Bored with Tech [modified]
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I wonder, is the correct definition:
class Dolt : Manager {
...
}or
class Manager : Dolt {
...
}
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
That won't compile, because you obviously haven't seen the preprocessor macro:
#define Manager Dolt
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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Is that because you're also bored with the tech side, or because of frustrations with people? Thankfully I don't have many of the latter issues, work is really good in that aspect.
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Its hard to be bored with the Tech side. Problem is, in business software, there really isn't anything I would call new technology other than tools that make non-coders marginal coders.
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I'm p'ed with the later and still enjoy the former.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Yeah, well I can understand the frustration with the latter, but that pretty much just comes with any kind of work - there's always something lacking or frustrating there.
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Its hard to be bored with the Tech side. Problem is, in business software, there really isn't anything I would call new technology other than tools that make non-coders marginal coders.
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Its hard to be bored with the Tech side.
That's where I'm struggling. It just doesn't seem like there's much of anything interesting happening. Can you point to some tech things that have struck your interest?
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Has anyone else run into this? If so, what got you over the "hump", so to speak?
I know exactly the feeling. Get into game programming man, or you can just always buy a canoe.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
can just always buy a canoe
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Has anyone else gotten really disillusioned with programming recently? In the last year or so I've gotten really bored with it, it seems that much of what's considered "new" in the last 5-8 years is just rehashed stuff, and it's become really hard to work up much enthusiasm to spend extra time on it. When I started back in 1995, the industry, or at least the little that I was aware of, seemed much more dynamic. Now it just feels stagnant, and most of the things that I do find myself interested in seem like dead end technology. Many of the things that have become popular, like web "programming", just make me cringe. Part of this, I think, is that having gone through the process of learning multiple frameworks, multiple languages on multiple operating systems, using a variety of different toolchains, it all starts to become just "more of the same". So there's not that much "new" to learn in something like WPF, for example. It's just more of the same thing, with a few twists here and there, but it's not that much of a stretch anymore. Another issue is the way it's reported on in both the general media (say a magazine like Time) or even in tech specialist sites (excluding CP of course!). The willingness of any of these places to ask even the simplest of questions regarding "new" or "innovative" technology is nothing short of astonishing. Stuff I've seen reporting on is done in such an incredibly shallow, and frequently incorrect, manner that it's just depressing in the extreme. Has anyone else run into this? If so, what got you over the "hump", so to speak?
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Seems like when a new platform comes out all of the "apps" or development takes a step back 3 years. Back in the early 90's I was a cd rom developer. Mostly CBT (Authorware) and educational software for kids/schools (Director). Lots of animation and problems solving. Low level crap like print drivers and text to speech stuff. It was fun. Then there was the internet, cd rom dev dried up and everyone wanted a web page. So now I am a glorified text formatter a pasteup artist. :doh: Then Shockwave emerged and the Director stuff came back but with limitations due to the browser sandbox. So now I am redoing all of the crap I did for all of the school software as mini Schlockwave modules. Learning Perl so I can save data to a database on the web server. :omg: Then I get tasked to learn ColdFusion and I am now a text formatter again storing crap in databases (MS Access, SQL Server, Oracle). Then Flash came out and I am redoing the Schlockwave games but using CF to jam the data (high scores) into an Oracle database instead of using Perl to write it to a flat file. :wtf: I hate Flash so now I am a ColdFusion/Oracle developer writing document tracking software in an industrial facility (the Navy :^) ) and I have just been tasked to "learn" Sharepoint so it can track the damn spreadsheets instead of my CF app. X| I want to open a BBQ restaurant with a nice little stage for live hillbilly music! :suss:
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That won't compile, because you obviously haven't seen the preprocessor macro:
#define Manager Dolt
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Has anyone else run into this? If so, what got you over the "hump", so to speak?
I know exactly the feeling. Get into game programming man, or you can just always buy a canoe.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Get into game programming man, or you can just always buy a canoe.
