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  • C CaptainSeeSharp

    I didn't copy and paste. Those are my own thoughts. Respond to my thoughts rather than my spelling. Responding to my spelling indicates that my thoughts brutally trumped your thoughts. You whimper in defeat.

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    Show me your own thoughts then. Rather than the same-old, same-old dribble of half-digested, half-baked ideas taken from articles you barely understand; from unsubstantiated rumours and internet conspiracy theorists. And learn to spell - or at least use a spelling checker (or does that invade your right to be a free-form thinker?)

    Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.

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    • I Ian Shlasko

      CA: I knew you couldn't change. CF: I knew you'd know that. CA: Oh, I know that. AND I knew you'd know I'd know you knew. CF: But I didn't. I only knew that you'd know that I knew. Did you know THAT? CA: Of course. Name that movie :)

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      This[^]?

      It's time for a new signature.

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        This[^]?

        It's time for a new signature.

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        I don't know but it's a good film. :thumbsup:

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        • C CaptainSeeSharp

          I didn't copy and paste. Those are my own thoughts. Respond to my thoughts rather than my spelling. Responding to my spelling indicates that my thoughts brutally trumped your thoughts. You whimper in defeat.

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          CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

          Responding to my spelling indicates that my thoughts brutally trumped your thoughts.

          Gasp! a dangling participle! :omg:

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          • I Ian Shlasko

            Sure, everyone is predictable. Each person does what they think will benefit them the most. Before you try to dispute that by bringing up charitable donations, that "benefit" isn't necessarily financial, or even tangible. If someone is choosing whether to donate some amount of money to a charity, they're weighing the tangible benefit of having that money against the emotional benefit of making the donation (Well, there are other possible benefits, but let's keep it simple). Even when I do something completely random, just to confuse people, I'm deciding that the brief satisfaction I get from messing with peoples' heads benefits me more than the expected action :)

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            Ian Shlasko wrote:

            Sure, everyone is predictable. Each person does what they think will benefit them the most.

            Ah, a fellow cynic! You are right. As animals we are generally predictable.

            Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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              I don't know but it's a good film. :thumbsup:

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              Ian Shlasko
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              Yep, total box office failure, but such a good movie :)

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              • C CaptainSeeSharp

                The government gets other, more personal ifnoramtion from google, facebook, and the NSA's telecommunications filters. They can dial up anybody on their system and listen to their phone, find their location with their cellphone, and allt hat.

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                G-d bless the Patriot Act!!

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                • C Chris Meech

                  Have you read Foundation by Asimov? :)

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                  No I haven't. The most I get to read these days seems to be the paper. Maybe this winter I can do some reading. I wikipediaed it and it sounds like fun to read.

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                    Just say you're against the Teaparty to CSS or you believe in GW to fat-boy. Check the reaction. :-D

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                    Both reactions are very tired ones. ;P

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                    • I Ian Shlasko

                      Sure, everyone is predictable. Each person does what they think will benefit them the most. Before you try to dispute that by bringing up charitable donations, that "benefit" isn't necessarily financial, or even tangible. If someone is choosing whether to donate some amount of money to a charity, they're weighing the tangible benefit of having that money against the emotional benefit of making the donation (Well, there are other possible benefits, but let's keep it simple). Even when I do something completely random, just to confuse people, I'm deciding that the brief satisfaction I get from messing with peoples' heads benefits me more than the expected action :)

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                      wolfbinary
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                      I do think people are predictable, but for varying reasons. Some are selfish, some seem to be just hard wired into people. When you political parties, or organized anything you encourage predictability. Even CSS belongs to a group, regardless of what he might say. He'd be a member of the group of people who think like the Birch Society. It doesn't really matter what group that is. There is a limit to what can be predicted I'm sure, but I don't know what that might be. Selfishness is a pretty strong motivator as you've stated already.

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                      • W wolfbinary

                        No I haven't. The most I get to read these days seems to be the paper. Maybe this winter I can do some reading. I wikipediaed it and it sounds like fun to read.

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                        Chris Meech
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                        It's been years since I read it, but one aspect of the story is about predicting the future based upon outcome probabilities, similar to your original post. :)

                        Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra]

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                        • W wolfbinary

                          I had watched an interview of a scientist on the daily show where the scientist talks about how given enough information could predict with 75% or so certainty about what a person or group will do. I don't think people are all that unpredictable. Do you find people very predictable?

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                          The group probability isn't too surprising at all. In physics, you can relate (random) quantum mechanical properties into bulk properties using the probabilities of members of the population being in each of the given states(this is called Statistical Thermodynamics). If this works for a random population, the effect will be stronger for populations where the randomness is decreased (e.g. human psychology being similar between individuals). Given enough information, I'd expect the percentage to be higher even for individuals but I don't think the science is there yet. Here is a question: if what the scientist says is true, what effect does that have on notions of free will?

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                          • W wolfbinary

                            No I haven't. The most I get to read these days seems to be the paper. Maybe this winter I can do some reading. I wikipediaed it and it sounds like fun to read.

                            That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

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                            If this subject interests you then the Foundation series should be read. An excellent set of books to read and very pertinent to your subject. Basic premise is that the larger the group of people the easier it is to predict. Impossible to predict a single person but a large crowd is predictable and a population is easy. So Seldon, the oracle of the book predicted the fall and rise of a galactic civilisation.

                            Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                            • S soap brain

                              CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                              Responding to my spelling indicates that my thoughts brutally trumped your thoughts.

                              Gasp! a dangling participle! :omg:

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                              Hardly.

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                                Hardly.

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                                soap brain
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                                DANGLE DANGLE DANGLE

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                                  DANGLE DANGLE DANGLE

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                                  CaptainSeeSharp
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                                  Yes, that's all that will be of your manhood.

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                                    Yes, that's all that will be of your manhood.

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                                    soap brain
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                                    A dangling participle? :confused:

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                                    • S soap brain

                                      A dangling participle? :confused:

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                                      Yeah :laugh:

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                                      • C CaptainSeeSharp

                                        Yeah :laugh:

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                                        soap brain
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                                        Uh...screw you!

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                                        • S soap brain

                                          DANGLE DANGLE DANGLE

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                                          I now have this image of a rabid mangy old cat and someone dangling a bit of shiny string. :laugh:

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