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    Erik Westermann
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    I know it happens to everyone - I just need to vent. I have a support person on my left, manager in an office, door open and constantly on speaker phone on the right. Behind me - a busy walkway. In front of me - a lot of conversations. In my head - lots of swearing, trying to remain reasonably calm while trying to solve really hard problems on a ridiculous schedule. Developers need to work among each other - you can't mix-up like this - they get all mixed up - literally! By the way, if anyone is going to the Stackoverflow Dev Days in Toronto[^] this Friday - I'll be there! I'm a sponsor of the conference (sponsoring the coffee breaks), so say hello if you are there.

    Erik Westermann - ArtOfBabel.com - Systems Integration Magazine
    Contact Erik for consulting, development, or content creation via erik [at] wWorkflow.net

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    • E Erik Westermann

      I know it happens to everyone - I just need to vent. I have a support person on my left, manager in an office, door open and constantly on speaker phone on the right. Behind me - a busy walkway. In front of me - a lot of conversations. In my head - lots of swearing, trying to remain reasonably calm while trying to solve really hard problems on a ridiculous schedule. Developers need to work among each other - you can't mix-up like this - they get all mixed up - literally! By the way, if anyone is going to the Stackoverflow Dev Days in Toronto[^] this Friday - I'll be there! I'm a sponsor of the conference (sponsoring the coffee breaks), so say hello if you are there.

      Erik Westermann - ArtOfBabel.com - Systems Integration Magazine
      Contact Erik for consulting, development, or content creation via erik [at] wWorkflow.net

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      John M Drescher
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      This drives me nuts and I have my own office that I can close the door. I can still hear loud discussions in the hall however. My solution is just to turn up the volume on my music. However if I was in a cubical I would invest in noise canceling headphones to get rid of that.

      John

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      • E Erik Westermann

        I know it happens to everyone - I just need to vent. I have a support person on my left, manager in an office, door open and constantly on speaker phone on the right. Behind me - a busy walkway. In front of me - a lot of conversations. In my head - lots of swearing, trying to remain reasonably calm while trying to solve really hard problems on a ridiculous schedule. Developers need to work among each other - you can't mix-up like this - they get all mixed up - literally! By the way, if anyone is going to the Stackoverflow Dev Days in Toronto[^] this Friday - I'll be there! I'm a sponsor of the conference (sponsoring the coffee breaks), so say hello if you are there.

        Erik Westermann - ArtOfBabel.com - Systems Integration Magazine
        Contact Erik for consulting, development, or content creation via erik [at] wWorkflow.net

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        Hans Dietrich
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        Not to be too zen, but ... it bothers you because you let it bother you. Embrace it. :cool:

        Best wishes, Hans


        [Hans Dietrich Software]

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        • E Erik Westermann

          I know it happens to everyone - I just need to vent. I have a support person on my left, manager in an office, door open and constantly on speaker phone on the right. Behind me - a busy walkway. In front of me - a lot of conversations. In my head - lots of swearing, trying to remain reasonably calm while trying to solve really hard problems on a ridiculous schedule. Developers need to work among each other - you can't mix-up like this - they get all mixed up - literally! By the way, if anyone is going to the Stackoverflow Dev Days in Toronto[^] this Friday - I'll be there! I'm a sponsor of the conference (sponsoring the coffee breaks), so say hello if you are there.

          Erik Westermann - ArtOfBabel.com - Systems Integration Magazine
          Contact Erik for consulting, development, or content creation via erik [at] wWorkflow.net

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          Richard Jones
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          You could try joining the conversations, and when they give you dirty looks, smile.

          "The activity of 'debugging', or removing bugs from a program, ends when people get tired of doing it, not when the bugs are removed." - "Datamation", January 15, 1984

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            I know it happens to everyone - I just need to vent. I have a support person on my left, manager in an office, door open and constantly on speaker phone on the right. Behind me - a busy walkway. In front of me - a lot of conversations. In my head - lots of swearing, trying to remain reasonably calm while trying to solve really hard problems on a ridiculous schedule. Developers need to work among each other - you can't mix-up like this - they get all mixed up - literally! By the way, if anyone is going to the Stackoverflow Dev Days in Toronto[^] this Friday - I'll be there! I'm a sponsor of the conference (sponsoring the coffee breaks), so say hello if you are there.

