Weekday Firearms Update - JSOP Behold
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And while discussing guns... I have just purchased my first ever gun. Brand new Benelli Nova 12 ga. pump :cool: Can't wait to get out with hit. Hunting safety course this Sat (required for license). Then I'll run various loads for pattern testing, and then off to the woods (deer), swamp (bear), sound (ducks), and anywhere else I can find access rights :-D
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AK's are about as accurate as throwing a rock into the ocean. The only thing guaranteed is that you'll hit the ocean - somewhere. Benefit from my experience: You'll find that battle rifles are almost always less expensive than a decent pistol, and that goes for the AR-15. CDNN has S&W M&P15 rifles for anywhere from $600 to $800. Don't bother with Colt because you're paying for the name (adds $200-300 to the cost of the rifle) - not the rifle. No matter what you get, you want the following features on a AR: 0) Mil-spec flattop upper receiver with M4 feed ramps, forward assist, dust cover, and M16 BCG (with properly staked gas key) 1) Mil-spec *aluminum* lower receiver with H2 buffer and heavy duty action spring, and don't bother with a match trigger - they're touchy and can't take the punishment a standard fire control group can withstand. 2) Chrome lined 5.56 hammer-forged 16-inch barrel with M4 feed ramps, preferrably with a mid-length gas system 3) Mil-spec buffer tube 4) Six-position collapsible stock (Magpul or Tango-Down, or Cavalry Arms are decent) The mid-length gas system, when combined with the heavier M16 BCG, will reduce felt recoil and be eaiser on the rifle itself. You also get the added benefit of a slightly longer sight radius than you would have with a carbine gas system, improving *your* accuracy when using iron sights. If you can find one, get a rifle with no sights or optics on it. Also, don't get all hung up on hanging all kinds of "tacti-cool" crap off your handguard. It just adds weight and expense, and for your typical tactical competitions, a tactical light, laser, bipod, and vertical forward grip are essentially useless. Magzines are an important part of your AR. Do yourself a favor and use only Magpul PMags. They're polymer mads and their primary benefit is that they don't get dented (and thus become unsuable) when you accidently step on one. Also, get some 20-round mags too. Shooting from the bench is promenatic when all you have is 30-round magazines. Pistols: It sounds like you want a pistiol with a more traditional thumb safety. This means that pretty much every polymer-framed pistol is out of the running. My suggestion is to keep it simple, and get a full-size 1911. They are easy to field strip, easily customizable, and "accurate enough", even in their off-the-shelf configurations. The most important thing to do is to find a manufactuirer that has an unlimited lifetime warranty (most of the decent pistols have this). If you want to keep prices do
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Well your odds of being killed by a firearm will go up considerably once you buy one (it's a statistical certainty) so you might want to contemplate really good life insurance while you're at it.
“If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people together to collect wood and don't assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless immensity of the sea” - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
John C wrote:
Well your odds of being killed by a firearm will go up considerably once you buy one (it's a statistical certainty) so you might want to contemplate really good life insurance while you're at it.
I've had guns since I was 12, and there has always been one in whatever house I'm living in. I wonder when the statistics will catch up with me... A lot of people have owned guns or been around them all of their lives, and have died of nothing more nefarious than natural causes. I think your "statistics" claim is just parroting of anti-gunners' false logic and lame attempts at scare tactics. Here are some others: Oh my god! He's got a gun, so he must be mere seconds from going on a murdurous rampage! Look out! There's a gun on a shelf in the closet! It might jump down on its own and start busting a cap in someone's ass! OH NO! He's got an "assault" rifle! That's for killing people, not hunting! If we pass a law that outlaws handguns, then nobody will need them, because criminals won't have them! The Constitution says that only militia members can have guns, and everyone knows that militia members are skin heads and radicals! What were the founding fathers thinking!? If we allowed people to openly carry handguns, it would be like the wild west with shoot-outs at every intersection!
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
John C wrote:
Well your odds of being killed by a firearm will go up considerably once you buy one (it's a statistical certainty) so you might want to contemplate really good life insurance while you're at it.