Yeah, doing game programming on a canoe is the solution. ;)
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Has anyone else gotten really disillusioned with programming recently? In the last year or so I've gotten really bored with it, it seems that much of what's considered "new" in the last 5-8 years is just rehashed stuff, and it's become really hard to work up much enthusiasm to spend extra time on it. When I started back in 1995, the industry, or at least the little that I was aware of, seemed much more dynamic. Now it just feels stagnant, and most of the things that I do find myself interested in seem like dead end technology. Many of the things that have become popular, like web "programming", just make me cringe. Part of this, I think, is that having gone through the process of learning multiple frameworks, multiple languages on multiple operating systems, using a variety of different toolchains, it all starts to become just "more of the same". So there's not that much "new" to learn in something like WPF, for example. It's just more of the same thing, with a few twists here and there, but it's not that much of a stretch anymore. Another issue is the way it's reported on in both the general media (say a magazine like Time) or even in tech specialist sites (excluding CP of course!). The willingness of any of these places to ask even the simplest of questions regarding "new" or "innovative" technology is nothing short of astonishing. Stuff I've seen reporting on is done in such an incredibly shallow, and frequently incorrect, manner that it's just depressing in the extreme. Has anyone else run into this? If so, what got you over the "hump", so to speak?
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I would have to whole heartedly agree that much of what is "new" today is a re-hash of yesteryear. Allot of the business-centric tech is, well, boring. However, there really is some truly new stuff out there. Most of it is "incrementally new", not revolutionary. Take wireless networking and wireless communications. While the low-level ideas are not new, thanks to the continuous progress of hardware, things are getting smaller and more powerful which is opening new possibilities. Mobile technologies that were dreams 20 years ago are realities now. Touch capabilities while far from new, are much better today, so much so that new opportunities are emerging. General human input devices beyond keyboards, mice, touch screens and even speech are finally becoming realities. 3d presentation of information is finally starting to come around. (I think 3d has a very long way to go, but there's a technology I wouldn't mind riding along with.) Gaming technology and immersive environments that could not even be imagined 20 years ago are starting to become possible. Robotics, wow, robotics is moving ahead at a tremendous pace. That's just to name a few areas of software-related technology, there are many, many more exciting "new" technologies and opportunities out there. Some promises from the past like artificial intelligence have not developed as many would have hoped. I think we are coming around to the enormous difficulties and challenges with this concept. Even so, there are many bi-products of AI that are useful and mainstream today. Textual analysis used by search engines and other systems is a distant bi-product of AI research. Allot of the medical scanning systems incorporate bi-products of AI to accomplish the processing feats that they need to. For me, I find allot of doldrums in typical day-to-day business software. While the code is new, the ideas aren't and it is rarely exciting (except when given unreasonable deadlines). But, it pays the bills and enables me to do other things that interest me much more. I've more-or-less given up on main stream media, both general media like CNN/FoxNews/MSN/whatever and tech-centric news like wired, MSDN (what a joke), even long-trusted magazine sources. The quality of reporting has indeed declined, so much so as to render much of it useless. So, you asked what I do to get over the hump. For me, I have tried to take my passion for software development and turn it in directions that are new and interesting. In my spare time, I am developing a mobile
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Has anyone else gotten really disillusioned with programming recently? In the last year or so I've gotten really bored with it, it seems that much of what's considered "new" in the last 5-8 years is just rehashed stuff, and it's become really hard to work up much enthusiasm to spend extra time on it. When I started back in 1995, the industry, or at least the little that I was aware of, seemed much more dynamic. Now it just feels stagnant, and most of the things that I do find myself interested in seem like dead end technology. Many of the things that have become popular, like web "programming", just make me cringe. Part of this, I think, is that having gone through the process of learning multiple frameworks, multiple languages on multiple operating systems, using a variety of different toolchains, it all starts to become just "more of the same". So there's not that much "new" to learn in something like WPF, for example. It's just more of the same thing, with a few twists here and there, but it's not that much of a stretch anymore. Another issue is the way it's reported on in both the general media (say a magazine like Time) or even in tech specialist sites (excluding CP of course!). The willingness of any of these places to ask even the simplest of questions regarding "new" or "innovative" technology is nothing short of astonishing. Stuff I've seen reporting on is done in such an incredibly shallow, and frequently incorrect, manner that it's just depressing in the extreme. Has anyone else run into this? If so, what got you over the "hump", so to speak?
