9/11 truth
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I don't like to just post a link, but my point is entirely that everything this[^] page says, is true, and while there's tons of science that demolish the '9/11 truth' claims about bombs, etc, it's sometimes easier just to drop yourself to the level of the people you're talking to and say something like this[^]. Yes, I linked to it twice. Read it twice, so it sinks in.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I don't like to just post a link, but my point is entirely that everything this[^] page says, is true, and while there's tons of science that demolish the '9/11 truth' claims about bombs, etc, it's sometimes easier just to drop yourself to the level of the people you're talking to and say something like this[^]. Yes, I linked to it twice. Read it twice, so it sinks in.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Jason Bermas' Fabled Enemies on the intelligence apparatus and its involvement in 9/11. 1:42:16[^] This is a professional quality full-length film, its simply the best 9/11 film out there.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
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Jason Bermas' Fabled Enemies on the intelligence apparatus and its involvement in 9/11. 1:42:16[^] This is a professional quality full-length film, its simply the best 9/11 film out there.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
See, I can take a dog turd, and I can bronze it, put it on a little stand, and make it so a fanfare is played every time someone looks at it. It will still be a dog turd. The 9/11 truth movement is astonishingly ignorant. Did you read the links at the bottom that debunk the claims made by most 'truthers' ? Does this video contain any astonishing claims not proven to be BS by those links ? I did a lot of reading, I listened to both sides of the story, the passage of time is only going to muddy the waters more, unless you can show me a guy who claims, and can prove, that he set off the bombs, or anything else that these idiots claim happens, I'm not interested. It's weak minded drivel, it's rubbish, it's totally inaccurate, and so based on lies that the claim of being a 'truth' movement is both ironic and hilarious.
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See, I can take a dog turd, and I can bronze it, put it on a little stand, and make it so a fanfare is played every time someone looks at it. It will still be a dog turd. The 9/11 truth movement is astonishingly ignorant. Did you read the links at the bottom that debunk the claims made by most 'truthers' ? Does this video contain any astonishing claims not proven to be BS by those links ? I did a lot of reading, I listened to both sides of the story, the passage of time is only going to muddy the waters more, unless you can show me a guy who claims, and can prove, that he set off the bombs, or anything else that these idiots claim happens, I'm not interested. It's weak minded drivel, it's rubbish, it's totally inaccurate, and so based on lies that the claim of being a 'truth' movement is both ironic and hilarious.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
The film is nothing about bombs or things of that nature. It is about the intelligence failures and money trails surrounding 9/11. Fabled Enemies by Jason Bermas is the latest film to question the events of September 11th 2001. Instead of the focus being on physical anomolies surrounding the attacks, it focuses on a vast intelligence network and how they were able to succeed almost 7 years ago. It begins with footage from the morning itself reminding everyone that in the court of public opinion Osama Bin laden was convicted on day 1, there were no other suspects. We then delve into the fact that many of the alleged hijackers were trained at U.S. military facilities, and still others had ties to the FBI. When others within the FBI tried to go after Bin Laden, and his financial supporters there investigations were impeded and shut down. Able Danger the Black Ops program that identified the hijackers prior to 9/11 had also tried to move the information tot he FBI, but the FBI still was not interested for some reason. Anthony Shaffer who headed up this team later met with Phillip Zelikow, the Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission, to try and pass this information along after the fact. It was then covered up, not included in the report, and Shaffer and his team were gagged and slandered. The film then explores the mystery of those who were detained on the morning of September 11th. Several vans were stopped that morning containg Israeli citizens, who either seemed to have prior knowledge of the attacks, or had explosives in their vehicle. When investigators started looking into this network it was revealed they did indeed have a classified role in 9/11, and that two companies within the United States may have been helping them gain their intel. This network's existence is then confirmed by whistle blower Sybyl Edmonds, who came across a international spy ring containing Turks, Israelis, and member's of Pakistani Intelligence. The Pakistani operation was headed by General Mahmoud Ahmed, who had financial ties to the hijackers, and diplomatic ties to the upper echelons of Washington. After two seperate government investigations into 9/11 you would think that the public would be satisfied with their efforts and conclusions. However we show you how both the Congressional Report and the 9/11 Commission Report were a whitewash and a scam to begin with, and how it was used to manipulate the public into believeing the issue had been dealt with and thouroghly explained. In reality there were many warni
