." Now the same thing is happening on the other side of the aisle. If I remember it correctly, the reverse of those stats is also true: only 20% of Americans identify themselves as liberal, but 35% of them consider themselves Democrats.
BoneSoft wrote:
I think you have to be a filthy corrupt bastard by necessity to make it in politics.
I think a lot of it has to do with our electronic communications. If you've got the money, you can hire the flacks to churn out so much bullshit that you drown your opponents with it. But getting that money means practicing the oldest profession.
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Christian Graus wrote:
There's no debate, you just said something stupid. If you represented my actual opinion, then there would be debate.
In simpler terms, there is no debate, just insults. Yes, you can lie to yourself all you want and believe it. Does that persuade me in any way? Sure, it makes me believe you are a feminine male.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
In simpler terms, there is no debate, just insults.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Sure, it makes me believe you are a feminine male.
Pot, this is kettle. Kettle, this is pot. Anyway, Christian probably doesn't need to carry a gun because his pistol is big enough. :laugh:
You never ever could win a war / That's what you have to learn / Here everybody is a loser / You will get nothing in return - "Fortunes of War", Funker Vogt
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Le Centriste wrote:
I am always trying to educate myself more in the way Americans think.
if you're interested in a broad brush view, give a thought to reading a book, "The 5000 Year Leap". it has been in print for nearly 30 years. The 5000 Year Leap: A Miracle That Changed the World. For many years in the United States there has been a gradual drifting away from the Founding Fathers original success formula. This has resulted in some of their most unique contributions for a free and prosperous society becoming lost or misunderstood. Therefore, there has been a need to review the history and development of the making of America in order to recapture the brilliant precepts which made Americans the first free people in modern times. In this book, discover the 28 Principles of Freedom our Founding Fathers said must be understood and perpetuated by every people who desire peace, prosperity, and freedom. Learn how adherence to these beliefs during the past 200 years has brought about more progress than was made in the previous 5000 years. Published by National Center for Constitutional Studies, a non-profit organization.[^] another good one, more recent vintage and specifically with a conservative view point and an exhaustive sourcing for the various points made: Conservative talk radio's fastest-growing superstar is also a New York Times bestselling phenomenon: the author of the groundbreaking critique of the Supreme Court, Men in Black, and the deeply personal dog lover's memoir Rescuing Sprite, Mark R. Levin now delivers the book that characterizes both his devotion to his more than 5 million listeners and his love of our country and the legacy of our Founding Fathers: Liberty and Tyranny is Mark R. Levin's clarion call to conservative America, a new manifesto for the conservative movement for the 21st century. In the face of the modern liberal assault on Constitution-based values, an attack that has steadily snowballed since President Roosevelt's New Deal of the 1930s and resulted in a federal government that is a massive, una
Mike Gaskey wrote:
Conservative beliefs in individual freedoms do in the end stand for liberty for all Americans, while liberal dictates lead to the breakdown of civilized society -- in short, tyranny.
This is an interesting statement. What would you say are the top five (in order of importance) principles of Conservatism?
You never ever could win a war / That's what you have to learn / Here everybody is a loser / You will get nothing in return - "Fortunes of War", Funker Vogt
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
In simpler terms, there is no debate, just insults.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Sure, it makes me believe you are a feminine male.
Pot, this is kettle. Kettle, this is pot. Anyway, Christian probably doesn't need to carry a gun because his pistol is big enough. :laugh:
You never ever could win a war / That's what you have to learn / Here everybody is a loser / You will get nothing in return - "Fortunes of War", Funker Vogt
Daniel Ferguson wrote:
Anyway, Christian probably doesn't need to carry a gun because his pistol is big enough.
This isn't a gay porn chat forum.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
Conservative beliefs in individual freedoms do in the end stand for liberty for all Americans, while liberal dictates lead to the breakdown of civilized society -- in short, tyranny.
This is an interesting statement. What would you say are the top five (in order of importance) principles of Conservatism?
You never ever could win a war / That's what you have to learn / Here everybody is a loser / You will get nothing in return - "Fortunes of War", Funker Vogt
I would say... 1) Personal responsibility 2) Personal responsibility 3) Personal responsibility 4) Personal responsibility and, last but not least... 5) Personal responsibility And of course those top 5 add up to mean more freedom through less government. And just imagine a world where the majority of people in government were responsible people. The thought of that Utopia gives me the warm fuzzies.
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Daniel Ferguson wrote:
Anyway, Christian probably doesn't need to carry a gun because his pistol is big enough.
This isn't a gay porn chat forum.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
This isn't a gay porn chat forum.
Sadly for you.....
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Christian Graus on the other hand would like to see us be forced to have electronic fingerprint activated firing mechanisms with a central remote disabler.