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Hi Jim I think there are two major types of developers, those that are in love with the tech itself and those that are in love with the end results that can be obtained regardless of the tech. I started in the first category back in the day but over the decades I've firmly moved into the second camp and now I really enjoy crafting the end result and making it as perfect as possible for the end users. I suspect it's a natural progression for developers who do this long enough but I might be wrong. I can't imagine very seasoned developers really getting too excited about tech they've seen come and go so many times as I have. These days I really don't get excited about any new tech at all because as you say it's all a rehash and despite seemingly endless new offerings there really is nothing new under the sun. If you move your focus to the end users and the end result and consider the tech just a means to an end that might work for you. Otherwise, get the hell out of it, there's simply nothing to be gained for anyone pursuing something you don't absolutely love doing every day.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Has anyone else run into this? If so, what got you over the "hump", so to speak?
I know exactly the feeling. Get into game programming man, or you can just always buy a canoe.
Jeremy Falcon
And I thought it's just me who always thinks of buying a canoe to row off to some remote island forever. It's a sad thought, but somehow relaxing. The thought particularly reigns the mind when the client/manager asks me to add "just this one button that will do [insert gibberish here] upon clicking".
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Get into game programming man, or you can just always buy a canoe.
Yeah, doing game programming on a canoe is the solution. ;)
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Xiangyang Liu 刘向阳 wrote:
Yeah, doing game programming on a canoe is the solution.
:-D Can't knock it until you try it.
Jeremy Falcon
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Has anyone else gotten really disillusioned with programming recently? In the last year or so I've gotten really bored with it, it seems that much of what's considered "new" in the last 5-8 years is just rehashed stuff, and it's become really hard to work up much enthusiasm to spend extra time on it. When I started back in 1995, the industry, or at least the little that I was aware of, seemed much more dynamic. Now it just feels stagnant, and most of the things that I do find myself interested in seem like dead end technology. Many of the things that have become popular, like web "programming", just make me cringe. Part of this, I think, is that having gone through the process of learning multiple frameworks, multiple languages on multiple operating systems, using a variety of different toolchains, it all starts to become just "more of the same". So there's not that much "new" to learn in something like WPF, for example. It's just more of the same thing, with a few twists here and there, but it's not that much of a stretch anymore. Another issue is the way it's reported on in both the general media (say a magazine like Time) or even in tech specialist sites (excluding CP of course!). The willingness of any of these places to ask even the simplest of questions regarding "new" or "innovative" technology is nothing short of astonishing. Stuff I've seen reporting on is done in such an incredibly shallow, and frequently incorrect, manner that it's just depressing in the extreme. Has anyone else run into this? If so, what got you over the "hump", so to speak?
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I am not bored with programming. True, the "new" technologies are really more of the same, but that's really nothing new (pun intended). In fact, I have re-discovered the beauty of simplicity and am trying to get to the basics as much as possible. That means less OOP, less frameworks, less design patterns, less fancy IDEs, and less abstraction in general. Just making simple functions and modules that are readable, well structured, robust and perform well is chalenging enough to keep me interested.
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Seems like when a new platform comes out all of the "apps" or development takes a step back 3 years. Back in the early 90's I was a cd rom developer. Mostly CBT (Authorware) and educational software for kids/schools (Director). Lots of animation and problems solving. Low level crap like print drivers and text to speech stuff. It was fun. Then there was the internet, cd rom dev dried up and everyone wanted a web page. So now I am a glorified text formatter a pasteup artist. :doh: Then Shockwave emerged and the Director stuff came back but with limitations due to the browser sandbox. So now I am redoing all of the crap I did for all of the school software as mini Schlockwave modules. Learning Perl so I can save data to a database on the web server. :omg: Then I get tasked to learn ColdFusion and I am now a text formatter again storing crap in databases (MS Access, SQL Server, Oracle). Then Flash came out and I am redoing the Schlockwave games but using CF to jam the data (high scores) into an Oracle database instead of using Perl to write it to a flat file. :wtf: I hate Flash so now I am a ColdFusion/Oracle developer writing document tracking software in an industrial facility (the Navy :^) ) and I have just been tasked to "learn" Sharepoint so it can track the damn spreadsheets instead of my CF app. X| I want to open a BBQ restaurant with a nice little stage for live hillbilly music! :suss:
Joe Simes wrote:
and I have just been tasked to "learn" Sharepoint so it can track the damn spreadsheets instead of my CF app
Wow using sharepoint is often a wonderful experience. Programming Sharepoint is a frigging nightmare. 2010 looks promising, but programming with the existing versions is god awful. I have to remote desktop to windows server OS just to code basic stuff. And there are so many limitations / gotchas that I can't stand it. My boss loves sharepoint and frankly I like it to. But I HATE programming it. Todd Bleeker who wrote the programming book and teaches the Mindsharp class (probably the only non trivial class available) is the only person in the world who actually enjoys that crap. Good luck...