I've had guns since I was 12, and there has always been one in whatever house I'm living in. I wonder when the statistics will catch up with me... A lot of people have owned guns or been around them all of their lives, and have died of nothing more nefarious than natural causes. I think your "statistics" claim is just parroting of anti-gunners' false logic and lame attempts at scare tactics. Here are some others: Oh my god! He's got a gun, so he must be mere seconds from going on a murdurous rampage! Look out! There's a gun on a shelf in the closet! It might jump down on its own and start busting a cap in someone's ass! OH NO! He's got an "assault" rifle! That's for killing people, not hunting! If we pass a law that outlaws handguns, then nobody will need them, because criminals won't have them! The Constitution says that only militia members can have guns, and everyone knows that militia members are skin heads and radicals! What were the founding fathers thinking!? If we allowed people to openly carry handguns, it would be like the wild west with shoot-outs at every intersection!
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
The Constitution says that only militia members can have guns, and everyone knows that militia members are skin heads and radicals! What were the founding fathers thinking!?
I find this one particularly amusing since US Code defines the militia as including all men age 18-45(?); all men who served in the military age 18-60(65?); and, at their choice, women who served in the military age 18-60(65?). If you followed the only militia part to its illogical conclusion you'd essentially ban gun ownership for women while allowing a much larger chunk of men to continue to do so. That would almost be worth it just for the cognitive whiplash it'd give feminazi types. :laugh:
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John C wrote:
Well your odds of being killed by a firearm will go up considerably once you buy one (it's a statistical certainty) so you might want to contemplate really good life insurance while you're at it.
I've had guns since I was 12, and there has always been one in whatever house I'm living in. I wonder when the statistics will catch up with me... A lot of people have owned guns or been around them all of their lives, and have died of nothing more nefarious than natural causes. I think your "statistics" claim is just parroting of anti-gunners' false logic and lame attempts at scare tactics. Here are some others: Oh my god! He's got a gun, so he must be mere seconds from going on a murdurous rampage! Look out! There's a gun on a shelf in the closet! It might jump down on its own and start busting a cap in someone's ass! OH NO! He's got an "assault" rifle! That's for killing people, not hunting! If we pass a law that outlaws handguns, then nobody will need them, because criminals won't have them! The Constitution says that only militia members can have guns, and everyone knows that militia members are skin heads and radicals! What were the founding fathers thinking!? If we allowed people to openly carry handguns, it would be like the wild west with shoot-outs at every intersection!
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001I honestly could not care less if U.S. citizens and anyone who lives far away from me have a fetish about firearms and they can do whatever they want with them including shooting at each other at will. :) I'm not anti-gun at all, I really enjoyed firing my buddie's Desert Eagle at the range and I was an avid hunter as a young lad and have taken the CORE hunting course here in Canada that makes me eligible to get an FAC to buy whatever weapon I wish. I just lost interest in hunting as I got older and to be honest it's a pain in the ass skinning a deer when you can just go buy tasty meat at the grocery store or local farm. I also think PETA is a terrorist organization who sponsors acts of terrorism and are a bunch of nut jobs who can also go suck a bag of dicks with the Apple computer company. :) That being said it's a long standing statistic that your odds of getting killed by a firearm are higher when you own firearms.