You moron.
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Christian Graus wrote:
CaptainSeeSharp: Christian Graus on the other hand would like to see us be forced to have electronic fingerprint activated firing mechanisms with a central remote disabler. Passive-Agressive Lad: You moron.
:laugh: What a hoot![^] :laugh:
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I would say... 1) Personal responsibility 2) Personal responsibility 3) Personal responsibility 4) Personal responsibility and, last but not least... 5) Personal responsibility And of course those top 5 add up to mean more freedom through less government. And just imagine a world where the majority of people in government were responsible people. The thought of that Utopia gives me the warm fuzzies.
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BoneSoft wrote:
- Personal responsibility 2) Personal responsibility 3) Personal responsibility 4) Personal responsibility and, last but not least... 5) Personal responsibility
I believe in personal responsibility too, but I was looking for a serious answer.
You never ever could win a war / That's what you have to learn / Here everybody is a loser / You will get nothing in return - "Fortunes of War", Funker Vogt
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
In simpler terms, there is no debate, just insults.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Sure, it makes me believe you are a feminine male.
Pot, this is kettle. Kettle, this is pot. Anyway, Christian probably doesn't need to carry a gun because his pistol is big enough. :laugh:
You never ever could win a war / That's what you have to learn / Here everybody is a loser / You will get nothing in return - "Fortunes of War", Funker Vogt
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BoneSoft wrote:
we may need another one for conservatives,
True conservatives (the kind that conserve and serve) are already on the endangered species list.
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Oakman wrote:
True conservatives (the kind that conserve and serve)
Good point, there are quite a few (Bush Jr, Cheney) Conservatives leaders and pundits too who actively avoided service while talking a lot about military and honor. That's one thing I have to respect about McCain, even though I obviously disagree with his ideas — he did actually serve.
You never ever could win a war / That's what you have to learn / Here everybody is a loser / You will get nothing in return - "Fortunes of War", Funker Vogt
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
if that doesn't happen, the slide to another form of government will be complete making militia enlistment pretty much a must do for citizens
Hey, what a great idea. We could web-form the 1024th Brigade of IT irregulars: "the Kilobyte Killers!"
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Oakman wrote:
We could web-form the 1024th Brigade of IT irregulars: "the Kilobyte Killers!"
I'd prefer the 4096 designation, 4 times as strong.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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I would say... 1) Personal responsibility 2) Personal responsibility 3) Personal responsibility 4) Personal responsibility and, last but not least... 5) Personal responsibility And of course those top 5 add up to mean more freedom through less government. And just imagine a world where the majority of people in government were responsible people. The thought of that Utopia gives me the warm fuzzies.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
Conservative beliefs in individual freedoms do in the end stand for liberty for all Americans, while liberal dictates lead to the breakdown of civilized society -- in short, tyranny.
This is an interesting statement. What would you say are the top five (in order of importance) principles of Conservatism?
You never ever could win a war / That's what you have to learn / Here everybody is a loser / You will get nothing in return - "Fortunes of War", Funker Vogt
Sorry, didn't see this until as minuite ago, but:
Daniel Ferguson wrote:
What would you say are the top five (in order of importance) principles of Conservatism?
Personal responability (as Bonesoft has already noted), includes self reliance Family before all other considerations Moral / ethical behavior Individual rights, ie., the natural rights of man including the sanctity of personal property rights Limited Federal authority over individuals, as outlined in the Constituition
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Oakman wrote:
We could web-form the 1024th Brigade of IT irregulars: "the Kilobyte Killers!"
I'd prefer the 4096 designation, 4 times as strong.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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I would say... 1) Personal responsibility 2) Personal responsibility 3) Personal responsibility 4) Personal responsibility and, last but not least... 5) Personal responsibility And of course those top 5 add up to mean more freedom through less government. And just imagine a world where the majority of people in government were responsible people. The thought of that Utopia gives me the warm fuzzies.
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BoneSoft wrote:
Personal responsibility
Which lets out most of the neos. They seem to favor a big government with lots of control and all kinds of rules and regulations.
BoneSoft wrote:
And just imagine a world where the majority of people in government were responsible people.
You shouldn't start drinking so early in the evening.
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Sorry, didn't see this until as minuite ago, but:
Daniel Ferguson wrote:
What would you say are the top five (in order of importance) principles of Conservatism?
