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  • D Dan Neely

    ^ is XOR in C++, vs exponentiation in arithmetic. It's retarded.

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    Rama Krishna Vavilala
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    Yep! I know that:) but never had any problem with it. But ^ in C++/CLI, also called hat or cap, looks just plain ugly.

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    • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

      Yep! I know that:) but never had any problem with it. But ^ in C++/CLI, also called hat or cap, looks just plain ugly.

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      Single Step Debugger
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      For some odd reason ^ replaced the _gc in the first CLI.

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        For some odd reason ^ replaced the _gc in the first CLI.

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        Rama Krishna Vavilala
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        Deyan Georgiev wrote:

        replaced the _gc

        Which was even worse :).

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        • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

          Deyan Georgiev wrote:

          replaced the _gc

          Which was even worse :).

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          Nemanja Trifunovic
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          Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

          Which was even worse

          I dissagree. Underscores are a standard-sanctioned way to extend the language. There was really no reason to break compatibility with Managed C++ and introduce "C++/CLI".

          utf8-cpp

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          • P pelnor

            I have not written any C++ code since 2001. Now I'm dragging one of my old dll's out of mothballs to add some new features. Some where in those 8 absent years the garbage collector or my brain declared C++ syntax of no use and deleted it for me. Now I'm staring at my code wondering what all the hieroglyphics are for. Let's see there's this * guy. He's got something to do with pointers. It's attached or next to some of my variables. Then there's ::, <<, >>, wait.... wait, it's coming back to me.... "<<" is super less than. Got it moving on. Then I run into ^. Oh come on! Who thought ^ was a good idea? Linker? what is that? You mean I have to tell this linker of yours where to look for things just so I can compile? There isn't just a magic "make it go button"? This is going to be a long day. Better load up on the caffeine.

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            Maximilien
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            pelnor wrote:

            Then I run into ^. Oh come on! Who thought ^ was a good idea?

            It's a chinese pointer.

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            • D Dan Neely

              ^ is XOR in C++, vs exponentiation in arithmetic. It's retarded.

              The latest nation. Procrastination.

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              John M Drescher
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              Dan Neely wrote:

              It's retarded.

              Agreed. Although, in the 600K to 800K lines of C++ I have produced I do not recall ever using that one time. I would have had to look it up if I saw it..

              John

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              • P pelnor

                I have not written any C++ code since 2001. Now I'm dragging one of my old dll's out of mothballs to add some new features. Some where in those 8 absent years the garbage collector or my brain declared C++ syntax of no use and deleted it for me. Now I'm staring at my code wondering what all the hieroglyphics are for. Let's see there's this * guy. He's got something to do with pointers. It's attached or next to some of my variables. Then there's ::, <<, >>, wait.... wait, it's coming back to me.... "<<" is super less than. Got it moving on. Then I run into ^. Oh come on! Who thought ^ was a good idea? Linker? what is that? You mean I have to tell this linker of yours where to look for things just so I can compile? There isn't just a magic "make it go button"? This is going to be a long day. Better load up on the caffeine.

                Latest toy built for fun: Web Lens Best feature: Full size images when using Google image search.

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                Single Step Debugger
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                And if you put “&” before some variable, it will returns a strange combination of letters and numbers. I usually use this cute property for getting random numbers in runtime – works great!

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                • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                  Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                  Which was even worse

                  I dissagree. Underscores are a standard-sanctioned way to extend the language. There was really no reason to break compatibility with Managed C++ and introduce "C++/CLI".

                  utf8-cpp

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                  Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                  Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                  Underscores are a standard-sanctioned way to extend the language

                  I agree with that. But there was no need for that (_gc keyword) in the first place. The whole thing could have been a lot simpler. The code simply looked ugly.

                  Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                  There was really no reason to break compatibility with Managed C++ and introduce "C++/CLI".

                  Managed C++ was ugly so was C++/CLI. So no arguments there.

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                  • P pelnor

                    I have not written any C++ code since 2001. Now I'm dragging one of my old dll's out of mothballs to add some new features. Some where in those 8 absent years the garbage collector or my brain declared C++ syntax of no use and deleted it for me. Now I'm staring at my code wondering what all the hieroglyphics are for. Let's see there's this * guy. He's got something to do with pointers. It's attached or next to some of my variables. Then there's ::, <<, >>, wait.... wait, it's coming back to me.... "<<" is super less than. Got it moving on. Then I run into ^. Oh come on! Who thought ^ was a good idea? Linker? what is that? You mean I have to tell this linker of yours where to look for things just so I can compile? There isn't just a magic "make it go button"? This is going to be a long day. Better load up on the caffeine.

                    Latest toy built for fun: Web Lens Best feature: Full size images when using Google image search.

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                    Dave Parker
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                    It's even better now. As well as pointers and references you now have handles. :) Not that I've ever worked with managed C++ or whatever its called now but I bet it's fun trying to get a handle on pointers to references of pointers to handles. Thing*&^thingy=&somethingNasty; (A while since I did C++ so the above is probably wrong.....)