“If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people together to collect wood and don't assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless immensity of the sea” - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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AK's are about as accurate as throwing a rock into the ocean. The only thing guaranteed is that you'll hit the ocean - somewhere. Benefit from my experience: You'll find that battle rifles are almost always less expensive than a decent pistol, and that goes for the AR-15. CDNN has S&W M&P15 rifles for anywhere from $600 to $800. Don't bother with Colt because you're paying for the name (adds $200-300 to the cost of the rifle) - not the rifle. No matter what you get, you want the following features on a AR: 0) Mil-spec flattop upper receiver with M4 feed ramps, forward assist, dust cover, and M16 BCG (with properly staked gas key) 1) Mil-spec *aluminum* lower receiver with H2 buffer and heavy duty action spring, and don't bother with a match trigger - they're touchy and can't take the punishment a standard fire control group can withstand. 2) Chrome lined 5.56 hammer-forged 16-inch barrel with M4 feed ramps, preferrably with a mid-length gas system 3) Mil-spec buffer tube 4) Six-position collapsible stock (Magpul or Tango-Down, or Cavalry Arms are decent) The mid-length gas system, when combined with the heavier M16 BCG, will reduce felt recoil and be eaiser on the rifle itself. You also get the added benefit of a slightly longer sight radius than you would have with a carbine gas system, improving *your* accuracy when using iron sights. If you can find one, get a rifle with no sights or optics on it. Also, don't get all hung up on hanging all kinds of "tacti-cool" crap off your handguard. It just adds weight and expense, and for your typical tactical competitions, a tactical light, laser, bipod, and vertical forward grip are essentially useless. Magzines are an important part of your AR. Do yourself a favor and use only Magpul PMags. They're polymer mads and their primary benefit is that they don't get dented (and thus become unsuable) when you accidently step on one. Also, get some 20-round mags too. Shooting from the bench is promenatic when all you have is 30-round magazines. Pistols: It sounds like you want a pistiol with a more traditional thumb safety. This means that pretty much every polymer-framed pistol is out of the running. My suggestion is to keep it simple, and get a full-size 1911. They are easy to field strip, easily customizable, and "accurate enough", even in their off-the-shelf configurations. The most important thing to do is to find a manufactuirer that has an unlimited lifetime warranty (most of the decent pistols have this). If you want to keep prices do
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I honestly could not care less if U.S. citizens and anyone who lives far away from me have a fetish about firearms and they can do whatever they want with them including shooting at each other at will. :) I'm not anti-gun at all, I really enjoyed firing my buddie's Desert Eagle at the range and I was an avid hunter as a young lad and have taken the CORE hunting course here in Canada that makes me eligible to get an FAC to buy whatever weapon I wish. I just lost interest in hunting as I got older and to be honest it's a pain in the ass skinning a deer when you can just go buy tasty meat at the grocery store or local farm. I also think PETA is a terrorist organization who sponsors acts of terrorism and are a bunch of nut jobs who can also go suck a bag of dicks with the Apple computer company. :) That being said it's a long standing statistic that your odds of getting killed by a firearm are higher when you own firearms.
“If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people together to collect wood and don't assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless immensity of the sea” - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
John C wrote:
That being said it's a long standing statistic that your odds of getting killed by a firearm are higher when you own firearms.
These are truly dangerous times we live in (and certainly marginally more dangerous for idtios that approach my house with nefarious intent). :)
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
Rock Island Armory seems impressive. Their guns look great and appear to be cheap. :). But strangely no one here has heard about them. I am going to check them out.
The parts are made (and may be assembled) in the Philippines, and the RIA brand is well regarded for their out-of-the-box reliability and accuracy, especially when you considering they're not made by a custom gun shop.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
John C wrote:
That being said it's a long standing statistic that your odds of getting killed by a firearm are higher when you own firearms.
These are truly dangerous times we live in (and certainly marginally more dangerous for idtios that approach my house with nefarious intent). :)
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
These are truly dangerous times we live in
Wow that sucks for you; I've never felt safer, happier and less afraid. I guess that's exactly when shit happens to you though. ;)
“If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people together to collect wood and don't assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless immensity of the sea” - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
These are truly dangerous times we live in
Wow that sucks for you; I've never felt safer, happier and less afraid. I guess that's exactly when shit happens to you though. ;)
“If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people together to collect wood and don't assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless immensity of the sea” - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
John C wrote:
I've never felt safer, happier and less afraid.
I'm happy, and I'm certainly not afraid. I'm prepared. It's kinda like doing a system backup. You hope you never have a hard drive crash, but you want to be ready if t happens. Another analogy is car insurance. You hope you never need to use it, but if you do... I have guns, mostly for self defense. I hope I never have to use them for their intended purpose, but if something goes sideways at/near me or my house (remember, I live pretty close to our southern border), I'm glad I have the training, expertise, and equipment to deal with the problem.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001