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Hi Jim I think there are two major types of developers, those that are in love with the tech itself and those that are in love with the end results that can be obtained regardless of the tech. I started in the first category back in the day but over the decades I've firmly moved into the second camp and now I really enjoy crafting the end result and making it as perfect as possible for the end users. I suspect it's a natural progression for developers who do this long enough but I might be wrong. I can't imagine very seasoned developers really getting too excited about tech they've seen come and go so many times as I have. These days I really don't get excited about any new tech at all because as you say it's all a rehash and despite seemingly endless new offerings there really is nothing new under the sun. If you move your focus to the end users and the end result and consider the tech just a means to an end that might work for you. Otherwise, get the hell out of it, there's simply nothing to be gained for anyone pursuing something you don't absolutely love doing every day.
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John C wrote:
Otherwise, get the hell out of it, there's simply nothing to be gained for anyone pursuing something you don't absolutely love doing every day.
Are you kidding me... Most people don't like there jobs. But being a software developer is better than about 80% of jobs out there. You don't have to love job, especially in this job market. Most people would be happy with something that pays decent and is tolerable.
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Joe Simes wrote:
and I have just been tasked to "learn" Sharepoint so it can track the damn spreadsheets instead of my CF app
Wow using sharepoint is often a wonderful experience. Programming Sharepoint is a frigging nightmare. 2010 looks promising, but programming with the existing versions is god awful. I have to remote desktop to windows server OS just to code basic stuff. And there are so many limitations / gotchas that I can't stand it. My boss loves sharepoint and frankly I like it to. But I HATE programming it. Todd Bleeker who wrote the programming book and teaches the Mindsharp class (probably the only non trivial class available) is the only person in the world who actually enjoys that crap. Good luck...
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:(( First meeting tomorrow with three pointy haired managers who think SharePoint is the cat's a$$. They don't even know what SharePoint is but they latched onto it 'cause someone said it was cool. I gave them an estimate of 6 months to fully develop the app they are looking for in ColdFusion/Oracle a platform I am familiar with. They took my estimate and sent it to the higher-ups but changed it to say we will develop it in SharePoint and it will only take 3 months instead of 6! :wtf: I am not a .NET/C# developer! You want pulled pork, ribs or brisket? :)
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Has anyone else gotten really disillusioned with programming recently? In the last year or so I've gotten really bored with it, it seems that much of what's considered "new" in the last 5-8 years is just rehashed stuff, and it's become really hard to work up much enthusiasm to spend extra time on it. When I started back in 1995, the industry, or at least the little that I was aware of, seemed much more dynamic. Now it just feels stagnant, and most of the things that I do find myself interested in seem like dead end technology. Many of the things that have become popular, like web "programming", just make me cringe. Part of this, I think, is that having gone through the process of learning multiple frameworks, multiple languages on multiple operating systems, using a variety of different toolchains, it all starts to become just "more of the same". So there's not that much "new" to learn in something like WPF, for example. It's just more of the same thing, with a few twists here and there, but it's not that much of a stretch anymore. Another issue is the way it's reported on in both the general media (say a magazine like Time) or even in tech specialist sites (excluding CP of course!). The willingness of any of these places to ask even the simplest of questions regarding "new" or "innovative" technology is nothing short of astonishing. Stuff I've seen reporting on is done in such an incredibly shallow, and frequently incorrect, manner that it's just depressing in the extreme. Has anyone else run into this? If so, what got you over the "hump", so to speak?
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Are you really bored with the technology, or are you bored with the problem domain where you apply the technology? I tend to flip-flop between the two. When I'm bored with the technology, something's going on it my problem domain that's interesting. When I'm bored with the domain (which is the case as the moment), I'm using new technology (C#, .NET, and WPF).
