anti-whaling boat Ady Gil cut in half by Japanese ship
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Well but there are a lot of other species you can eat and that are not in danger of extinction.
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Mark Wallace wrote:
I assume that they're sponsored to play games in fun boats year long by grannies and children, who give their precious pennies to protect pretty whales
Cynical and probably correct, but regardless, is trying to prevent endangered animals from being poached to extinction (within a marine sanctuary) really such a bad cause?
Mark Wallace wrote:
The most idiotic of cretins would know that the only way to stop whaling is by diplomacy and negotiation
Uh-huh, they've been trying diplomacy since 1986[^] - meaning that it's been around 24 years with no results; sounds like it's time to try something else.
Russ-T wrote:
Mark Wallace wrote:The most idiotic of cretins would know that the only way to stop whaling is by diplomacy and negotiation Uh-huh, they've been trying diplomacy since 1986[^] - meaning that it's been around 24 years with no results; sounds like it's time to try something else.
Something else diplomatic, or negotiate with something else, yes. Playing stupid pirate games that endanger the lives and livelihoods of honest working men with families is, and never should be, an option.
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Well but there are a lot of other species you can eat and that are not in danger of extinction.
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Dario Solera wrote:
Well but there are a lot of other species you can eat and that are not in danger of extinction.
Absolutely, and that's one of the reasons I would never eat whale. But I wouldn't drive a Humvee, either -- or any other car, for that matter. Let he who is without sin, and all that. Make a deal with them: Offer to give up all the things you do that are bad for the environment/ecology/other species if one of them stops eating whales. e.g. use one (1) monitor only (and a small one, at that), switch off all peripherals every minute when they are not being used, etc. It's easy to be saintly about other people's behaviour.
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... but they should really get a clue on how to drive a boat. Technically, it's the Ady Gil that hit the Japanese ship, which certainly cannot make turns rapidly because it's huge. Besides, do you Japanese guys really, absolutely need to eat whales?
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Dario Solera wrote:
Besides, do you Japanese guys really, absolutely need to eat whales?
Yes, it is sad, but think of the alternative. They would have to kill 1000's more dolphins/seals/rhino/elephant/etc for the same quantity.
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Russ-T wrote:
Mark Wallace wrote:The most idiotic of cretins would know that the only way to stop whaling is by diplomacy and negotiation Uh-huh, they've been trying diplomacy since 1986[^] - meaning that it's been around 24 years with no results; sounds like it's time to try something else.
Something else diplomatic, or negotiate with something else, yes. Playing stupid pirate games that endanger the lives and livelihoods of honest working men with families is, and never should be, an option.
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Mark Wallace wrote:
Something else diplomatic, or negotiate with something else, yes.
If there's something that would actually work, then absolutely yes. If you've got any bright ideas then let's hear them.
Mark Wallace wrote:
Playing stupid pirate games that endanger the lives and livelihoods of honest working men with families is, and never should be, an option.
I agree with you up until a point: vigilantism is a bad thing in this case and it's foolish to be playing reckless cat & mouse games that endanger people's lives. However, as for "endangering livelihoods", tough luck I say. The world changes constantly and the work force needs to change with it - that's just part of life. There's no longer any market for typewriters, so they stopped getting produced and the people making had to reskill. Similarly there's barely a market for whale meat, so why can't your "honest working men with families" go and do something different? Something useful.
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I guess I'm glad nobody was hurt, but shouldn't you expect this from people you say have no respect for life and then steer ride right in front of? [anti-whaling-boat-Ady-Gil-cut-in-half-by-Japanese-ship]
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Dario Solera wrote:
Besides, do you Japanese guys really, absolutely need to eat whales?
Humans kill to eat. There's no getting around that unpleasant fact. The only choice we have is: Live with it or starve.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Mark Wallace wrote:The only choice we have is: Live with it or starve. With all due respect, that's rubbish.
I hate to tell you this, but rock cakes aren't really made of rocks.
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I'm sure I'm not the only person on code project who fails to starve despite not eating meat.
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I guess I'm glad nobody was hurt, but shouldn't you expect this from people you say have no respect for life and then steer ride right in front of? [anti-whaling-boat-Ady-Gil-cut-in-half-by-Japanese-ship]
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I resent that.
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I guess I'm glad nobody was hurt, but shouldn't you expect this from people you say have no respect for life and then steer ride right in front of? [anti-whaling-boat-Ady-Gil-cut-in-half-by-Japanese-ship]
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Bloody Paul Watson character causing trouble again.
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I resent that.
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Looks like someone decided to 1 vote you. I think that the Japanese are being incredibly obtuse about all of this. Their cultural right to eat whale is not that much older than any American's cultural right to drop nukes on Japan. Either way, there is nothing wrong with rejecting what our ancestors did in ignorance. That's why my 13 yo daughter is not married and pregnant. However, it's clear that the green movement is at least as much focused on profit as on saving the earth, and I'd never take any piece of green propaganda at face value, or assume they did not help to engineer the situation.
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I'm sure I'm not the only person on code project who fails to starve despite not eating meat.
Russell Jones wrote:
I'm sure I'm not the only person on code project who fails to starve despite not eating meat.
Who said anything about meat? Humans kill to eat. Do you think that plants are not living creatures? I've got news for you, if you do. Why is it that vegetarians seem to think that they have a God-given right to decide which life forms it is OK to kill? Who set this priority system, and based on what? Life is life. Humans kill to eat.
