What is it for? [modified]
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I'm having real difficulty figuring out whether this is the next big thing or the next big flash in the pan. I'm also unclear on the (nebulous you might say...) concept, papers on the subject don't really carify it for me. My questions are specifically:
- Software as Service: How is this really different from a well designed SOA archtecture over, say, WCF, other than where the code runs
- Who owns the code?
- Who writes the code?
- Where does your code reside and how do you test it? How "transportable" is the code?
- Are you locked into a vendor? If so, the dangers this raises surely outweigh than any efficiency gains you might find.
- How are security concerns addressed?
- Is this really different than outsourcing a company's hardware function (other than the frameworks involved?)
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
modified on Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:28 AM
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I'm having real difficulty figuring out whether this is the next big thing or the next big flash in the pan. I'm also unclear on the (nebulous you might say...) concept, papers on the subject don't really carify it for me. My questions are specifically:
- Software as Service: How is this really different from a well designed SOA archtecture over, say, WCF, other than where the code runs
- Who owns the code?
- Who writes the code?
- Where does your code reside and how do you test it? How "transportable" is the code?
- Are you locked into a vendor? If so, the dangers this raises surely outweigh than any efficiency gains you might find.
- How are security concerns addressed?
- Is this really different than outsourcing a company's hardware function (other than the frameworks involved?)
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
modified on Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:28 AM
Keith Barrow wrote:
# Software as Service: How is this really different from a well designed SOA archtecture over, say, WCF, other than where the code runs # Who owns the code? # Who writes the code? # Where does your code reside and how do you test it? How "transportable" is the code? # Are you locked into a vendor? If so, the dangers this raises surely outweigh than any efficiency gains you might find. # How are security concerns addressed? # Is this really different than outsourcing a company's hardware function (other than the frameworks involved?)
I don't think it is. You do. You do. On Microsoft Servers as I understand it. Published I believe via VS2010. yes. Microsoft. Not very well last time I read about it. They're addressing it, but it still needs work. I don't think it is. The idea is that Microsoft takes care of all that stuff for you. You buy the level of service you need and the number of instances you want. It gets very contractual. Think their licensing agreements.:~ I've stayed away from it for the time being because I can't see any sizable company wanting to allow Microsoft to have control and hostage taking power over their data and livelihood. It sounds like a real downer.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Keith Barrow wrote:
# Software as Service: How is this really different from a well designed SOA archtecture over, say, WCF, other than where the code runs # Who owns the code? # Who writes the code? # Where does your code reside and how do you test it? How "transportable" is the code? # Are you locked into a vendor? If so, the dangers this raises surely outweigh than any efficiency gains you might find. # How are security concerns addressed? # Is this really different than outsourcing a company's hardware function (other than the frameworks involved?)
I don't think it is. You do. You do. On Microsoft Servers as I understand it. Published I believe via VS2010. yes. Microsoft. Not very well last time I read about it. They're addressing it, but it still needs work. I don't think it is. The idea is that Microsoft takes care of all that stuff for you. You buy the level of service you need and the number of instances you want. It gets very contractual. Think their licensing agreements.:~ I've stayed away from it for the time being because I can't see any sizable company wanting to allow Microsoft to have control and hostage taking power over their data and livelihood. It sounds like a real downer.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
Thanks for the reply, after one week, an answer! This isn't meant as a criticism of you, it just screams volumes about the amount of work going on in the cloud I think. People keep screaming "next big thing" on the cloud, but when I look at it, the security concerns and the "ransom effect" will prevent business such as banks (who tend to be the drivers on such things) from ever using it. I hadn't considered Miscrosoft's Byzantine pricing structure, even for something as "simple" as VS2010 we had to get an external consultancy in to find the best deal for our company.Their cloud pricing must be horrific. Some people are really fired up about this, and I've been wrong about technologies in the past (Windows devs are resisting WPF, which I think far superior to traditional Winforms), but I think this is a dud, at least in the medium term. My post was really a last-gasp should I take a look at this tech, or should I do something else question. Cloud Computing might have a use for SMEs though: the security provided will probably be better than can be acheived in-house,but I suspect Google is a better option.
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Thanks for the reply, after one week, an answer! This isn't meant as a criticism of you, it just screams volumes about the amount of work going on in the cloud I think. People keep screaming "next big thing" on the cloud, but when I look at it, the security concerns and the "ransom effect" will prevent business such as banks (who tend to be the drivers on such things) from ever using it. I hadn't considered Miscrosoft's Byzantine pricing structure, even for something as "simple" as VS2010 we had to get an external consultancy in to find the best deal for our company.Their cloud pricing must be horrific. Some people are really fired up about this, and I've been wrong about technologies in the past (Windows devs are resisting WPF, which I think far superior to traditional Winforms), but I think this is a dud, at least in the medium term. My post was really a last-gasp should I take a look at this tech, or should I do something else question. Cloud Computing might have a use for SMEs though: the security provided will probably be better than can be acheived in-house,but I suspect Google is a better option.
I was having a beer with one of the MS technical reps for cloud computing in SE Asia a couple of months ago, and asked him this exact question. And you are right the primary target is the SME exactly b/c of the security that MS can bring to the service. Apparently they have some extraordinary service agreements designed to reassure SME's their data is safe and remains theirs. He did admit that the big end of town were not prospects and banks won't touch it, they have enough trouble controlling their (our) environment without more vapourware thank you. There you go - 2 replies.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH