Help fix performance problems in VS
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This sounds like an interesting VS plugin: VS PerfWatson[^]. The plugin detects when Visual Studio hangs. When it hangs, it sends the hung stack trace to MS. MS spends less time investigating VS performance problems and more time fixing them[^]. :cool:
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Judah HimangoBah... Looks nice, but my office still uses XP, and that requires Vista/7.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
This sounds like an interesting VS plugin: VS PerfWatson[^]. The plugin detects when Visual Studio hangs. When it hangs, it sends the hung stack trace to MS. MS spends less time investigating VS performance problems and more time fixing them[^]. :cool:
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Judah HimangoJudah Himango wrote:
MS spends less time investigating VS performance problems
You mean performance problems in VS 2010 are not obvious enough? It's startup time is almost same as that of Eclipse.
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Judah Himango wrote:
MS spends less time investigating VS performance problems
You mean performance problems in VS 2010 are not obvious enough? It's startup time is almost same as that of Eclipse.
Surely that's not the only performance problem? ;)
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Judah Himangomodified on Monday, May 9, 2011 2:00 PM
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Surely that's not the only performance problem? ;)
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Judah Himangomodified on Monday, May 9, 2011 2:00 PM
I still don't know, VS2010 is still loading!!
Watched code never compiles.
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I still don't know, VS2010 is still loading!!
Watched code never compiles.
This community is so damn cynical! ;P
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Judah Himango -
Bah... Looks nice, but my office still uses XP, and that requires Vista/7.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
still uses XP
Wow. 11 year old OS. Yikes.
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Judah Himango -
This sounds like an interesting VS plugin: VS PerfWatson[^]. The plugin detects when Visual Studio hangs. When it hangs, it sends the hung stack trace to MS. MS spends less time investigating VS performance problems and more time fixing them[^]. :cool:
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Judah HimangoJudah Himango wrote:
When it hangs, it sends the hung stack trace to MS. MS spends less time investigating VS performance problems and more time fixing ignoring them
You spelled a word wrong. Don't worry, I fixed it...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
This community is so damn cynical! ;P
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Judah HimangoActually, we're realists...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
This sounds like an interesting VS plugin: VS PerfWatson[^]. The plugin detects when Visual Studio hangs. When it hangs, it sends the hung stack trace to MS. MS spends less time investigating VS performance problems and more time fixing them[^]. :cool:
Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon
Judah HimangoFrom the link: If VS goes unresponsive for more than 2 seconds, Perf Watson grabs a stack frame. That's the problem. When I use it, VS 2010 rarely goes unresponsive for 2 seconds, it just feels sluggish. Usability tests have proven over and over that if something takes more than 100 ms, users notice it's not instantaneous. By 300 ms, it becomes obvious. By 1 second it becomes measurably disruptive. Microsoft has an excellent usability department, so why do so many divisions and teams at Microsoft ignore them? (Rhetorical question--solving customer problems takes a back seat to using the latest "in" technology.)
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From the link: If VS goes unresponsive for more than 2 seconds, Perf Watson grabs a stack frame. That's the problem. When I use it, VS 2010 rarely goes unresponsive for 2 seconds, it just feels sluggish. Usability tests have proven over and over that if something takes more than 100 ms, users notice it's not instantaneous. By 300 ms, it becomes obvious. By 1 second it becomes measurably disruptive. Microsoft has an excellent usability department, so why do so many divisions and teams at Microsoft ignore them? (Rhetorical question--solving customer problems takes a back seat to using the latest "in" technology.)
Yep, there are sluggish parts. Still, I'm happy if they fix some of the hangs. Step in the right direction.
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Judah Himango -
From the link: If VS goes unresponsive for more than 2 seconds, Perf Watson grabs a stack frame. That's the problem. When I use it, VS 2010 rarely goes unresponsive for 2 seconds, it just feels sluggish. Usability tests have proven over and over that if something takes more than 100 ms, users notice it's not instantaneous. By 300 ms, it becomes obvious. By 1 second it becomes measurably disruptive. Microsoft has an excellent usability department, so why do so many divisions and teams at Microsoft ignore them? (Rhetorical question--solving customer problems takes a back seat to using the latest "in" technology.)
Have you noticed the scrolling lag? In a long file, scrolling lags for about a 1/4 second and then picks up again every second or two.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Actually, we're realists...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Actually, I think too many people here are crotchety, sarcastic whiners who complain about everything, do little or nothing to improve things, and couldn't do a better job themselves building said [product/tech] if they tried. Still, that doesn't stop them from whining.
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Judah Himango -
Actually, I think too many people here are crotchety, sarcastic whiners who complain about everything, do little or nothing to improve things, and couldn't do a better job themselves building said [product/tech] if they tried. Still, that doesn't stop them from whining.
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Judah HimangoHow do you expect us to act when after reporting bugs to Microsoft, we're told they're not going to fix the problem. That's happened to me twice - once with the syntax highlighting issues in VS2010, and another time regarding non-client-hit testing for a windows bug that they freely admitted was an actual bug. Whinging? Nope - I think it's more like spitting into the wind.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Have you noticed the scrolling lag? In a long file, scrolling lags for about a 1/4 second and then picks up again every second or two.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997I noticed so much lag everywhere that I finally just uninstalled it and continued with VS 2008.
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How do you expect us to act when after reporting bugs to Microsoft, we're told they're not going to fix the problem. That's happened to me twice - once with the syntax highlighting issues in VS2010, and another time regarding non-client-hit testing for a windows bug that they freely admitted was an actual bug. Whinging? Nope - I think it's more like spitting into the wind.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Yep, happened to me several times. In fact, there's one case on MS Connect that I filed in 2002, and they still haven't resolved it. (keeps getting, "considered for a future version"). It sucks. IT's like I tell my kids. Complain about it once, OK. Complain about it for weeks on end, not OK. Sometimes things can't be fixed. Sad fact of life. Get over it. Move on. Stop complaining.
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Judah Himango -
I noticed so much lag everywhere that I finally just uninstalled it and continued with VS 2008.
Funny, because VS 2008 had a HUGE problem with big files. Scrolling would come to a halt. Improvements were made in VS 2010[^]. I think if God gave you all an IDE, you'd find something to bitch about it and yearn for "the good ol' days" of Windows 3.1 Edit.exe :thumbsdown:
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Judah Himango -
How do you expect us to act when after reporting bugs to Microsoft, we're told they're not going to fix the problem. That's happened to me twice - once with the syntax highlighting issues in VS2010, and another time regarding non-client-hit testing for a windows bug that they freely admitted was an actual bug. Whinging? Nope - I think it's more like spitting into the wind.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
How do you expect us to act
Try to improve the situation. This thread is about a VS plugin that can improve the situation. Instead of bitching, and joking about all the places MS sucks, do something about it. This VS plugin is a small step in the right direction. Install it. Let it send hangs to MS. VS improves, and there's just a little less bitching to be done in the world. Win.
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Judah Himango -
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
How do you expect us to act
Try to improve the situation. This thread is about a VS plugin that can improve the situation. Instead of bitching, and joking about all the places MS sucks, do something about it. This VS plugin is a small step in the right direction. Install it. Let it send hangs to MS. VS improves, and there's just a little less bitching to be done in the world. Win.
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Judah HimangoJudah Himango wrote:
Let it send hangs to MS. VS improves
I think you're assuming a bit too much, there.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Funny, because VS 2008 had a HUGE problem with big files. Scrolling would come to a halt. Improvements were made in VS 2010[^]. I think if God gave you all an IDE, you'd find something to bitch about it and yearn for "the good ol' days" of Windows 3.1 Edit.exe :thumbsdown:
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Judah HimangoGod doesn't exist, so we shouldn't expect anything from him any time soon. Edlin has a subtle syntax highlighting bug in it. Epic fail.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
Funny, because VS 2008 had a HUGE problem with big files. Scrolling would come to a halt. Improvements were made in VS 2010[^]. I think if God gave you all an IDE, you'd find something to bitch about it and yearn for "the good ol' days" of Windows 3.1 Edit.exe :thumbsdown:
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Judah HimangoI don't edit huge files. Lots of very small ones. That's what makes VS 2010 so pathetic. The article claims VS 2010 text editor is "blazing fast." It isn't. It's barely slow enough that it gives you a nagging feeling that it just isn't right. Now that I think about it, it reminds me of Word for DOS.
Judah Himango wrote:
I think if God gave you all an IDE, you'd find something to bitch about it and yearn for "the good ol' days" of Windows 3.1 Edit.exe :thumbsdown:
I hate this bullshit response. When I pay $800+ for a product, I expect it to be damn good, not barely acceptable for the free version. I would be deeply embarassed to ship, let alone sell, a product this flawed. That tells you everyhing you need to know about the mindset of the developer tools management at Microsoft.