            Erik Westermann - ArtOfBabel.com - Systems Integration Magazine
            Contact Erik for consulting, development, or content creation via erik [at] wWorkflow.net

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            Henry Minute
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            I followed the link in your sig and was very disappointed. I had read it as ArtOfBabe.com :) . BTW is that your pic on the home page?

            Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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              This drives me nuts and I have my own office that I can close the door. I can still hear loud discussions in the hall however. My solution is just to turn up the volume on my music. However if I was in a cubical I would invest in noise canceling headphones to get rid of that.

              John

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              Erik Westermann
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              John M. Drescher wrote:

              I would invest in noise canceling headphones to get rid of that

              I have them, but I don't think they're designed to be worn for 8-12 hours each day (the in-ear variety). I find that they don't work as well as I need them to work, and the music is often just as distracting, unfortunately.

              Erik Westermann - ArtOfBabel.com - Systems Integration Magazine
              Contact Erik for consulting, development, or content creation via erik [at] wWorkflow.net

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                Not to be too zen, but ... it bothers you because you let it bother you. Embrace it. :cool:

                Best wishes, Hans


                [Hans Dietrich Software]

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                Erik Westermann
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                Hans Dietrich wrote:

                it bothers you because you let it bother you.

                Evil...just evil ;)

                Erik Westermann - ArtOfBabel.com - Systems Integration Magazine
                Contact Erik for consulting, development, or content creation via erik [at] wWorkflow.net

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                  I followed the link in your sig and was very disappointed. I had read it as ArtOfBabe.com :) . BTW is that your pic on the home page?

                  Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                  Erik Westermann
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                  Ohh...ArtOfBabe.....nice variation! I suspect some would be confused by the content though (the domain is available - I'm surprised)

                  Henry Minute wrote:

                  BTW is that your pic on the home page?

                  What - the kid?! A pic of me? No, I'm a little older than that :)

                  Erik Westermann - ArtOfBabel.com - Systems Integration Magazine
                  Contact Erik for consulting, development, or content creation via erik [at] wWorkflow.net

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                  • R Richard Jones

                    You could try joining the conversations, and when they give you dirty looks, smile.

                    "The activity of 'debugging', or removing bugs from a program, ends when people get tired of doing it, not when the bugs are removed." - "Datamation", January 15, 1984

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                    Erik Westermann
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                    Richard Jones wrote:

                    You could try joining the conversations...

                    :) they would probably be happy to have some new blood in their tired conversations!

                    Erik Westermann - ArtOfBabel.com - Systems Integration Magazine
                    Contact Erik for consulting, development, or content creation via erik [at] wWorkflow.net

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                    • E Erik Westermann

                      I know it happens to everyone - I just need to vent. I have a support person on my left, manager in an office, door open and constantly on speaker phone on the right. Behind me - a busy walkway. In front of me - a lot of conversations. In my head - lots of swearing, trying to remain reasonably calm while trying to solve really hard problems on a ridiculous schedule. Developers need to work among each other - you can't mix-up like this - they get all mixed up - literally! By the way, if anyone is going to the Stackoverflow Dev Days in Toronto[^] this Friday - I'll be there! I'm a sponsor of the conference (sponsoring the coffee breaks), so say hello if you are there.

                      Erik Westermann - ArtOfBabel.com - Systems Integration Magazine
                      Contact Erik for consulting, development, or content creation via erik [at] wWorkflow.net

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                      kinar
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                      I prefer to be surrounded by people rather than other programmers (who we all know are not actually people) and walls.

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                      • E Erik Westermann

                        Hans Dietrich wrote:

                        it bothers you because you let it bother you.