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The film is nothing about bombs or things of that nature. It is about the intelligence failures and money trails surrounding 9/11. Fabled Enemies by Jason Bermas is the latest film to question the events of September 11th 2001. Instead of the focus being on physical anomolies surrounding the attacks, it focuses on a vast intelligence network and how they were able to succeed almost 7 years ago. It begins with footage from the morning itself reminding everyone that in the court of public opinion Osama Bin laden was convicted on day 1, there were no other suspects. We then delve into the fact that many of the alleged hijackers were trained at U.S. military facilities, and still others had ties to the FBI. When others within the FBI tried to go after Bin Laden, and his financial supporters there investigations were impeded and shut down. Able Danger the Black Ops program that identified the hijackers prior to 9/11 had also tried to move the information tot he FBI, but the FBI still was not interested for some reason. Anthony Shaffer who headed up this team later met with Phillip Zelikow, the Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission, to try and pass this information along after the fact. It was then covered up, not included in the report, and Shaffer and his team were gagged and slandered. The film then explores the mystery of those who were detained on the morning of September 11th. Several vans were stopped that morning containg Israeli citizens, who either seemed to have prior knowledge of the attacks, or had explosives in their vehicle. When investigators started looking into this network it was revealed they did indeed have a classified role in 9/11, and that two companies within the United States may have been helping them gain their intel. This network's existence is then confirmed by whistle blower Sybyl Edmonds, who came across a international spy ring containing Turks, Israelis, and member's of Pakistani Intelligence. The Pakistani operation was headed by General Mahmoud Ahmed, who had financial ties to the hijackers, and diplomatic ties to the upper echelons of Washington. After two seperate government investigations into 9/11 you would think that the public would be satisfied with their efforts and conclusions. However we show you how both the Congressional Report and the 9/11 Commission Report were a whitewash and a scam to begin with, and how it was used to manipulate the public into believeing the issue had been dealt with and thouroghly explained. In reality there were many warni
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Several vans were stopped that morning containg Israeli citizens, who either seemed to have prior knowledge of the attacks, or had explosives in their vehicle.
'seemed to have prior knowledge' - what sort of nebulous BS is this ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
We take you inside 7 with emergency worker Barry Jennings account of multiple explosions inside the building before either tower had fell.
I thought you said there was none of this ? This is BS, how is one person's perception, from inside the building, relevant to a real overview of events ? I'm sorry, I spent my time looking in to this, I've done the research, no way am I wasting 90 minutes of my life on this mindless drivel. The 'truth' movement had their chance to convince me and they failed utterly. Only someone predisposed to believe in conspiracies ( like you ) would fall for this trash.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I don't like to just post a link, but my point is entirely that everything this[^] page says, is true, and while there's tons of science that demolish the '9/11 truth' claims about bombs, etc, it's sometimes easier just to drop yourself to the level of the people you're talking to and say something like this[^]. Yes, I linked to it twice. Read it twice, so it sinks in.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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It's like the faking of the moon landings - suddenly a bubmling government that leaks like a seive becomes perfectly watertight? :doh:
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No it is not. It is a very serious issue of a dangerously corrupt government. Throughout history people in power have committed acts of violence against their own citizenry in order to seize more power and launch unlawful wars. False flag operations are a classic tool of deception and espionage. Intelligence agencies are usually linked to most false flag terrorism. Probably the most basic motive for a false flag incident would be to frame the enemy for an act of aggression or barbarism in order to justify a supposed “defensive” response. It is essentially a way of making it appear that the other side “threw the first punch.”
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No it is not. It is a very serious issue of a dangerously corrupt government. Throughout history people in power have committed acts of violence against their own citizenry in order to seize more power and launch unlawful wars. False flag operations are a classic tool of deception and espionage. Intelligence agencies are usually linked to most false flag terrorism. Probably the most basic motive for a false flag incident would be to frame the enemy for an act of aggression or barbarism in order to justify a supposed “defensive” response. It is essentially a way of making it appear that the other side “threw the first punch.”
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
I do love these unquantified statements you make. I'm sure they sound impressive to you. I have no doubt that the US was poised ready for an excuse to invade Iraq. I don't believe they killed 3000 of their own people to do it, but then got cold feet when it came to controlling the supply of 'information' from people who worked it out.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I don't like to just post a link, but my point is entirely that everything this[^] page says, is true, and while there's tons of science that demolish the '9/11 truth' claims about bombs, etc, it's sometimes easier just to drop yourself to the level of the people you're talking to and say something like this[^]. Yes, I linked to it twice. Read it twice, so it sinks in.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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His reasoning has been my most favorite. If the CIA is so bad, how come so few people who complain about it die?
