Wack jobs or patriots?
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kmg365 wrote:
Thank you sir, a very good summary and am sorry I did not have the foresight to summarize. Quote Selected Text
Yet it's not at all a good summary. As seems to be so often the case in US politics much of the meaning is lost in an attempt to reduce something complex into a bit size morsel people will actually read.
I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me
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* Main * About * All * Testimonials * Articles * Videos * Donate * Join * Submit * State Groups * Resources * Store * FAQ * Contact March 3rd, 2009 Declaration Of Orders We Will Not Obey standyourground Orders We Will Not Obey “The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their Houses, and Farms, are to be pillaged and destroyed, and they consigned to a State of Wretchedness from which no human efforts will probably deliver them. The fate of unborn Millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this army” -- Gen. George Washington, to his troops before the battle of Long Island Such a time is near at hand again. The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this Army -- and this Marine Corps, This Air Force, This Navy and the National Guard and police units of these sovereign states. Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, peace officers, fire-fighters, and veterans who swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic … and meant it. We won’t “just follow orders.” Below is our declaration of orders we will NOT obey because we will consider them unconstitutional (and thus unlawful) and immoral violations of the natural rights of the people. Such orders would be acts of war against the American people by their own government, and thus acts of treason. We will not make war against our own people. We will not commit treason. We will defend the Republic. Declaration of Orders We Will NOT Obey Recognizing that we each swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and affirming that we are guardians of the Republic, of the principles in our Declaration of Independence, and of the rights of our people, we affirm and declare the following: 1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people. The attempt to disarm the people on April 19, 1775 was the spark of open conflict in the American Revolution. That vile attempt was an act of war, and the American people fought back in justified, righteous self-defense of their natural rights. Any such order today would also be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason. We will not make war on our own people, an
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Well, its good to have the long version too for those who can't access the site.
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* Main * About * All * Testimonials * Articles * Videos * Donate * Join * Submit * State Groups * Resources * Store * FAQ * Contact March 3rd, 2009 Declaration Of Orders We Will Not Obey standyourground Orders We Will Not Obey “The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their Houses, and Farms, are to be pillaged and destroyed, and they consigned to a State of Wretchedness from which no human efforts will probably deliver them. The fate of unborn Millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this army” -- Gen. George Washington, to his troops before the battle of Long Island Such a time is near at hand again. The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this Army -- and this Marine Corps, This Air Force, This Navy and the National Guard and police units of these sovereign states. Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, peace officers, fire-fighters, and veterans who swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic … and meant it. We won’t “just follow orders.” Below is our declaration of orders we will NOT obey because we will consider them unconstitutional (and thus unlawful) and immoral violations of the natural rights of the people. Such orders would be acts of war against the American people by their own government, and thus acts of treason. We will not make war against our own people. We will not commit treason. We will defend the Republic. Declaration of Orders We Will NOT Obey Recognizing that we each swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and affirming that we are guardians of the Republic, of the principles in our Declaration of Independence, and of the rights of our people, we affirm and declare the following: 1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people. The attempt to disarm the people on April 19, 1775 was the spark of open conflict in the American Revolution. That vile attempt was an act of war, and the American people fought back in justified, righteous self-defense of their natural rights. Any such order today would also be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason. We will not make war on our own people, an
I didn't read it all, I grabbed one at random. 3. We will NOT obey any order to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to trial by military tribunal. Two questions - locking up non US citizen indefinitely without trial is OK then ? The second is more important - this sounds impressive, but only because it implies that they are LIKELY to be asked to do this. I am almost certain they are not. 2. We will NOT obey any order to conduct warrantless searches of the American people, their homes, vehicles, papers, or effects -- such as warrantless house-to house searches for weapons or persons. Yep, they are all the same. A lot of hot air. No-one is asking them to do these things, and only the people drinking the Kool Aide think this is impressive.
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I didn't read it all, I grabbed one at random. 3. We will NOT obey any order to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to trial by military tribunal. Two questions - locking up non US citizen indefinitely without trial is OK then ? The second is more important - this sounds impressive, but only because it implies that they are LIKELY to be asked to do this. I am almost certain they are not. 2. We will NOT obey any order to conduct warrantless searches of the American people, their homes, vehicles, papers, or effects -- such as warrantless house-to house searches for weapons or persons. Yep, they are all the same. A lot of hot air. No-one is asking them to do these things, and only the people drinking the Kool Aide think this is impressive.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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kmg365 wrote:
Thank you sir, a very good summary and am sorry I did not have the foresight to summarize. Quote Selected Text
Yet it's not at all a good summary. As seems to be so often the case in US politics much of the meaning is lost in an attempt to reduce something complex into a bit size morsel people will actually read.
I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me
Josh Gray wrote:
Yet it's not at all a good summary. As seems to be so often the case in US politics much of the meaning is lost in an attempt to reduce something complex into a bit size morsel people
...and I wish you had access to web site. I don't know what's up with that? :confused: ---edit--- It is more troubling to me then the original subject of thread. Somewhere site is being blocked, perhaps by your gov, perhaps by ours, perhaps by original sites ISP, perhaps by site it's self. Why? Very Odd.
modified on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:22 AM
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Morality is not subjective and is not open to interpretation. I don't know where you got that from, but its wrong-headed, and so is your lack of understanding of liberty.