                        Evil...just evil ;)

                        Erik Westermann - ArtOfBabel.com - Systems Integration Magazine
                        Contact Erik for consulting, development, or content creation via erik [at] wWorkflow.net

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                        Hans Dietrich
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                        Not really evil, it's just the story you tell yourself. Imagine, for example: You are one of the first colonists chosen to be aboard the new Star Explorer, the first space ship powered by warp drive. You arrive at the selected planet. The first day, you see that you are in a clearing in a forest, and hear large animals moving about in the trees. But you know that you are safe, because you can hear chatter from the patrols, which are constantly going by. As long as you hear the chatter, everything is ok.

                        Best wishes, Hans


                        [Hans Dietrich Software]

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                        • E Erik Westermann

                          I know it happens to everyone - I just need to vent. I have a support person on my left, manager in an office, door open and constantly on speaker phone on the right. Behind me - a busy walkway. In front of me - a lot of conversations. In my head - lots of swearing, trying to remain reasonably calm while trying to solve really hard problems on a ridiculous schedule. Developers need to work among each other - you can't mix-up like this - they get all mixed up - literally! By the way, if anyone is going to the Stackoverflow Dev Days in Toronto[^] this Friday - I'll be there! I'm a sponsor of the conference (sponsoring the coffee breaks), so say hello if you are there.

                          Erik Westermann - ArtOfBabel.com - Systems Integration Magazine
                          Contact Erik for consulting, development, or content creation via erik [at] wWorkflow.net

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                          Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                          I have noise canceling headphones that work wonders. However, and you would be surprised at how well this works, asking the person, "Can you please shut your door when you are on Speakerphone?" It even works with bosses and high level executives (if done at the right time). Also, if the person who shuts the door as a lot more power than you say thanks a few days later to remind them, lest they forget.

                          Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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                            I have noise canceling headphones that work wonders. However, and you would be surprised at how well this works, asking the person, "Can you please shut your door when you are on Speakerphone?" It even works with bosses and high level executives (if done at the right time). Also, if the person who shuts the door as a lot more power than you say thanks a few days later to remind them, lest they forget.

                            Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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                            Erik Westermann
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                            Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                            ...and you would be surprised at how well this works...

                            I have walked up to the office and politely closed the door when the person was using the speakerphone, then later explained that it bothers all 25 people in the area. The funny/maddening/ironic part is when Mr. Speakerphone made another call using the speakerphone about an hour later - and still does it. I'm working on contract and have already been through various hoops. I was just venting. This is just one of those cases where the willingness to solve a problem is one-sided; the other side seems to believe that there's no problem. This is far better than another place I worked - I was stuck in an office with people doing something completely unrelated (different department altogether - imagine something along the lines of a developer working among a group of sales people, marketing staff, or similar - more....umm...<i>collaborative</i> type of people). Solid advice though.

                            Erik Westermann - ArtOfBabel.com - Systems Integration Magazine
                            Contact Erik for consulting, development, or content creation via erik [at] wWorkflow.net

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                              Not really evil, it's just the story you tell yourself. Imagine, for example: You are one of the first colonists chosen to be aboard the new Star Explorer, the first space ship powered by warp drive. You arrive at the selected planet. The first day, you see that you are in a clearing in a forest, and hear large animals moving about in the trees. But you know that you are safe, because you can hear chatter from the patrols, which are constantly going by. As long as you hear the chatter, everything is ok.

                              Best wishes, Hans


                              [Hans Dietrich Software]

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                              Erik Westermann
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                              I understand what you are saying - it is indeed a nice way to think about it. I just look forward to the time of day when most of the staff leave.

                              Erik Westermann - ArtOfBabel.com - Systems Integration Magazine
                              Contact Erik for consulting, development, or content creation via erik [at] wWorkflow.net

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                              • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                                I have noise canceling headphones that work wonders. However, and you would be surprised at how well this works, asking the person, "Can you please shut your door when you are on Speakerphone?" It even works with bosses and high level executives (if done at the right time). Also, if the person who shuts the door as a lot more power than you say thanks a few days later to remind them, lest they forget.

                                Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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                                Dan Neely
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                                Utterly futile if Mr. Speakerphone is living in a cube farm. It also doesn't work well if Mr. Speakerphone has a habit of shouting questions out to his secretary while in the middle of a speakerphone session.

