Iranian cleric denounces dog owners
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Paul Oss wrote: Until of course they start flying airplanes into buildings in someone elses country to protest 'Western lifestyles'. Then we start playin' spanky-bottom. If I remember correctly, they (the iranians) never crashed any plane in any western countries. The US on the other hand shotdown their commericial passenger plane flying outside the US. Of course it just a "human error" all of us should forget.
Joker wrote: If I remember correctly, they (the iranians) never crashed any plane in any western countries. I never said they did. I was simply making a statement about the general concept of intervening in someone elses lifestyle. Joker wrote: The US on the other hand shotdown their commericial passenger plane flying outside the US. Of course it just a "human error" all of us should forget. I'm going to stay out of the never-ending spiral of 'moral equivalency' arguments here. Paul Oss
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Joker wrote: but I don't have the freedom to enjoy a dog-meat dish in the USA. The new McFido! :) Jeremy Falcon Imputek "Oh no there was a knife in that kitchen drawer and I cut myself - please remove the kitchen." - David Wulff
Jeremy Falcon wrote: The new McFido! Chihuahua McNuggets? :-) Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Paul Oss wrote: Until of course they start flying airplanes into buildings in someone elses country to protest 'Western lifestyles'. Then we start playin' spanky-bottom. If I remember correctly, they (the iranians) never crashed any plane in any western countries. The US on the other hand shotdown their commericial passenger plane flying outside the US. Of course it just a "human error" all of us should forget.
But they did invade US territory and take hostages. They held them for 444 days. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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Brit wrote: But owning a dog is cruel to who? I don't know how the iranians will answer this question, but off the top of my head: owning a dog is cruel to the millions of starving children. I don't really enjoy dog-meat. My point is, as I already said, different countries have different ways of living. There are plenty of cruelty in the USA, but people grew up here don't notice.
I don't hear a call for pig owners to be arrested. EDIT: And if I did, I would call that person SILLY too. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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Joker wrote: MacDonald and Burger King will never prosper there, I guess I have worked with some Indian contractors and when the Macdonalds in Bombay opened people used to get dressed up to eat there ! I don't know if they sold beefburgers though Elaine (cosmopolitan fluffy tigress) Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
Trollslayer wrote: I have worked with some Indian contractors and when the Macdonalds in Bombay opened people used to get dressed up to eat there ! I worked with an Indian programmer here in Atlanta who was very enamored of Western culture, and loved hamburgers. When his Mom in India found out, she gave him a hard time when he returned home for a visit, as I believe cows are considered sacred by Hindus since they were Krishna's pet (at least that's how he explained it to me). He justified his stance by explaining to her, "It's okay, Mom - these are Christian cows... Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Joker wrote: MacDonald and Burger King will never prosper there, I guess I have worked with some Indian contractors and when the Macdonalds in Bombay opened people used to get dressed up to eat there ! I don't know if they sold beefburgers though Elaine (cosmopolitan fluffy tigress) Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
Trollslayer wrote: I don't know if they sold beefburgers though No there are big signs in Macdonalds' in India saying "We don't serve any kind of beef". The mistakes made in this API make me realise that Microsoft has become big enough that it can shelter morons. If anyone working for me wrote anything this bad and tried to release it, I would kill them and display the body as a warning to the rest of the team. - Christian Graus about C# - GDI+
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What is the big deal? Different countries have different ways of living. Ok, people in Iran don't have the freedom to own a dog, but I don't have the freedom to enjoy a dog-meat dish in the USA. Did you see any beef sandwich sold in India (MacDonald and Burger King will never prosper there, I guess)?
Not quite the same thing. Humans and dogs have an almost symbiotic relationship that goes back several hundred thousand years. Pre- history pre-civilisation pre- damn near anything. Cattle , chickens, pigs, goats, etc.. have been historically a food item for most humans but with rare exception dogs were not raised as food. They were eaten at times by various civilisations but were not domesticated as a food animal. They have a particular attraction to humans not shared by any other animal. Theya re animal companions - they are helpers - they are special. Almost all other food restrictions are based on religion and as such are easily explained ( and generally stupid ) but the restriction on eating dog meat is almost as ingrained as that on cannibilism. Yea it happens but rarely. Richard When I reflect upon the number of disagreeable people who I know have gone to better world, I am moved to lead a different life. Mark Twain- Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar
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But they did invade US territory and take hostages. They held them for 444 days. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
Tim Smith wrote: But they did invade US territory and take hostages. They held them for 444 days. That is true. Do you consider it a more serious crime than assasinating another country's elected leader? Is it alright if the crime is done by a democratic country? I am not defending or attacking anyone, just want o point out some hypocrisy here.
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I don't hear a call for pig owners to be arrested. EDIT: And if I did, I would call that person SILLY too. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
What is your point? Do you mean it is silly to arrest either dog owners or pig owners? Do you not agree that it is silly to allow poeple to kill pigs for food but not allowing them to kill dogs for food (and cows)? I don't understand your logic, may be we don't have an argument after all. ;P
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Joker wrote: If I remember correctly, they (the iranians) never crashed any plane in any western countries. I never said they did. I was simply making a statement about the general concept of intervening in someone elses lifestyle. Joker wrote: The US on the other hand shotdown their commericial passenger plane flying outside the US. Of course it just a "human error" all of us should forget. I'm going to stay out of the never-ending spiral of 'moral equivalency' arguments here. Paul Oss
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Once againt proving that the US doesn't corner the market on morons. :laugh: Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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Not quite the same thing. Humans and dogs have an almost symbiotic relationship that goes back several hundred thousand years. Pre- history pre-civilisation pre- damn near anything. Cattle , chickens, pigs, goats, etc.. have been historically a food item for most humans but with rare exception dogs were not raised as food. They were eaten at times by various civilisations but were not domesticated as a food animal. They have a particular attraction to humans not shared by any other animal. Theya re animal companions - they are helpers - they are special. Almost all other food restrictions are based on religion and as such are easily explained ( and generally stupid ) but the restriction on eating dog meat is almost as ingrained as that on cannibilism. Yea it happens but rarely. Richard When I reflect upon the number of disagreeable people who I know have gone to better world, I am moved to lead a different life. Mark Twain- Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar
Richard Stringer wrote: Not quite the same thing. Humans and dogs have an almost symbiotic relationship that goes back several hundred thousand years. What you said are absolutely true if you are restricting your "civilisations" to those of western countries only. People in the west treat dogs as their family members, but you call a person a dog in another country (say, China), it might be the biggest insult. I am not really a dog-eater, just using this to make a point.
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Trollslayer wrote: I have worked with some Indian contractors and when the Macdonalds in Bombay opened people used to get dressed up to eat there ! I worked with an Indian programmer here in Atlanta who was very enamored of Western culture, and loved hamburgers. When his Mom in India found out, she gave him a hard time when he returned home for a visit, as I believe cows are considered sacred by Hindus since they were Krishna's pet (at least that's how he explained it to me). He justified his stance by explaining to her, "It's okay, Mom - these are Christian cows... Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
Christopher Duncan wrote: "It's okay, Mom - these are Christian cows... :-D Something to think about next time i'm at Mickey-D's...
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And on the pedestal, these words appear: "My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings, Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains.
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Richard Stringer wrote: Not quite the same thing. Humans and dogs have an almost symbiotic relationship that goes back several hundred thousand years. What you said are absolutely true if you are restricting your "civilisations" to those of western countries only. People in the west treat dogs as their family members, but you call a person a dog in another country (say, China), it might be the biggest insult. I am not really a dog-eater, just using this to make a point.
Joker wrote: but you call a person a dog in another country (say, China), it might be the biggest insult. Well, to be honest, it's not exactly considered a polite complement here either...
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And on the pedestal, these words appear: "My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings, Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains.
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Paul Oss wrote: Until of course they start flying airplanes into buildings in someone elses country to protest 'Western lifestyles'. Then we start playin' spanky-bottom. If I remember correctly, they (the iranians) never crashed any plane in any western countries. The US on the other hand shotdown their commericial passenger plane flying outside the US. Of course it just a "human error" all of us should forget.
Joker wrote: The US on the other hand shotdown their commericial passenger plane flying outside the US. Of course it just a "human error" all of us should forget. Before this one gets out of hand, a 'smart' radar system told the ships captain that an ascending civilian Airbus was a descending military fighter aircraft. He was in a no win situation there, this wasn't a 'fire at them anyway' situation. I would hate to have to make that decision. Elaine Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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What is the big deal? Different countries have different ways of living. Ok, people in Iran don't have the freedom to own a dog, but I don't have the freedom to enjoy a dog-meat dish in the USA. Did you see any beef sandwich sold in India (MacDonald and Burger King will never prosper there, I guess)?
Joker wrote: I don't have the freedom to enjoy a dog-meat dish in the USA Just try the "special of the day" at some of the seedier establishments in your area.
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Christopher Duncan wrote: "It's okay, Mom - these are Christian cows... :-D Something to think about next time i'm at Mickey-D's...
Shog9 ------
And on the pedestal, these words appear: "My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings, Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains.
Shog9 wrote: Something to think about next time i'm at Mickey-D's... Fortunately, I have no religious prejudices. I'm an equal opportunity carnivore. :-D Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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What? You thought this was an article from the Onion? Nope. It's in the BBC today. :omg: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2326357.stm[^] But, there is a similar story in the Onion (MP3 format). Islamic Fundamentalists Condemn Casual Day [^] Maybe this Muslim cleric is the reincarnation of Falwell. ------------------------------------------ "Isn't it funny how people say they'll never grow up to be their parents, then one day they look in the mirror and they're moving aircraft carriers into the Gulf region?" - The Onion
He is only against dogs with legs ? Regardz Colin J Davies
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You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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What is the big deal? Different countries have different ways of living. Ok, people in Iran don't have the freedom to own a dog, but I don't have the freedom to enjoy a dog-meat dish in the USA. Did you see any beef sandwich sold in India (MacDonald and Burger King will never prosper there, I guess)?
When told that some people consider dogs more trustworthy than men, one Korean man said: "That's just evolution," he said. "Trust is a trick that dogs play. They don't want you to know how delicious they are." http://archive.salon.com/wlust/feature/1998/10/28feature.html[^] -c
Green's Law of Debate: Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about.
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When told that some people consider dogs more trustworthy than men, one Korean man said: "That's just evolution," he said. "Trust is a trick that dogs play. They don't want you to know how delicious they are." http://archive.salon.com/wlust/feature/1998/10/28feature.html[^] -c
Green's Law of Debate: Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about.