TSA - the other side of the coin
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TSA workers face verbal abuse from travelers[^] From the article:
In Indianapolis, for example, a TSO was punched by a passenger who didn’t like the new screening process
I guess you gotta feel for the TSOs here, I bet most of them are not particularly gladdened at the thought of having to feel up people's genitals all day long.
Regards, Nish
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I have as much sympathy for TSA agents as I have for telemarketers. The incredible invasion of privacy that is the new policy for US air travellers -- in any other context, it could a criminal act of unwanted sexual contact -- is obscene and should be treated as such. The virtual strip searches and fondling of breasts and genitals does absolutely nothing to make us safer. The claim that "I'm just following orders" is not a legally valid excuse. I have a friend who is a survivor of sexual abuse, and she is about to lose her job because she will not go through the new screening process. She is afraid that if she is selected for a molestation pat-down, she will have a flashback and react accordingly. Even if she goes through the metal detectors or the strip-search machine, she can still be subjected to the pat-down on the whim of the TSA agents; it is not an "either/or" situation.
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I have as much sympathy for TSA agents as I have for telemarketers. The incredible invasion of privacy that is the new policy for US air travellers -- in any other context, it could a criminal act of unwanted sexual contact -- is obscene and should be treated as such. The virtual strip searches and fondling of breasts and genitals does absolutely nothing to make us safer. The claim that "I'm just following orders" is not a legally valid excuse. I have a friend who is a survivor of sexual abuse, and she is about to lose her job because she will not go through the new screening process. She is afraid that if she is selected for a molestation pat-down, she will have a flashback and react accordingly. Even if she goes through the metal detectors or the strip-search machine, she can still be subjected to the pat-down on the whim of the TSA agents; it is not an "either/or" situation.
Gregory.Gadow wrote:
I have as much sympathy for TSA agents as I have for telemarketers.
Well, there is a difference. Telemarketers went for a job knowing that their primary task is to call and annoy people all day long. TSOs didn't apply for this job with the knowledge that they'd be doing this sort of thing, or at least any TSOs that joined prior to last month.
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
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Yeah, that'll be fun for the duration of the 2 minute pat down. Not sure how it will be to sit in a 2-3 hour flight in that condition knowing you don't have much of a chance of relieving yourself.
Regards, Nish
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There's always the Prenderville option: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/republic-of-ireland/sexact-dj-neil-prendeville-mixed-beer-and-wine-with-tablets-15000149.html http://fatmammycat.wordpress.com/2010/11/04/oh-neil-prenderville-when-youre-on-the-high-road-beware-the-gales-of-doom/ What's great about it is that the chap in question is a Moral Crusader of sorts...
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TSA workers face verbal abuse from travelers[^] From the article:
In Indianapolis, for example, a TSO was punched by a passenger who didn’t like the new screening process
I guess you gotta feel for the TSOs here, I bet most of them are not particularly gladdened at the thought of having to feel up people's genitals all day long.
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I guess you gotta feel for the TSOs here
No, I don't.
Cheers, विक्रम (Have gone past my troika - 4 CCCs!) "We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself." - fat_boy, in a global warming thread :doh:
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I guess you gotta feel for the TSOs here
No, I don't.
Cheers, विक्रम (Have gone past my troika - 4 CCCs!) "We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself." - fat_boy, in a global warming thread :doh:
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
No, I don't.
Well I kinda do. It's not as if they are so highly paid that they can all protest and quit their jobs over this and live on their savings. They just do what they are told to do.
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
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TSA workers face verbal abuse from travelers[^] From the article:
In Indianapolis, for example, a TSO was punched by a passenger who didn’t like the new screening process
I guess you gotta feel for the TSOs here, I bet most of them are not particularly gladdened at the thought of having to feel up people's genitals all day long.
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
It would be funny if the TSA is the reason most people finally realize just how intrusive the U.S. government has become. Maybe people will finally start voting for less instead of for more.
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I should take one of those "male performance enhancers" just prior to a flight just to make it more interesting for them. :laugh:
The real fun is if on a long flight it doesn't go away on its own after a few hours. According to my doctor friend there is something in the airplanes medical supplies that should relieve the pressure but it needs to be directly injected at the problem site. *shudder*
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
No, I don't.
