What's diff among developer and programmer?
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Any problems with steel bedframes? Metal office supply cabinets? ;)
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that's getting awful personal Roger, careful or the claws might come out.
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I make my own cheese. And that is! :-D
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Seriously, you should try making your own yoghurt. It's great because you can try out your own variations.
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Shahriar Iqbal Chowdhury wrote:
most of us have a degree in computer science
Nope.
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I'd be surprised if more than 10 % of us did. Anyhoo, a programmer is the dude who slugs in the machine code to say a shift register, or a plastics injection moulder line - a developer designs applications and may also do the programming for same. I do both, but work in house for a reasonably well sized corporation. (So if I fuck up it is pretty obvious who's fault it is) ((so I don't))
Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them along with this slice of humble pie, that comes direct from the oven of shame, set at gas mark 'egg on your face'.
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Seriously, you should try making your own yoghurt. It's great because you can try out your own variations.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
I used to back when I was first married (true). Unfortunately, at the divorce, the custardy battle that ensued was no trifle, I couldn't bear to see the look of Delight on the face of my once Angel.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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I used to back when I was first married (true). Unfortunately, at the divorce, the custardy battle that ensued was no trifle, I couldn't bear to see the look of Delight on the face of my once Angel.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
Did she take you for hundreds and thousands?
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Did she take you for hundreds and thousands?
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Oh yes! She instantly whipped them away.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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Oh yes! She instantly whipped them away.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
And there was me thinking you were a smoothie.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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And there was me thinking you were a smoothie.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
:-O Well it has been said that I do have a certain je ne sais fromage. :-\
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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that's getting awful personal Roger, careful or the claws might come out.
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It's when the claws go in that's the problem.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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As a fellow consumer of yoghurt, are you enjoying the current price war?
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Rachel's Organic (rhubarb and gooseberry are my favourites) and Yeo Valley - hmm....
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I've seen the Rachel's but not tried them. I used to buy Yeo Valley (is that the Passion Fruity one you mentioned?) but I've switched to Corners recently. Tesco and t'Co-op have been having a price war on them recently Tesco: 2 x 6-pack - £5.50 Co-op: 1 x 6-pack - £2.00 and today in Tesco 3 x 6-pack £3.29. (Buy one get two free offer.)
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Not necessarily. Chutzpah, gall and sheer bloody minded cheek could count for a lot too.
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I charge an extra 25$/hr for cheek.
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Since I'm neither, I can give you an unbiased answer. A Developer does far more than just program. What your company gives you for a title means little, but if you have to analyze the problem, determine the requirements, allocate tasks among modules or between hardware and software, create the test plan, prepare the user documentation, meet with customers to discuss the project and the requirements, then you're a developer, whether you type code or not. If you receive a set of specs or requirements, have little influence over them, but are expected to deliver a piece of software that meets them, you're a programmer. As one who has done all of these in the past, and hired many others to do the same since, I think quite a lot of people in this profession are both developers and programmers, with different roles becoming dominant depending on the tasks assigned.
Will Rogers never met me.
Hmm, a fair summary - I think! 8)
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We have often used those terms, most of us have a degree in computer science, so whats makes the difference? Is that the working domain, expertise, passion?
In the various companies I've worked for, every one seems to use terms like these in a different way. In the first I was a 'consulting engineer', but that was mostly due to the fact I was working based on a kind of consultant contract and for tax reasons I couldn't have anything like 'software' in my title. In the second company people generally started off as 'software engineers', and would become 'system engineers' and then 'senior system engineers' after a time (provided they did show progress). Next company had none of these titles; programmers were just that, plus we had a 'head programmer', who was named that because he was basically leading the (rather small) department, not because he was so great at programming (he wasn't). Oh and we had a 'system architect' (me) - a term I know suspect they've picked up in one of those manager magazines and considered it a cool buzzword. From my experience I can tell nobody at that company ever understood what a system architect did. Instead they kept asking me to doing project leader tasks :doh: (which, I have to admit, I'm not that good at) Next company had a different take - they called everyone 'programmer', because they didn't want to make anyone feel to be 'set back' compared to the others. I still felt set back compared to people working at other companies though so I suppose that concept didn't quite work... Now I work in a two-person department in a manufacturing company, developing CAM software. So my title is CAM Software developer. Oh well, I suppose that's at least accurate...
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developer and programmer both are engineers :laugh:
I'll disagree to that too, I always thought it was a bit of a cheek calling ourselves software engineers. I always felt an engineer generally need to get things right the first time, where as software developers/programmers almost always have to compile or build there code to see what silly mistakes they have made.
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Shahriar Iqbal Chowdhury wrote:
most of us have a degree in computer science
I suspect you'll find most here don't. I don't.
Shahriar Iqbal Chowdhury wrote:
whats makes the difference
Sex appeal. Raw animal magnetism. Amazing prowess in the undercracker department.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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We have often used those terms, most of us have a degree in computer science, so whats makes the difference? Is that the working domain, expertise, passion?
programmers turn specs into code, developers turn requirements into products.
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programmers turn specs into code, developers turn requirements into products.
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Shahriar Iqbal Chowdhury wrote:
most of us have a degree in computer science
I suspect you'll find most here don't. I don't.
Shahriar Iqbal Chowdhury wrote:
whats makes the difference
Sex appeal. Raw animal magnetism. Amazing prowess in the undercracker department.
I have CDO, it's OCD with the letters in the right order; just as they ruddy well should be
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Pete, just because I am curios. I do not have a degree in computer science also. I do not want to offend anyone, but my experience is, that the degree does not help much in programming. Or said in a different way, a degree in computer science helps for may be having a knowlegde about how to solve complex problems (separate into smaller ones, etc), may be a stronger knowlegde in math, but not necessarily in professional programming. If one does not start to program by himself, the study will not make a programmer (or developer? :-) ) out of him. Do you have the same experience? Holger
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In the various companies I've worked for, every one seems to use terms like these in a different way. In the first I was a 'consulting engineer', but that was mostly due to the fact I was working based on a kind of consultant contract and for tax reasons I couldn't have anything like 'software' in my title. In the second company people generally started off as 'software engineers', and would become 'system engineers' and then 'senior system engineers' after a time (provided they did show progress). Next company had none of these titles; programmers were just that, plus we had a 'head programmer', who was named that because he was basically leading the (rather small) department, not because he was so great at programming (he wasn't). Oh and we had a 'system architect' (me) - a term I know suspect they've picked up in one of those manager magazines and considered it a cool buzzword. From my experience I can tell nobody at that company ever understood what a system architect did. Instead they kept asking me to doing project leader tasks :doh: (which, I have to admit, I'm not that good at) Next company had a different take - they called everyone 'programmer', because they didn't want to make anyone feel to be 'set back' compared to the others. I still felt set back compared to people working at other companies though so I suppose that concept didn't quite work... Now I work in a two-person department in a manufacturing company, developing CAM software. So my title is CAM Software developer. Oh well, I suppose that's at least accurate...
It is all about having agreed upon definitions. Without agreement you simply can't compare things. Which is exactly what most corporations want. If they can take a lowly "code examiner" (mythical beast) and charge more for his services by simply renaming him "senior software analysist" then that is just good business and the buyer should beware (as always). Professional organizations exist for just this reason. You have the ACE (auto society of excellence) certs to do what? I have several and can tell you it does not begin to make that person a good auto mechanic. My former boss did charge the customers extra for my services though. He who controls the lexicon controls the thinking (and the amount of money charged) bill SOF imperative #2 Recognize political implications