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Josh Gray wrote:
Yet it's not at all a good summary. As seems to be so often the case in US politics much of the meaning is lost in an attempt to reduce something complex into a bit size morsel people
...and I wish you had access to web site. I don't know what's up with that? :confused: ---edit--- It is more troubling to me then the original subject of thread. Somewhere site is being blocked, perhaps by your gov, perhaps by ours, perhaps by original sites ISP, perhaps by site it's self. Why? Very Odd.
modified on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:22 AM
kmg365 wrote:
Josh Gray wrote: Yet it's not at all a good summary. As seems to be so often the case in US politics much of the meaning is lost in an attempt to reduce something complex into a bit size morsel people ...and I wish you had access to web site. I don't know what's up with that? Confused ---edit--- It is more troubling to me then the original subject of thread. Somewhere site is being blocked, perhaps by your gov, perhaps by ours, perhaps by original sites ISP, perhaps by site it's self. Why? Very Odd.
You're confused. I can access the site, Damian cant. I doubt very much if anyone is blocking it. Ask yourself this, why would someone want to stop Australians from reading that site? How would someone block a specific facebook group? Take off the tin foil hat.
I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me
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Patriots!
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kmg365 wrote:
Josh Gray wrote: Yet it's not at all a good summary. As seems to be so often the case in US politics much of the meaning is lost in an attempt to reduce something complex into a bit size morsel people ...and I wish you had access to web site. I don't know what's up with that? Confused ---edit--- It is more troubling to me then the original subject of thread. Somewhere site is being blocked, perhaps by your gov, perhaps by ours, perhaps by original sites ISP, perhaps by site it's self. Why? Very Odd.
You're confused. I can access the site, Damian cant. I doubt very much if anyone is blocking it. Ask yourself this, why would someone want to stop Australians from reading that site? How would someone block a specific facebook group? Take off the tin foil hat.
I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me
Josh Gray wrote:
How would someone block a specific facebook group?
Its called computer software, it can do anything within the capabilities of the hardware. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_software[^] I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory to your feeble mind, but computer software is real.
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Josh Gray wrote:
How would someone block a specific facebook group?
Its called computer software, it can do anything within the capabilities of the hardware. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_software[^] I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory to your feeble mind, but computer software is real.
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Wack jobs
kmg365 wrote:
On Facebook, click.[^] 10k members. What say you?
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The American fascination with your constitution is something that outsiders like me will probably never understand. Similarly as an insider you'll probably struggle to see this in the light that I do. Hence my original comment. Two things in that web site stood out to me. The focus on religion and the use of the word immoral. Both are very subjective, open to interpretation and change at any time. Perhaps there is something in the fact CSS agrees with them.
I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me
Josh Gray wrote:
The American fascination with your constitution is something that outsiders like me will probably never understand.
The American constitution gave birth to the most free country on Earth. That's why it is so revered. It established the rule of law over the rule of man for the first time in the history of mankind. You think that's something you can't understand?
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Josh Gray wrote:
The American fascination with your constitution is something that outsiders like me will probably never understand.
The American constitution gave birth to the most free country on Earth. That's why it is so revered. It established the rule of law over the rule of man for the first time in the history of mankind. You think that's something you can't understand?
Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
The American constitution gave birth to the most free country on Earth. That's why it is so revered. It established the rule of law over the rule of man for the first time in the history of mankind. You think that's something you can't understand?
The message or the attitude?
I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
The American constitution gave birth to the most free country on Earth. That's why it is so revered. It established the rule of law over the rule of man for the first time in the history of mankind. You think that's something you can't understand?
The message or the attitude?
I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me
I'm not sure what you're asking. But to restate, I'm sure you can appreciate the fact that it was a history-making document.
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I'm not sure what you're asking. But to restate, I'm sure you can appreciate the fact that it was a history-making document.
Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
I'm not sure what you're asking.
I'm not surprised.
Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
But to restate, I'm sure you can appreciate the fact that it was a history-making document.
Sure but no more so than many others. Your statement that it is the most free country on earth is ridiculous. How would you measure the "freeness" of all countries to determine that? How do you define freedom? The Patriot Act :) Can you see why so much of the rest of the world laugh at your attitude to yourselves?
I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
I'm not sure what you're asking.
I'm not surprised.
Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
But to restate, I'm sure you can appreciate the fact that it was a history-making document.
Sure but no more so than many others. Your statement that it is the most free country on earth is ridiculous. How would you measure the "freeness" of all countries to determine that? How do you define freedom? The Patriot Act :) Can you see why so much of the rest of the world laugh at your attitude to yourselves?
I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me
Josh Gray wrote:
Can you see why so much of the rest of the world laugh at your attitude to yourselves?
No, but I can see that although I've been perfectly polite to you, you find it necessary to be offensive.
Josh Gray wrote:
The Patriot Act
People who revere our constitution were and are against the patriot act.
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Josh Gray wrote:
Can you see why so much of the rest of the world laugh at your attitude to yourselves?
No, but I can see that although I've been perfectly polite to you, you find it necessary to be offensive.
Josh Gray wrote:
The Patriot Act
People who revere our constitution were and are against the patriot act.
Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
No, but I can see that although I've been perfectly polite to you, you find it necessary to be offensive.
I'm sorry if you feel I've been offensive. Can you understand how claiming that your country is the most free implies that mine is less so and that could be taken as being offensive?
Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
People who revere our constitution were and are against the patriot act.
Yet it remains law in your country and you still claim to be the most free.
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