Outsourcing Developer's Job
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Has anyone been through a cycle or outsourcing at their company? UPS is in the process of outsourcing coding, unit testing and integration testing to India. They are starting with 10% of projects as pilot phase. For most of the developers on my project, that's the part of development that we enjoy. We put up with requirement, testing and design meetings and tasks, just so we get to write code. Just wandering what we have to look forward to, and if it is worth staying and waiting it out. One of our best developers has left already and looks like others are testing the water.
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Has anyone been through a cycle or outsourcing at their company? UPS is in the process of outsourcing coding, unit testing and integration testing to India. They are starting with 10% of projects as pilot phase. For most of the developers on my project, that's the part of development that we enjoy. We put up with requirement, testing and design meetings and tasks, just so we get to write code. Just wandering what we have to look forward to, and if it is worth staying and waiting it out. One of our best developers has left already and looks like others are testing the water.
I've had to deal with outsourced developers in India and it was an utter nightmare. UPS probably has enough money to fly over there, interview in person and hire decent developers, tho. In which case, I'd say run for it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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On the bright side, are you a good developer? Do you have good communication skills? Can you turn this into an opportunity to take a lead/management position. Your company needs people to manager the offshore groups technically and manegrial wise and that person may be you.
Yeah?? Every person I've seen take that position has burned at the stake because of the failed garbage that came back from off shore. Even in my current job, we had to rework every package that came back just to make it conform to a set of basic standards, and then we had to FIX them all.
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Dave Kreskowiak Microsoft MVP Visual Developer - Visual Basic
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Yeah?? Every person I've seen take that position has burned at the stake because of the failed garbage that came back from off shore. Even in my current job, we had to rework every package that came back just to make it conform to a set of basic standards, and then we had to FIX them all.
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Dave Kreskowiak Microsoft MVP Visual Developer - Visual Basic
2006, 2007, 2008
But no longer in 2009...There are some briliant programmers in India, if you dont believe search codeproject and you would see some great articles written by indian programmers in India. The fact that you know people that worked with some crappy developers doesnt make that a fact appliable to every situation. Please understand that I am not saying its an easy job. Working with people of different cultures is not walk in the park. But I speak from experience as I have seen successfull cases. Its really all about management.
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There are some briliant programmers in India, if you dont believe search codeproject and you would see some great articles written by indian programmers in India. The fact that you know people that worked with some crappy developers doesnt make that a fact appliable to every situation. Please understand that I am not saying its an easy job. Working with people of different cultures is not walk in the park. But I speak from experience as I have seen successfull cases. Its really all about management.
Bassam Saoud wrote:
There are some briliant programmers in India
Oh, I don't deny that. I've met a few and they do a fantastic job. But, Corporate America seems to think that these brilliant programmers, and other IT people, grow on trees out there.
Bassam Saoud wrote:
The fact that you know people that worked with some crappy developers doesnt make that a fact appliable to every situation
No, no, no. I didn't say that I know people who have worked with them. I said I worked with them! The number of crappy IT people FAR AND AWAY outnumbers the number of good ones.
Bassam Saoud wrote:
Its really all about management.
This is only true to a point. There's too many people out there trying to make a rupee by jumping on the outsourcing bandwagon. So, they hire as many contractors as they can hoping they can do the work that the contract company just won the bid for.
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I have worked with a number of companies that decided to outsource to India, and it has always been a disaster. 1) They are a whole world away, and if you to talk to them, you have to get up at 3 am. 2) If you don't spell out VERY CLEARLY exactly what you want, you won't get it. 3) When we did get results, they were not very good. We ended up reworking alot of the project 4) You better be prepared for a project management nightmare. In the end, the savings gained bu outsourcing is lost in rework and time lost to project managament. In my opinion, go work somewhere that still values quality work and the American worker.
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Kevin Marois wrote:
- If you don't spell out VERY CLEARLY exactly what you want, you won't get it.
Doesn't that happen often with every customer and development team?
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I've had to deal with outsourced developers in India and it was an utter nightmare. UPS probably has enough money to fly over there, interview in person and hire decent developers, tho. In which case, I'd say run for it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Unfortunately they contracted to hire the company, not any specific resources, so the contracting company is doing the hiring. We just get atempt to train them on application and business rules. Anyway, thanks for the forum. A lot of sarcastic remarks from the developers (I guess it's the same all over), but a lot of good info too.