                                The latest nation. Procrastination.

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                                  I know it happens to everyone - I just need to vent. I have a support person on my left, manager in an office, door open and constantly on speaker phone on the right. Behind me - a busy walkway. In front of me - a lot of conversations. In my head - lots of swearing, trying to remain reasonably calm while trying to solve really hard problems on a ridiculous schedule. Developers need to work among each other - you can't mix-up like this - they get all mixed up - literally! By the way, if anyone is going to the Stackoverflow Dev Days in Toronto[^] this Friday - I'll be there! I'm a sponsor of the conference (sponsoring the coffee breaks), so say hello if you are there.

                                  Erik Westermann - ArtOfBabel.com - Systems Integration Magazine
                                  Contact Erik for consulting, development, or content creation via erik [at] wWorkflow.net

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                                  Duncan Edwards Jones
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                                  The "manager with the phone on speaker" mode is either too lowly to have anything confidential told to him or too stupid to realise that he is breaching the confidentiality of the other party on the line. However he can be retrained with a recording of guitar amp feedback that you play really loud whenever he commits the offence.

                                  '--8<------------------------ Ex Datis: Duncan Jones Merrion Computing Ltd

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                                    I understand what you are saying - it is indeed a nice way to think about it. I just look forward to the time of day when most of the staff leave.

                                    Erik Westermann - ArtOfBabel.com - Systems Integration Magazine
                                    Contact Erik for consulting, development, or content creation via erik [at] wWorkflow.net

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                                    Hans Dietrich
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                                    Erik Westermann wrote:

                                    I just look forward to the time of day when most of the staff leave.

                                    I would get very scared if I couldn't hear the patrols. :)

                                    Best wishes, Hans


                                    [Hans Dietrich Software]

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                                      The "manager with the phone on speaker" mode is either too lowly to have anything confidential told to him or too stupid to realise that he is breaching the confidentiality of the other party on the line. However he can be retrained with a recording of guitar amp feedback that you play really loud whenever he commits the offence.

                                      '--8<------------------------ Ex Datis: Duncan Jones Merrion Computing Ltd

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                                      Dan Neely
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                                      Is a clip of this available online, or would I need to buy an amp to record it myself? I was looking for one a few days ago as a gag (a friend asked for feedback on his latest project) but struck out.

                                      The latest nation. Procrastination.

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                                        The "manager with the phone on speaker" mode is either too lowly to have anything confidential told to him or too stupid to realise that he is breaching the confidentiality of the other party on the line. However he can be retrained with a recording of guitar amp feedback that you play really loud whenever he commits the offence.

                                        '--8<------------------------ Ex Datis: Duncan Jones Merrion Computing Ltd

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                                        Erik Westermann
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                                        Duncan Edwards Jones wrote:

                                        ...to have anything confidential told to him....

                                        It's even better that he actually breaches his own confidentiality - he orders stuff using the speaker phone - so everyone knows his address, credit card number, date of birth and other interesting details. Many people even know his father's name and know that he's at his cottage this week :D I can only smile at this point. Thanks everyone for listening!

                                        Erik Westermann - ArtOfBabel.com - Systems Integration Magazine
                                        Contact Erik for consulting, development, or content creation via erik [at] wWorkflow.net

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                                          Duncan Edwards Jones wrote:

                                          ...to have anything confidential told to him....

                                          It's even better that he actually breaches his own confidentiality - he orders stuff using the speaker phone - so everyone knows his address, credit card number, date of birth and other interesting details. Many people even know his father's name and know that he's at his cottage this week :D I can only smile at this point. Thanks everyone for listening!

                                          Erik Westermann - ArtOfBabel.com - Systems Integration Magazine
                                          Contact Erik for consulting, development, or content creation via erik [at] wWorkflow.net

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                                          Dan Neely
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                                          You could pretend you're at defcon ( a hacking convention) and create a wall of sheep[^] for the office with the contents of unencrypted the spoken packets you've sniffed. :rolleyes:

                                          The latest nation. Procrastination.

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