Opacity, the new Transparency.
That is such a lame argument. They are smarter than that. They are obviously smarter than you. “Propaganda Techniques” is based upon “Appendix I: PSYOP Techniques” from “Psychological Operations Field Manual No.33-1″ published by Headquarters; Department of the Army, in Washington DC, on 31 August 1979 Link[^]
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
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That is such a lame argument. They are smarter than that. They are obviously smarter than you. “Propaganda Techniques” is based upon “Appendix I: PSYOP Techniques” from “Psychological Operations Field Manual No.33-1″ published by Headquarters; Department of the Army, in Washington DC, on 31 August 1979 Link[^]
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
That's a pathetic argument. Like the guy says, sure, you can claim that now, but the CIA could co-ordinate all of this, but couldn't find this guy and kill him before everyone knew about his videos and his story. The 9/11 truth movement is in every way analogous to a room full of retarded children, poking themselves in the eye with a stick. It's pathetic, and laughable. As I've often said, Time did a story where they talked about how people who believe this drivel, do so out of fear. Believing the government is this powerful is easier than believing that sometimes life is random, and sometimes, no government can stop bad things from happening. The core issue is your insecurity, not any actual proof of any conspiracy.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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No it is not. It is a very serious issue of a dangerously corrupt government. Throughout history people in power have committed acts of violence against their own citizenry in order to seize more power and launch unlawful wars. False flag operations are a classic tool of deception and espionage. Intelligence agencies are usually linked to most false flag terrorism. Probably the most basic motive for a false flag incident would be to frame the enemy for an act of aggression or barbarism in order to justify a supposed “defensive” response. It is essentially a way of making it appear that the other side “threw the first punch.”
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
I worked as a contractor in TS+ projects for 20+ years. Except for two, every project ended up in the Washington Post or Aviation Week. Those two were small peaces of other stuff. Everything else. Everything. Technical, operational, people don't care. Some butt wipe congressional aide wants to shows how powerful he is. He tells some never-known-anything-but-US-freedoms reporter. Reporter thinks it's ok to put people lives in danger, to get a story. We can't keep a secret to save our lives, and you think we orchestrated something that complex and wide reaching, and not a single f'ing person involved hasn't spilled their guts? Or do you really think the CIA offed them, but wouldn't off you for spreading it? I won't even go into insulting the movement or people. Who told us about Operation Northwood? Was it the KGB? Oh. Right. It was the CIA. I'm sure it was to keep our eyes off something else.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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I worked as a contractor in TS+ projects for 20+ years. Except for two, every project ended up in the Washington Post or Aviation Week. Those two were small peaces of other stuff. Everything else. Everything. Technical, operational, people don't care. Some butt wipe congressional aide wants to shows how powerful he is. He tells some never-known-anything-but-US-freedoms reporter. Reporter thinks it's ok to put people lives in danger, to get a story. We can't keep a secret to save our lives, and you think we orchestrated something that complex and wide reaching, and not a single f'ing person involved hasn't spilled their guts? Or do you really think the CIA offed them, but wouldn't off you for spreading it? I won't even go into insulting the movement or people. Who told us about Operation Northwood? Was it the KGB? Oh. Right. It was the CIA. I'm sure it was to keep our eyes off something else.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
RichardM1 wrote:
Or do you really think the CIA offed them, but wouldn't off you for spreading it?