Well I kinda do. It's not as if they are so highly paid that they can all protest and quit their jobs over this and live on their savings. They just do what they are told to do.
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
No, I don't.
Well I kinda do. It's not as if they are so highly paid that they can all protest and quit their jobs over this and live on their savings. They just do what they are told to do.
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
They just do what they are told to do.
The trials at Nuremburg showed how well that defense works.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
They just do what they are told to do.
The trials at Nuremburg showed how well that defense works.
Gregory.Gadow wrote:
The trials at Nuremburg showed how well that defense works.
Hardly a good comparison, Gregory! :~
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
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They've stopped giving peanuts and now..... What happened to civilized flight? :-D
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I should take one of those "male performance enhancers" just prior to a flight just to make it more interesting for them. :laugh:
TSA: "Hey Joe, I got me here a hidden weapon of mass distruction" :~
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If they have a bathroom, it can be taken care of. :-O
Okay, first of all, ewwww. Second of all, ewwww.
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TSA workers face verbal abuse from travelers[^] From the article:
In Indianapolis, for example, a TSO was punched by a passenger who didn’t like the new screening process
I guess you gotta feel for the TSOs here, I bet most of them are not particularly gladdened at the thought of having to feel up people's genitals all day long.
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
Ok, perfect, I was just so happy thinking that I won't be flying to US in a very long time so I could avoid TSO's and now I find that, given some incredible and strange conditions, partner vacations and me delivering before schedule, I'll be onboard by January :mad: You birds of ill omen... Now I'll need to look for silver body paint and shredded tinfoil ;P Oh and the male enhancer that was suggested! This is gonna be fun!
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Okay, first of all, ewwww. Second of all, ewwww.
What, a guy can't take anti-performance medication with bathroom sink water?
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Gregory.Gadow wrote:
The trials at Nuremburg showed how well that defense works.
Hardly a good comparison, Gregory! :~
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
I would have responded with the exact same line. Why do people always complain it's not a perfect analogy? Of course there's a difference between patting somebody's genitals and gassing men, women and children; nobody claimed they are the same, otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation. If the two things were identical, there wouldn't be a need for an analogy. Why do they say it's like comparing apples and oranges? Would you rather compare an apple and... another apple?
Cheers, विक्रम (Have gone past my troika - 4 CCCs!) "We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself." - fat_boy, in a global warming thread :doh:
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Gregory.Gadow wrote:
The trials at Nuremburg showed how well that defense works.
Hardly a good comparison, Gregory! :~
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Hardly a good comparison, Gregory!
With regards to scope, you are most certainly correct. With regards to using "I'm only following orders" as an excuse to commit mass violations of people's rights, I think the comparison is valid.
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TSA workers face verbal abuse from travelers[^] From the article:
In Indianapolis, for example, a TSO was punched by a passenger who didn’t like the new screening process
I guess you gotta feel for the TSOs here, I bet most of them are not particularly gladdened at the thought of having to feel up people's genitals all day long.
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
One of the bases of body search policies is that something incriminating must be seen before the right to search is granted, as the "something incriminating" implies a status of "may not be innocent", which is legally quite a long way away from "innocent". If my employer ordered me to physically assault an innocent person, I would refuse, and he wouldn't have a leg to stand on. I can't help thinking of all the fine Germans who manned the concentration camps. "I was told to do it" is no excuse for a real man. If just one of them stood up and said "No.", the policy would vanish within days.
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Gregory.Gadow wrote:
The trials at Nuremburg showed how well that defense works.
Hardly a good comparison, Gregory! :~
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Hardly a good comparison, Gregory!
It is actually a very precise comparison. Forcing innocent people to suffer indignities or unjust treatment because "my boss told me to" is completely unacceptable behaviour -- especially if it is in the cause of "national security". It really is for things like this that all of us lost family members in the war.
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I would have responded with the exact same line. Why do people always complain it's not a perfect analogy? Of course there's a difference between patting somebody's genitals and gassing men, women and children; nobody claimed they are the same, otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation. If the two things were identical, there wouldn't be a need for an analogy. Why do they say it's like comparing apples and oranges? Would you rather compare an apple and... another apple?
Cheers, विक्रम (Have gone past my troika - 4 CCCs!) "We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself." - fat_boy, in a global warming thread :doh: