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  • E Emrak123

    Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!

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    • E Emrak123

      Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!

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      Wayne Gaylard
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      A language is a system of symbols and rules used for communicating. Therefore you could imply that binary is a language, in that it has symbols (albeit only 2), and it has rules for combining these symbols into a structure that can be interpreted by another person without the originator being present.

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      • E Emrak123

        Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!

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        No. Language is defined as: "Communication of thoughts and feelings through a system of arbitrary signals, such as voice sounds, gestures, or written symbols" http://www.thefreedictionary.com/language[^] Binary is the system of arbitrary symbols which carry language, in the same way as the Alphabet does for Written English, and Phonemes do for spoken English.

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          Mladen Jankovic
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            That's like saying the alphabet is a language. Binary can provide the building blocks of a language, but I do not see how it can be a language itself.

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            Exactly, it's an alphabet.

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            • E Emrak123

              Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!

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              David1987
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              Well yes I'd say it is[^], so there actually are teams of binary programmers out there :) Ok not many and it's a theoretical busyness.. And incidentally, it does have a grammar: any non-empty string containing only the characters 0 or 1.

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              • E Emrak123

                Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!

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                Michael Schubert
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                Tell your boss to fire the second camp.

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                • E Emrak123

                  Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!

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                  R Giskard Reventlov
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                  No, at least not in the commonly held notion of what a language is. It could be construed to be an alphabet, of sorts, by which you can build meaning by combining the characters to produce 'words' that convey a meaning that is more than the sum of the parts. Another test might be that language is a spoken medium and it would be pretty difficult to speak binary in that you could voice a string of zeroes and ones with appropriate breaks or stresses whereas with a 'normal' language the characters combine to create meaning that can be articulated vocally in a meaningful way with more natural or learnt breaks and stresses. I suppose if you could find someone else that spoke binary you would have a language but it would, to our ears, sound very odd and take a long time to say almost nothing. :-)

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                  • E Emrak123

                    Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!

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                    • E Emrak123

                      Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!

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                      No, binary is no more a language than decimal.

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                      • E Emrak123

                        Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!

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                        • E Emrak123

                          Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!

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                          Dan Neely
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                          The second camp needs worked over with a cluebat and explained the difference between 'binary' and 'machine language'. If they're clear on that but still think it's a language they probably need pink slips. :doh:

                          3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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                          • E Emrak123

                            Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!

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                            Luc Pattyn
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                            you are right, and so are they. try and define language. 1. everything is a language, as it has vocabulary, has or could have syntax (rules about what is allowed and isn't allowed), has or could have semantics (giving meaning to the linguistic building blocks). 2. there are no languages, it is impossible to strictly define a language; all practical languages are ambiguous to some degree; a lot of languages can not even be parsed correctly all the time. if you find time to discuss such things at work, it tells me there are too many of you at your job... now go back to work and write some more assembly instructions. :) PS: is DNA a language?

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                            • E Emrak123

                              Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!

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                              MecAlex
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                              Definitely not a language. It is a type of data. Type of encoding data with electrical impulse

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                              • L Luc Pattyn

                                you are right, and so are they. try and define language. 1. everything is a language, as it has vocabulary, has or could have syntax (rules about what is allowed and isn't allowed), has or could have semantics (giving meaning to the linguistic building blocks). 2. there are no languages, it is impossible to strictly define a language; all practical languages are ambiguous to some degree; a lot of languages can not even be parsed correctly all the time. if you find time to discuss such things at work, it tells me there are too many of you at your job... now go back to work and write some more assembly instructions. :) PS: is DNA a language?

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                                Luc Pattyn wrote:

                                everything is a language

                                When I fart very carefully, I can almost pick out de-stinked words.

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                                  Rob Philpott
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                                  Not sure who's the biggest nerd - you for writing that or me for working it out.

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                                    Luc Pattyn wrote:

                                    everything is a language

                                    When I fart very carefully, I can almost pick out de-stinked words.

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                                    Luc Pattyn
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                                    there probably are too many dialects for your language to be really useful. :)

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                                    • E Emrak123

                                      Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!

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                                      Henry Minute
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                                      Definitely a language. Definitely not a programming language.

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                                      • E Emrak123

                                        Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!

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                                        Is it machine language?

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                                        • E Emrak123

                                          Help us settle a programmatic civil war here at my job... The first camp says "binary is NOT any kind of language". The second camp says "binary IS a kind of language". Neither camp is implying that there are teams of binary programmers out there or anything, there's just a debate on what constitutes a "language". What say you? Is binary a language? Thanks!

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                                          Emrak123 wrote:

                                          Is binary a language?

                                          You can start the logical reasoning with a very simple question. Define first what is a language. Then check if binary meets the definition of language. While this is the rudimentary answer, some times there are gray areas. What if it meets many of the definitions, but lacks some? We all know that All programming languages' output are eventually converted to binary. So, some arbitrary valid program may have its binary representation as [ONLY for Presentation, not valid code] 10011101000101011110111110101010101010101010101010100 00101010010101010101010101010101010100101010101010101 01010010101000101010111101010001010100010100010100010 10010100010101010001010001010001010001011111110100111 Now, for all practical purpose anyone could hand pick those exact binaries and construct it exactly and feed it to the computer and the result will be exactly the same [There are many details omitted from this process], So would that make binary a language? Absolutely not.

                                          Yusuf May I help you?

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