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Has anyone else gotten really disillusioned with programming recently? In the last year or so I've gotten really bored with it, it seems that much of what's considered "new" in the last 5-8 years is just rehashed stuff, and it's become really hard to work up much enthusiasm to spend extra time on it. When I started back in 1995, the industry, or at least the little that I was aware of, seemed much more dynamic. Now it just feels stagnant, and most of the things that I do find myself interested in seem like dead end technology. Many of the things that have become popular, like web "programming", just make me cringe. Part of this, I think, is that having gone through the process of learning multiple frameworks, multiple languages on multiple operating systems, using a variety of different toolchains, it all starts to become just "more of the same". So there's not that much "new" to learn in something like WPF, for example. It's just more of the same thing, with a few twists here and there, but it's not that much of a stretch anymore. Another issue is the way it's reported on in both the general media (say a magazine like Time) or even in tech specialist sites (excluding CP of course!). The willingness of any of these places to ask even the simplest of questions regarding "new" or "innovative" technology is nothing short of astonishing. Stuff I've seen reporting on is done in such an incredibly shallow, and frequently incorrect, manner that it's just depressing in the extreme. Has anyone else run into this? If so, what got you over the "hump", so to speak?
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Jim Crafton wrote:
it seems that much of what's considered "new" in the last 5-8 years is just rehashed stuff
Haven't you just learnt more, so you now recognize the fads?
Jim Crafton wrote:
and most of the things that I do find myself interested in seem like dead end technology
In the nineties, the high goal were many-to-many relationships - plugging things and services together, swapping the single user desktop database for a multi-user server one without touching the app, etc. In the Naughties, w implemented that. Right now, we are either figuring out that this was a royally stupid idea, or we at least totally underestimated what it needs to make that work. In the Naughties, our toolchains got longer without getting much better. I am disillusioned with current developments, but not necessarily with the future. A few of the current technologies will mature and stick with us for the rest of our lives, the others will see the fate of DCOM and stuff - hysterically weird, but good improve-your-pension material for us old farts. Maybe we see some toolchain shrinkage: A single development environment that doesn't make me deal with the imperfections and error messages and broken tools of half a dozen technologies just to load and save some data. One where the components work out of the box, and cover 80% of the applications to be written. One that truly bridges the gap between the web and the desktop. One that doesn't make me write XML unless I feel that urge again.
Personally, I love the idea that Raymond spends his nights posting bad regexs to mailing lists under the pseudonym of Jane Smith. He'd be like a super hero, only more nerdy and less useful. [Trevel]
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Has anyone else gotten really disillusioned with programming recently? In the last year or so I've gotten really bored with it, it seems that much of what's considered "new" in the last 5-8 years is just rehashed stuff, and it's become really hard to work up much enthusiasm to spend extra time on it. When I started back in 1995, the industry, or at least the little that I was aware of, seemed much more dynamic. Now it just feels stagnant, and most of the things that I do find myself interested in seem like dead end technology. Many of the things that have become popular, like web "programming", just make me cringe. Part of this, I think, is that having gone through the process of learning multiple frameworks, multiple languages on multiple operating systems, using a variety of different toolchains, it all starts to become just "more of the same". So there's not that much "new" to learn in something like WPF, for example. It's just more of the same thing, with a few twists here and there, but it's not that much of a stretch anymore. Another issue is the way it's reported on in both the general media (say a magazine like Time) or even in tech specialist sites (excluding CP of course!). The willingness of any of these places to ask even the simplest of questions regarding "new" or "innovative" technology is nothing short of astonishing. Stuff I've seen reporting on is done in such an incredibly shallow, and frequently incorrect, manner that it's just depressing in the extreme. Has anyone else run into this? If so, what got you over the "hump", so to speak?
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Jim, do you think you're bored because you may have been working in the same areas/platforms for a long while? I find it arduous to maintain my MFC freeware apps and am in the process of porting (actually rewriting) them to .NET because of the gain in productivity and ease of implementation compared to C++/MFC. Fortunately (or unfortunately as the case may be), I continue to be wildly excited about building software. /ravi
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:(( First meeting tomorrow with three pointy haired managers who think SharePoint is the cat's a$$. They don't even know what SharePoint is but they latched onto it 'cause someone said it was cool. I gave them an estimate of 6 months to fully develop the app they are looking for in ColdFusion/Oracle a platform I am familiar with. They took my estimate and sent it to the higher-ups but changed it to say we will develop it in SharePoint and it will only take 3 months instead of 6! :wtf: I am not a .NET/C# developer! You want pulled pork, ribs or brisket? :)
I'll take the pulled pork.
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