Personal responability (as Bonesoft has already noted), includes self reliance Family before all other considerations Moral / ethical behavior Individual rights, ie., the natural rights of man including the sanctity of personal property rights Limited Federal authority over individuals, as outlined in the Constituition
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
Personal responability (as Bonesoft has already noted), includes self reliance Family before all other considerations Moral / ethical behavior Individual rights, ie., the natural rights of man including the sanctity of personal property rights Limited Federal authority over individuals, as outlined in the Constituition
Nothing there I'd argue with. If I had to sum it up, I'd say that the conservatives I am talking about are those who take personal responsibility for the survival of their family, their friends, their nation, and their species - not necessarily in that order. To me, that is conservative and moral.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Oakman wrote:
True conservatives (the kind that conserve and serve)
Good point, there are quite a few (Bush Jr, Cheney) Conservatives leaders and pundits too who actively avoided service while talking a lot about military and honor. That's one thing I have to respect about McCain, even though I obviously disagree with his ideas — he did actually serve.
You never ever could win a war / That's what you have to learn / Here everybody is a loser / You will get nothing in return - "Fortunes of War", Funker Vogt
Daniel Ferguson wrote:
Good point, there are quite a few (Bush Jr, Cheney) Conservatives leaders and pundits too who actively avoided service while talking a lot about military and honor
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
Personal responability (as Bonesoft has already noted), includes self reliance Family before all other considerations Moral / ethical behavior Individual rights, ie., the natural rights of man including the sanctity of personal property rights Limited Federal authority over individuals, as outlined in the Constituition
Nothing there I'd argue with. If I had to sum it up, I'd say that the conservatives I am talking about are those who take personal responsibility for the survival of their family, their friends, their nation, and their species - not necessarily in that order. To me, that is conservative and moral.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
If I had to sum it up, I'd say
Good summary, a bit better than my list approach - but more to the point, we agree.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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BoneSoft wrote:
- Personal responsibility 2) Personal responsibility 3) Personal responsibility 4) Personal responsibility and, last but not least... 5) Personal responsibility
I believe in personal responsibility too, but I was looking for a serious answer.
You never ever could win a war / That's what you have to learn / Here everybody is a loser / You will get nothing in return - "Fortunes of War", Funker Vogt
Serious as a heart attack. It all boils down to personal responsibility. I don't need or want a hand-out from anybody, least of all a government. Anybody who's ever watched a single episode of Sopranos knows that "hey lemme help you out there" usually means "hey lemme own your ass". As a consequence, I pull my own weight, and I expect others to do the same. Self reliance and personal responsibility. Also as a consequence, how I do in this world rests entirely on my shoulders, so I have incentive to work hard because nobody's going to do it for me. An economy and social structure built on this foundation is self governing to a large extent and prosperous for anybody with the motivation to make the most of it. That was America. Of course there will always be a small number of people who truly cannot provide for themselves and have no family to be responsible for them. Who, for the most part, can be helped by churches and other charitable individuals and organizations. Or even possibly some modest state sponsored groups. This philosophy did us very well for a long time, through some of the most prosperous times in human history. Now, there have always been those who didn't want to pull their own weight, which meant they and their families suffered. The problems come when somebody doesn't like Darwin's work and insists that somebody help those poor lazy wastes of space. But since most people pulling their own weight have no sympathy for those who don't, the government is asked to do it with all of our tax money. And pretty soon, more and more people don't want to pull their own weight. And a good portion of the people forget where the government gets their money and therefore don't feel in the least bit embarrassed or guilty for screwing the government. And before you know it, you have a legally ineligible communist elected president. And we all know how this story ends, the senate kills him, allowing Augustus to take power and we're saddled with an emperor for the next several hundred years until the empire dissolves under its own weight and the dark ages begin. Then with any luck, somebody sits around contemplating the universe long enough to come to the epiphany that, maybe if people pulled their own weight, prosperity and harmony could rule the land. And round and round we go. Personal responsibility. Plain and simple.
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BoneSoft wrote:
Personal responsibility
Which lets out most of the neos. They seem to favor a big government with lots of control and all kinds of rules and regulations.
BoneSoft wrote:
And just imagine a world where the majority of people in government were responsible people.
You shouldn't start drinking so early in the evening.
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Oakman wrote:
Which lets out most of the neos. They seem to favor a big government with lots of control and all kinds of rules and regulations.
George went way off the reservation, and a lot of people didn't question the party line. I suspect it would be much easier to break away from that party line if the other party wasn't treating the divide like a war. When you hear all day long that "you suck because your party blah blah blah" the easiest thing to fall back on in defense mode is to defend the party or denounce it, and THEN try to fight the premise. Why, I don't know, but that's how most people react. If we could get past all this "you're a moron because you think something different" I think a lot of things would straighten out.
Oakman wrote:
ou shouldn't start drinking so early in the evening.
I know huh? Responsible honest people forming a responsible honest government? That's just CRAZY talk! Something in our system either weeds out the decent people, or just attracts douche bags. I wish to God I knew what it was, so I could suggest we change it.
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