He thinks the CIA killed several planes full of people, so why not ? It's obviously extreme delusion, but, that's what he thinks.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I worked as a contractor in TS+ projects for 20+ years. Except for two, every project ended up in the Washington Post or Aviation Week. Those two were small peaces of other stuff. Everything else. Everything. Technical, operational, people don't care. Some butt wipe congressional aide wants to shows how powerful he is. He tells some never-known-anything-but-US-freedoms reporter. Reporter thinks it's ok to put people lives in danger, to get a story. We can't keep a secret to save our lives, and you think we orchestrated something that complex and wide reaching, and not a single f'ing person involved hasn't spilled their guts? Or do you really think the CIA offed them, but wouldn't off you for spreading it? I won't even go into insulting the movement or people. Who told us about Operation Northwood? Was it the KGB? Oh. Right. It was the CIA. I'm sure it was to keep our eyes off something else.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
Again, as I said, it isn't strategically profitable to "off" millions of Americans who speak up. It is obvious that committing genocide would be a failed strategy. How would they justify it? Now, I am sure that there are a few would be whistle-blowers that have been "offed", it happens all the time I'm sure. However, as you said, they can't keep everything a secret. For things that they can't keep a secret, they engage is psychological warfare instead. “Propaganda Techniques” is based upon “Appendix I: PSYOP Techniques” from “Psychological Operations Field Manual No.33-1″ published by Headquarters; Department of the Army, in Washington DC, on 31 August 1979 “Truther” came out of the CIA Handbook on Psychological Guerrilla Warfare[^]
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
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Again, as I said, it isn't strategically profitable to "off" millions of Americans who speak up. It is obvious that committing genocide would be a failed strategy. How would they justify it? Now, I am sure that there are a few would be whistle-blowers that have been "offed", it happens all the time I'm sure. However, as you said, they can't keep everything a secret. For things that they can't keep a secret, they engage is psychological warfare instead. “Propaganda Techniques” is based upon “Appendix I: PSYOP Techniques” from “Psychological Operations Field Manual No.33-1″ published by Headquarters; Department of the Army, in Washington DC, on 31 August 1979 “Truther” came out of the CIA Handbook on Psychological Guerrilla Warfare[^]
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Now I am sure there are a few would be whistle blowers that have been "offed", it happens all the time I'm sure.
And this is another example of the elaborate fantasy you're building for yourself.
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Again, as I said, it isn't strategically profitable to "off" millions of Americans who speak up. It is obvious that committing genocide would be a failed strategy. How would they justify it? Now, I am sure that there are a few would be whistle-blowers that have been "offed", it happens all the time I'm sure. However, as you said, they can't keep everything a secret. For things that they can't keep a secret, they engage is psychological warfare instead. “Propaganda Techniques” is based upon “Appendix I: PSYOP Techniques” from “Psychological Operations Field Manual No.33-1″ published by Headquarters; Department of the Army, in Washington DC, on 31 August 1979 “Truther” came out of the CIA Handbook on Psychological Guerrilla Warfare[^]
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
See, the CIA does not need to kill you all. It just has to get you to the point where you shoot each other. That should be simple for them, as smart as they are. I bet they even talk about how to do it in that book you are shrilling.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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RichardM1 wrote:
Or do you really think the CIA offed them, but wouldn't off you for spreading it?
He thinks the CIA killed several planes full of people, so why not ? It's obviously extreme delusion, but, that's what he thinks.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
He thinks the CIA killed several planes full of people, so why not ? It's obviously extreme delusion, but, that's what he thinks.
I thought they actually had those planes fly under radar and be substituted with a cruise missile. Then they flew the planes, under radar, to some unknown location and ... let them go? kill them? bus them to the towers in time for the big event?
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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That is such a lame argument. They are smarter than that. They are obviously smarter than you. “Propaganda Techniques” is based upon “Appendix I: PSYOP Techniques” from “Psychological Operations Field Manual No.33-1″ published by Headquarters; Department of the Army, in Washington DC, on 31 August 1979 Link[^]
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
I know some of them are smarter than me, I worked with some of them. And I know some are stupider, even then me. And, Gosh, it even sounds like they are smarter than you. Yet you are able to figure out exactly what happened. Piece it together from bad photos and coincidences. If you knew what I was doing on 911, you would be shocked, I'm sure. Sitting on a gov boat, watching TV, just like the rest of you. Do you know the old says: "It would be a real coincidence if there were no coincidences"
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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Christian Graus wrote:
He thinks the CIA killed several planes full of people, so why not ? It's obviously extreme delusion, but, that's what he thinks.
I thought they actually had those planes fly under radar and be substituted with a cruise missile. Then they flew the planes, under radar, to some unknown location and ... let them go? kill them? bus them to the towers in time for the big event?
Opacity, the new Transparency.
Exactly. I've heard that story, too, there was no plane, but then the question becomes, what did they do with the people ? How did they fake the calls from the plane that crashed ? It doesn't make any sense at all.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Exactly. I've heard that story, too, there was no plane, but then the question becomes, what did they do with the people ? How did they fake the calls from the plane that crashed ? It doesn't make any sense at all.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
If these things made sense then the people writing them would be writing hollywood plots! the all seem to be based on the same idea, that nothing can happen(or not happen) without organisation, so the fact that the powers that be didnt stop the attack means that they must have planned it, because clearly they control everything otherwise people like CSS would be successfull, rich and have stunningly beautiful wifes and/or girlfriends(or boy friends as iam still unsure about css)
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