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                    • P pelnor

                      I have not written any C++ code since 2001. Now I'm dragging one of my old dll's out of mothballs to add some new features. Some where in those 8 absent years the garbage collector or my brain declared C++ syntax of no use and deleted it for me. Now I'm staring at my code wondering what all the hieroglyphics are for. Let's see there's this * guy. He's got something to do with pointers. It's attached or next to some of my variables. Then there's ::, <<, >>, wait.... wait, it's coming back to me.... "<<" is super less than. Got it moving on. Then I run into ^. Oh come on! Who thought ^ was a good idea? Linker? what is that? You mean I have to tell this linker of yours where to look for things just so I can compile? There isn't just a magic "make it go button"? This is going to be a long day. Better load up on the caffeine.

                      Latest toy built for fun: Web Lens Best feature: Full size images when using Google image search.

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                      RugbyLeague
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                      I am converting a compiler and language runtime written in C++ into C# - that's fun :^)

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                        pelnor wrote:

                        There isn't just a magic "make it go button"?

                        F5 and a properly configured workspace?

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                        pelnor
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                        Propery configured was the challenge. I way jumping the old project over several versions of VS. Things did not go as smooth as i hoped for. But with google by my side i can't fail.

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                        • A Anthony Mushrow

                          What have you been working with instead?

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                          pelnor
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                          Several years of VB got in the way. I mostly do c# now so it's not tooooo much culture shock. Just some head scratching.

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                          • J John M Drescher

                            Dan Neely wrote:

                            It's retarded.

                            Agreed. Although, in the 600K to 800K lines of C++ I have produced I do not recall ever using that one time. I would have had to look it up if I saw it..

                            John

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                            Dan Neely
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                            I know I've used it for something before, although I'm not sure what it was. Toggling a bitflag without knowing it's original value???

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                            • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                              Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                              Underscores are a standard-sanctioned way to extend the language

                              I agree with that. But there was no need for that (_gc keyword) in the first place. The whole thing could have been a lot simpler. The code simply looked ugly.

                              Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                              There was really no reason to break compatibility with Managed C++ and introduce "C++/CLI".

                              Managed C++ was ugly so was C++/CLI. So no arguments there.

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                              Nemanja Trifunovic
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                              Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                              ugly

                              I find all C-based languages to be ugly (some more than others). It is not about beauty, but usefulness. Managed C++ is useful for some scenarios and that's what matters. I'd rather use beautiful Haskell but it just does not let me get my job done.

                              utf8-cpp

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                              • D Dan Neely

                                I know I've used it for something before, although I'm not sure what it was. Toggling a bitflag without knowing it's original value???

                                The latest nation. Procrastination.

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                                Peter Mulholland
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                                what about swapping 2 values without a temp variable:

                                char\* start = str;
                                char\* end = str + (strlen(str) - 1);
                                
                                while (start < end) 
                                {
                                    \*start ^= \*end;
                                    \*end ^= \*start;
                                    \*start++ ^= \*end--;
                                }
                                return str;
                                

                                Pete

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                                  what about swapping 2 values without a temp variable:

                                  char\* start = str;
                                  char\* end = str + (strlen(str) - 1);
                                  
                                  while (start < end) 
                                  {
                                      \*start ^= \*end;
                                      \*end ^= \*start;
                                      \*start++ ^= \*end--;
                                  }
                                  return str;
                                  

                                  Pete

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                                  John M Drescher
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                                  I remember that you can do this with XORs however for code readability I would never do that in a program.

                                  John

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                                    I remember that you can do this with XORs however for code readability I would never do that in a program.

                                    John

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                                    Nemanja Trifunovic
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                                    John M. Drescher wrote:

                                    you can do this with XORs however for code readability I would never do that in a program

                                    Meh, pack it into a well named inline function, such as swap_in_place() and the readability problem is solved.

                                    utf8-cpp

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                                      I am converting a compiler and language runtime written in C++ into C# - that's fun :^)

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                                      John M Drescher
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                                      I have lots of fun doing the reverse. :laugh:

                                      John

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                                      • J John M Drescher

                                        Dan Neely wrote:

                                        It's retarded.

                                        Agreed. Although, in the 600K to 800K lines of C++ I have produced I do not recall ever using that one time. I would have had to look it up if I saw it..

                                        John

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                                        Single Step Debugger
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                                        I’m not agreed. It was all over my code for almost three years. XOR is very heavily used in the cryptography.

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                                        • S Single Step Debugger

                                          I’m not agreed. It was all over my code for almost three years. XOR is very heavily used in the cryptography.

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                                          John M Drescher
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                                          Deyan Georgiev wrote:

                                          XOR is very heavily used in the cryptography.

                                          You just reminded me.. I actually may have to dig into this soon to interface with a medical workstation. I will probably just use a standard library however.

                                          John

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