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Whaling is heavily subsidised, it's a matter of face for the politicians. Also a lot of the meat gets thrown away because in practice people would rather eat big Macs.
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Trollslayer wrote:
Also a lot of the meat gets thrown away because in practice people would rather eat big Macs.
I'm having a hard time finding any person or group implied in that statement that I wouldn't consider insane.
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Russell Jones wrote:
I'm sure I'm not the only person on code project who fails to starve despite not eating meat.
Who said anything about meat? Humans kill to eat. Do you think that plants are not living creatures? I've got news for you, if you do. Why is it that vegetarians seem to think that they have a God-given right to decide which life forms it is OK to kill? Who set this priority system, and based on what? Life is life. Humans kill to eat.
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Fair point about plants living too. There are people who will only eat fruits that have already fallen from the tree and I believe they sow the seeds again to ensure that the cycle of life continues. I couldn't give 2 shits what people decide to kill or eat but would rather eat vegetables than hunks of dismembered corpse so I tend to stick to veggie foods.
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Mark Wallace wrote:
Something else diplomatic, or negotiate with something else, yes.
If there's something that would actually work, then absolutely yes. If you've got any bright ideas then let's hear them.
Mark Wallace wrote:
Playing stupid pirate games that endanger the lives and livelihoods of honest working men with families is, and never should be, an option.
I agree with you up until a point: vigilantism is a bad thing in this case and it's foolish to be playing reckless cat & mouse games that endanger people's lives. However, as for "endangering livelihoods", tough luck I say. The world changes constantly and the work force needs to change with it - that's just part of life. There's no longer any market for typewriters, so they stopped getting produced and the people making had to reskill. Similarly there's barely a market for whale meat, so why can't your "honest working men with families" go and do something different? Something useful.
Russ-T wrote:
so why can't your "honest working men with families" go and do something different? Something useful.
As far as whalemeat lovers are concerned, they are doing something useful. Trouble is that it's as much of a belief-system thing as anything; they believe it is not wrong to eat whale. Are they right? I dunno. It's not my place to decide what's right or wrong. I eat other animals and fish; to your average veggie, that's as much of a crime. Carrots believe it's a crime to eat carrots, too -- the whole plant is eaten or destroyed, not just the seeds/fruits. Isn't that just as murderous? I don't eat whale, tiger, horse, or dog because I believe it is wrong to do so, but I don't even try to impose my beliefs on others, and would certainly never endanger the lives or livelihoods of others because my beliefs differ from theirs.
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Fair point about plants living too. There are people who will only eat fruits that have already fallen from the tree and I believe they sow the seeds again to ensure that the cycle of life continues. I couldn't give 2 shits what people decide to kill or eat but would rather eat vegetables than hunks of dismembered corpse so I tend to stick to veggie foods.
Russell Jones wrote:
I couldn't give 2 shits what people decide to kill or eat but would rather eat vegetables than hunks of dismembered corpse so I tend to stick to veggie foods.
Fair go. It's easy to see why people would think it's disgusting to eat meat, and choose not to -- but I see the whole eating/digestion process as being incredibly disgusting, so I've drawn my line in a different place.
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Russ-T wrote:
so why can't your "honest working men with families" go and do something different? Something useful.
As far as whalemeat lovers are concerned, they are doing something useful. Trouble is that it's as much of a belief-system thing as anything; they believe it is not wrong to eat whale. Are they right? I dunno. It's not my place to decide what's right or wrong. I eat other animals and fish; to your average veggie, that's as much of a crime. Carrots believe it's a crime to eat carrots, too -- the whole plant is eaten or destroyed, not just the seeds/fruits. Isn't that just as murderous? I don't eat whale, tiger, horse, or dog because I believe it is wrong to do so, but I don't even try to impose my beliefs on others, and would certainly never endanger the lives or livelihoods of others because my beliefs differ from theirs.
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Mark Wallace wrote:
As far as whalemeat lovers are concerned, they are doing something useful. Trouble is that it's as much of a belief-system thing as anything; they believe it is not wrong to eat whale.
It wouldn't bother me so much if they were actually eating all the meat - you're right, people need to eat. There's a huge amount of it that is just getting wasted - either discarded or turned into pet mince. Killing something that you're not going to eat is wrong - it's a waste.
Mark Wallace wrote:
Carrots believe it's a crime to eat carrots, too
Wow - sentient carrots? :rolleyes: Now you're just being silly.
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Mark Wallace wrote:
As far as whalemeat lovers are concerned, they are doing something useful. Trouble is that it's as much of a belief-system thing as anything; they believe it is not wrong to eat whale.
It wouldn't bother me so much if they were actually eating all the meat - you're right, people need to eat. There's a huge amount of it that is just getting wasted - either discarded or turned into pet mince. Killing something that you're not going to eat is wrong - it's a waste.
Mark Wallace wrote:
Carrots believe it's a crime to eat carrots, too
Wow - sentient carrots? :rolleyes: Now you're just being silly.
Russ-T wrote:
Mark Wallace wrote:Carrots believe it's a crime to eat carrots, too Wow - sentient carrots? Now you're just being silly.
It's life, Jim, as we know it. It's only the human belief system that sets humans as more important than carrots. I doubt that anything else thinks that humans are the most important things in the universe. It only seems silly to us that carrots might have some importance because we're so over-inflated with our delusions of self-importance.
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